I'm not trying too hard to not believe in god. 

In fact, if your god exists, he made it easy. 

While I admire your ability to predict what I'm going to post, I must disagree with you. Your militant approach to atheism only leads me to conclude that my faith is slightly more "believable" than your empty worldview. BTW, Do accept abiogenesis with very little evidence". I would conclude that my faith is more rational than the faith that requires you to believe certain scientific hypothsis. BTW, ?you should really consider debating someone else besides WOTM. Someone that would rip you a new one, like Dembski, Johnson, Behe, Meyers or Zacharias

LOL!!!! Another moron with about a second grade understanding of science.

Weak trolling/10.

Come on, my two year old nephew can do better than that.

Are you going to reply to me?

If Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny were promising something as serious as eternal life, I have NO doubt that we WOULD fight over them.

We created gods because we're afraid of what we cannot comprehend.

We are sad, selfish, short-lived creatures and nothing terrifies us more than no longer existing.

So we create a god- a fairy tale- and tell ourselves that we won't REALLY die, because we go elsewhere. 

Would you worship god if heaven didn't exist? 

I like that guy on the stick in your avatar.

He's funny when he cries because he's 'supposed' to be god. Funny stuff; watch this video it is about the ten commandments movie.

I can invent anything I like, regardless of a basis in reality.

I think that theres a blue jello flavoured lamp thats 15 3/4 stories tall floating around outside of space and time. It grants wishes, gives out free beer and also acts as a hat rack.

See? No basis in reality, just made it up, and made it do whatever I wanted it to. 

The more I read on this site, the more I am convinced that atheists are not fighting against thesim, but rather, they are fighting their conscience in hopes that their refusal to accept God will surpress the responsibility that one bares when they accept God and his expectations of our lives here on earth.

I wouldn't call it refusal.  I can't refuse to accept something if I do not even know whether it exists or not. 

If Santa and the Easter bunny were trying to pass laws that affect me based on their religious beliefs, I'd probably fight them too.  But since no one is running around trying to ban stem cell research in the name of Santa Claus, I'm not going to get too hyped up about it.

What, exactly is a 'god attribute'?

I'm willing to go with 'shit this theist just made up.' 

The concept of a god comes from all of the things that we don't understand.

We used to have gods for thunder, rain, wind, death, hunting, marriage, childbirth, mischief...I could go on like this.

We took any idea that scared or confused us, took anything that was beyond out control and turned it into an intangible god.

As science began to explain such occurances, we have abandoned most of these gods.

The only thing your god does nowadays is shield you from the truth of death.

Admit that the purpose of god belief is to live forever in heaven. 

We have a God nowadays that with his combined attributes (rain, thunder, sun...ect....) is the first cause, the creator of all things. Who by his nature, and who created us in his own image, has given us the ability to study his creation. By understanding his works, we gain knowlegde of his nature. We are the only planet with a perfect view of an eclipse. Our planet is finley tuned to support life. (see Privliged Planet, and read rare earth). We don't believe in God because we fear death. We believe in God because he gave us life. BTW, if nothing happens when I die, then what id there to fear?

We fear (if we do at all) the end of all our experiences and leaving our loved ones without us. What actual evidence do you have for the existance of a god?  Saying that the earth is "finely tuned" to support life is looking at things the wrong way - like pointing out there just happens to be a river near every major city. If the planet couldn't support life we wouldn't be here.

We have scientific explainations for all the things I listed. We  no longer need a god to control rain, so we abandoned him. Creation is unproven, thanks.

Unfounded assumption.

Unfounded assumption. 

Incorrect. We have a perfect view of an eclipse that involves OUR moon. Now if the eclipse involves another planets moon, I'd say our view sucks. 

Refuted hundreds of times, logical fallacies. 

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/08/the_privileged.html 

You're begging the question and making wild assumptions.

Why do we fear death if nothing happens after we die? What a stupid question; don't you like living?

WHAT DOES CHRISTIANITY PROMISE THE BELIEVER!?!

IT PROMISES YOU ETERNAL LIFE. 

*Sigh*. I really can't be bothered. There've been too many nutters of late.

He's not here to debate or discuss guys, he's here to jerk his moral and holier-than-thou load all over us 'lowly, unsaved atheists'.

Intelligent design is a lie and a fallacy.

There is no proof for it whatsoever and the theory of evolution refutes the need for a designer. 

Can you read? He said it refutes the NEED for a designer, not negates it. ID is an absurd pseudoscience, and there is nothing that actually counts as evidence for any god.

Wow, take a logic course.

It doesn't matter what Ken Miller says. That's an appeal to authority and a logical fallacy.

Because evolution happens on its own, it doesn't NEED a designer.

Reading comprehension for the win. 

