Family Values in the Bible.
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Family Values in the Bible.
- Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes.--19:18
- Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father -- 19:32
- And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose -- 19:33
- Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father -- 19:34
- And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose -- 19:35
- Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. -- 19:36
- And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering. -- 22:2
- And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- 22:10
- And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes. -- 30:15
- Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night. -- 30:16
Exodus
- If thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.--4:23
- For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--12:12
- At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--12:29
- The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast.--13:15
- He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.--21:15
- And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.--22:24
- Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.--32:27
Leviticus
- For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.--20:9
- And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death.--20:12
- If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they.--20:14
- And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.--21:9
- If thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee.--25:39
- Of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families ... and they shall be your possession.--25:45
- I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.--26:16
- I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children.--26:22
- And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.--26:29
Numbers
- And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.--31:15-19
Deuteronomy
- And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.--2:34
- And we utterly destroyed them, ... utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.--3:6
- I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.--5:9
- And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself.--20:13-14
- And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her .... Thou shalt go in unto her.--21:11-13
- If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated ....--21:15
- If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ....--22:13
- I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid. Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city.--22:14-15
- These are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.--22:18-21
- But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.--22:20-21
- If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die.--22:22
- If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.--22:23-24
- A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation. -- 23:2
- When two men strive together on with another, and the wife of the one ... putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.--25:11-12
- Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body.--28:18
- Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her.--28:30
- Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long.--28:32
- Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.--28:41
- And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.--28:53
- So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat.--28:55
- The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, and toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them.--28:56-57
- The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.--32:25
Joshua
- And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.--6:21
Judges
- Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you.--19:24
- But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning.--19:25
1 Samuel
- And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies.--18:25
- Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.--18:27
2 Samuel
- Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.--12:11
- Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.... And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.--12:14-15
- And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.--13:11
- Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house .... So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.--16:21-22
- Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose.--21:6
1 Kings
- And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.--11:3
- He laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn, and set up the gates thereof in his youngest son Segub, according to the word of the LORD.--16:34
- Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.--21:29
2 Kings
- As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.--2:23-24
- The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever.--5:27
- This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him--6:28-29
- They took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.--10:7
- Therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.--15:16
2 Chronicles
- Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods. And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out.--21:14
Esther
- Then said Esther, If it please the king ... let Haman's ten sons be hanged upon the gallows. And the king commanded it so to be done ... and they hanged Haman's ten sons--9:13
Psalms
- Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.--109:10
- Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.--137:9
- To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever.--136:10
Proverbs
- He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.--13:24
- Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.--22:15
- Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.--23:13-14
- The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.--30:17
Isaiah
- Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.--13:16
- Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.--13:18
- Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.--14:21
Jeremiah
- Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will punish them: the young men shall die by the sword; their sons and their daughters shall die by famine.--11:22
- Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land ... with drunkenness. And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.--13:13-14
- And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.--14:16
- Deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.--18:21
- And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.--19:9
- With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid.--51:22
Lamentations
- Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children?--2:20
- The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.--2:21
- The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat.--4:10
Ezekiel
- The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers.--5:10
- Let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.--9:5-6
- And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.--23:25
- And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters.--23:47
- And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD.--26:6
- And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.--38:21
Hosea
- I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.--2:4
- Therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.--4:13
- Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.--9:14
- Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.--9:16
- Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.--13:16
Amos
- A man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name.--2:7
Zechariah
- And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.--13:3
Matthew
- For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. -- 10:35-36
- He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. -- 10:37
- God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.--15:4
Mark
- For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.--7:10
Luke
- If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.--14:26
Revelation
- I will kill her children with death.--2:23
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So hang on. God created everything, except good and evil which always existed. Or are you saying they are human concepts? Well if they are human concepts why follow religious morality and not the infinitely better utilitarian/ consequentialist morality? Now you seem to be saying that morality does not come from God? Which contradicts the general position. It seems that you are changing your stance depending on the questions being asked. So God is above good and evil? I mean there are some things God does in the OT that are damn right dispicable! Genocide, endorsement of rape, megalomaniacal mind games. You cannot deny this! You say "it was taken out of context", would you care to tell me what the correct context is? If God is above good and evil, then why does he punish sin? Or is it just plain and simple vengeance for doing things that he doesn't like?
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Two of the first things that are done when attempting to indoctrinate people is to deprive them of sleep and protein.
There are sources which substantiate this. Google lack sleep protein cult and you'll find quite a few.
Here's a few if you don't want to Google:
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/identifying-a-cult
http://www.rickross.com/reference/singer/singer7.html
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/fundie_cults/index.htm
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That's fairly interesting. Yup, deprive yourself of nutrients, let your brain disintergrate and you may just find God.
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Thats a good point, Susan. Let me refraise my comment by, in my Christian walk, the best why I have come through God is through prayer and fasting.