You seem to intentionally forget 1st cause. Evolution happens on a micro level, change within a species, but thats it. I brought up Ken miller because you say that evolution removes any need for a designer, I simply brought up one person who is qualified to disagree. Get a life, dude. I love how all atheists have the same capacity for debate. They talk about logic and reading comnprehension, but fail to use any of it thereselves. Then they avoid the post all together.....LMAO

We believe in the SAME God as Muslims. I have a relationship with several. We have a few that attend our church for meetings discussing relations between the two. I thikn you may be reffering to RADICAL Muslims, because most of them that I know, are peaceful and willing to accept everyone. Also, FYI, It was the Angel Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad, the same angel that appeared to Mary.

 Let's hope as we all grow up (the teens and I) we hold on to our logic and common sense.

Your funny. You think atheists are inmature people out to coorupt youth? Humn, glad I am not Socrates in Plato's Apollogy. I suppose I should drink that hemlock to ease your mind? He coorupted youth in that play too. Would that make you happy if I met the same fate?Who knows how many children you could save from atheism if I was dead.

Even if we took the low numbers of atheists and limited it to John Stocil's quote on the ABC report he did and assumed there were only 6% or 18,000,000 atheists, you think they are all angst ridden lost teenagers?

I guess my WW2 atheist vet friend who died last year was really a teen I coorupted? He was an atheist in 1942 and died an atheist last year. Care to tell me who coorupted him?

Must be us because we are delusional even though we dont go around claiming that God put on a Barry White Album and told Marry he was in the mood. We dont claim that surviving rigor mortis is possible after 3 days. But what the hell would evil barbaquing kitten eaters like us know? Our only job is to spread cooties and make the world magicaly yucky because a man in a Red Leotard holding a pitchfork makes us do it.

Ok, you got us. We just want to rock the boat for no other reason but to piss you off, how did you guess?

QUICK EVERYONE HIDE! Oops, I forgot, god can watch us, even when we take a dump. DAMN!

Poor poor theist, cant stand the idea that someone might not be passive when someone else trys to sell them a myth.

It would be so horrible if young people thought for themselves wouldnt it. It is so nice that Islamic chidren indocrinated at such a young age buy Allah merely because someone sold it to them. But somehow your Jesus gets a pass and no one should dare question it.

I guess you hate Thomas Jefferson too.

"Question with boldness even the existance of God, for if there be one, surely he would pay more homage to reason than to that of blindfolded fear" DAMN YOU JEFFERSON!

"I distrust what god believers say what god wants because it usually coincieds with their desires" Susan B. Anthony.

Fuck those assholes! How dare they question Jesus beleivers! 

STOP THE PRESSES, THE JIG IS UP! THINKING IS NOT ALLOWED UNLESS YOU LET JESUS DO YOUR THINKING FOR YOU! YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

Oh wait, I have brain. Nevermind.......carry on folks. Have fun with the chewtoy. 

WOW! you said a whole lot of nothing! sorry about your ww2 friend. I never said ALL atheists are teens, did I. Sapient and his goons are targeting teens, you want them to think for themselves but you don'[t want them to believe in God either? this makes sense to you. Also, you little quotes are a little something you people call "appeal to authority" if we can't do it, neither can you.

Did anyone here say theists didnt have the right to target youth? Anyone? Beuler........Beuler.......Anyone?

Hello McFly!

What are you afraid of compitition? Afraid logic will expose the man behind the curtain and someday humans wont need santa for adults? Pitty, that would take away the power scam religion sells wouldnt it? You'd have no one to boss around would you?

You accused us of targeting teens. So? You think it is ok for youth to be indocrinated to the point of having tunnel vision? If you dont, then shouldnt they be exposed to even thoughts and ideas of every position?

You know nothing about the people here or who they are are what they want for humanity. You are simply frightened that someone doesnt believe what you do.

We are not going to create a legion of orgy loving debachery loving Rebel teens. We'd merely like to see people not buy everything that comes down the pike merely because it is popular.

Religion on the other hand teaches to obey. That sets kids up to never question, which can and has led to worship of tyrants like Hitler and theocracies like Iran.

No one here, especially the parents here, are going to refuse to teach their children about religion. And I would say with the utmost confidence that most here, and I cant speak for all, certainly would not disown their child if they decided for themselves that they did believe in some sort of deity.

So please spare us the blanket Weekly World News stereotype that somehow the world is going to be more evil if atheists have more club members than theists someday.

 You just cant stand the thought of your cheerleading club not being the world's alpha male. But we certainly are not going to let you get away with insulting us with the stupid and pathetic charge that targeting teens is a bad thing.

You think individuality is bad? You think self examination is bad? You think testing claims is bad?