Actually, fasting is quite healthy for you. It's just starving thats the problem. When you fast, your body eats away at all the excess fat and stored up chemicals in your body. It's a great way to clean your body of all the nasty toxins that we eat on a daily basis in our food. Your body doesn't really start eating away at your muscle and protien untill after around 30 days... this is what starving is. Thats why you can go up to three weeks without food because you body spends all of it's time getting ride of all the nasty crap in your body. Right now, I am speaking in terms of phsyical health; for many fasting is quite benifical. It's not for everyone but I have found that it is really helped cure me of alot of my physical problems in the past.
Thats just me though. Peace
And Poland.
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Where does it mention Poland? Wasn't Europe just a place on the periphery of consciousness for the Jews of the time? Welcome Shikko.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_forgot_Poland
I'll stop with the obscure, fleeting pop culture references now. 8^)
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Ah, I guess it didn't spread across the Atlantic. I'm not that well acquainted with the finer points of yank culture.
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Good and evil are not things, they are concepts.
I deny that utilitarian/consequentilist morality is greater then God's morality. God's morality is infinitely better then anyone other morality.
God does not endorse rape, murder, or mind games. Those verses were taken out of context, because God was not doing the actions, people were. God forgives anyone who is scincerly sorry that they commited an evil act.
You don't believe God exsists, therefore you believe God did not create evil. Evil therefore exists without God having made it. So why does evil exsist? Why would brain cells evolve to allow you to commit evil acts. Its only a matter of time before we humans destroy earth(of course I believe God will stop us from doing that). what is the definition of Evil...and who gets to decide on that definition.
Sorry for the derail but I have to ask this of this condescending asshat.
Where did you get the idea that emotions are irrational? Out of control emotions I can grant you but all of them, no.
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The intellectual comeback of your statement is staggering... good job!
Damn right I did a good job fork over the cookie ho3.
LOL... Chocolate chip or Peanut butter?
Are not concepts things? Concepts are constructs of consciousness, they start out in minds. Concepts do need creators whether you say the creator of a given concept is a magic sky-daddy or some bloke in the street, they do not float around in the air invisibly waiting for somebody to suddenly bump into them and define them.
Of course it isn't. If I don't suddenly get up and try and raise a thousand pounds for starving people right now I'm not doing and evil act or a good act. There are evil acts, whatever you may define to be evil. If I were to go out and kill someone that wouldn't just be the absense of a good act that would be the presence of an evil act. Also, it is humans who define good and evil, not God, because God is a figment of your collective imaginations.
Care to argue with an ethicist?
You cannot accept the literal truth of the bible and say that those lines are taken out of context! You could accept it metaphorically in some twisted way turning it to sound good. The point is if you actually read the thing it is evident that the bible does endorse rape, murder, genocide and does play mind games! Let me see, the Sodom story...
Ok, so two angels/ strangers (it translates as both) go down to visit this guy's house, a guy who is an upstanding moral person, one of God's favourites. Anyway so the village people, who are of course not very nice turn up and say "let us know (as in fuck) these angels/strangers" and the man, refusing this because well, the strangers/angels are male, offers them his wife, who they gang-rape continuously to the night until the next morning she crawls up to her husband's doorstep, all bloody and covered in semen and probably swimming with STDs and dies. Of course the man, who is a favourite of God isn't punished, the villagers are as is the wife are punished. It is a glorification of misogyny and while it serves as a message against gang-rape, does not punish the guy who offered his wife up to the party.
That's a big cop-out! So you believe in a vengeful God? Why would an omni-benevolent God be vengeful? It just seems a bit immature and petty really. I'm sure you already have a concept of Evil. Your 10 commandments tell you things that God defines as evil.
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Involuntary? I'm not sure if you've ever been drunk before, but for Lot not to have noticed his own daughters taking turns with him in the sack, he would have had to have been in a frickin' coma... I've been so drunk that all I could do is lay in the floor and watch the world spin over my head, but I'd know if ANYONE was playing with my penis...
But it's funny that you didn't say anything about the RAMPANT INCEST that HAD to have happened if we're all born of Adam and Eve.
I'm not talking about getting daddy drunk and having your way with him here, we're talking about having children and then letting those children grow up, marry and have more incestious children who in turn grow up and repeat the cycle.
It's funny that you've no comment on the RAMPANT INCEST that is necessary in the "Global Flood" story... Again, in order for six couples to repopulate the Earth, there would have to have been a whole lot of incest...
Good, so can you help us get the rest of your brothers in christ to stop attacking gays as an abomination? If Jesus really did negate Levitical Law and replaced it with "love everyone," than a I have a little more respect for this mythical character...
Holy Loopholes! There are loopholes in God's law?
Okay, how about Deut. 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they dicipline him... Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."
How about II Kings 23 and 24?
There are countless other passages that one could quote to you from the word of god in which the context is simple: God says to kill children. Hell, god himself sends death apon all the first born children of egypt after he makes sure Moses won't get the answer he wants...
I can't wait!
Who needs God when you have Chopin?