Lying implies the one lying knows the truth and is intentionally avoiding it.  You know that I've promised not to lie, so if I were to say that it is an original work, it's likely that i was just ignorant of that fact.  I wouldn't claim it though due to many reasons and even how it was compiled.  i would argue that most books in the Bible are original writings, though we don't have the original copies which leaves room for additions and changes.  Also, just because something is original doesn't suggest that nothing could be taken from other sources.  citation wasn't the law back then.  

The Bible authors wrote from what they knew... that includes personal experience and knowledge on top of the events that they are trying to cover.   In order to get the point across, many times it's necessary to reference to common knowledge. 

Answering the Dumb Clavinist Claims  They Think up Often

The law is done away with in Christ.

 

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Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

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Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

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You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

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For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.

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For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

 ⁴ Such confidence we have through Christ before God. ⁵ Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. ⁶ He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

 

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Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

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will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

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If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

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For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.

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And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

 ¹² Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. ¹³ We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. ¹⁴ But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. ¹⁵ Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. ¹⁶ But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. ¹⁷ Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. ¹⁸ And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate^[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Galatians 3

Faith or Works of the Law

 

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You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

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I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

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Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

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Have you experienced

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so much in vain—if it really was in vain?

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So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

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So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

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 ⁷ Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. ⁸ Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”^{[d] 9} So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

 ¹⁰ For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”^{[e] 11} Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”^{[f] 12} The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”^{[g] 13} Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”^{[h] 14} He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The Law and the Promise

 

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Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.

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The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”

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meaning one person, who is Christ.

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What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

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For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

 ¹⁹ Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. ²⁰ A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

 ²¹ Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. ²² But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Children of God

 

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Before the coming of this faith,

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we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.

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So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

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Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 ²⁶ So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, ²⁷ for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. ²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ²⁹ If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

Don't be shocked Johnny boy. TG just knows your holy book better than you. When atheists and Christians meet that is not a shocking occurrence.

Hi TG,

Well, Christ did not replace the law my heretical friend, He fulfilled the law. Was that an intentional heresy? And while it is true that Christians today don't know their Bible, and atheists know more then they, that is hardly the case in my situation (LOL).

Nobody disagrees that Christ fulfilled the law. Were we discussing this? But Christ did not do away with the law, since not a small portion of the law will ever perish.

Christians today apply the moral law not for are salvation, but from our salavation. It was reversed in the Old Testament. But I would enjoy discussing the Trinity with you sometime, as to why you becamse so heretical over it.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

We no longer follow it. Not real Christians or atheists. Those who do might as well castrate themselves for they are severed from Christ and have fallen from grace. Galatians by the way.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Nope we are justified through our faith through his grace ( ya'll like Luther like to drop that through grace stuff) not by alteration of the meaning of the text by Calvin that one could boast. For if one has faith and another works yadah yadah.  It is a basphemy to alter the meaning of text for your own doctrine. But then welcome to protestantism.  But then I have no idea which post you are referring to unless it has to do with the Spirit Covenant replaces  the law covenant according to Paul. Certainly not according to original Christianity which maintained the law. Your theology sucks in the sense that you try to maintain Paul's Helenistic Mystery cult bulls-geschichte while reaching back to the original laws of Jesus and his real followers.  That is why reformed is not original since tt means and claims that it is puting Christianity into an improved condition or beneficial change which was arrogant, cocky and wrong.  You just made a bunch of superstitions very legalistic without getting back to the original teachings of Christ and his followers. Pretty much all of the NT writings dstroyed the original form of the Jesus movement ( the Way).

 

Russia and China are not and have not in recent history ever been atheist states. They are states that replaced god with state. Their nations are their gods, except in China, where religion abounds regardless of what the leaders impose.

Atheism can't be pointed at for any murders or wars that I've ever heard of or studied.

And, the vast majority of deaths in most major wars in recorded history are directly or partially attributable to theism. Since theism seeks absolute power, theists are constantly attempting to kill to gain it. And kill to keep it. And kill to take it from someone else.

I like how people can pretend the "10 commandments" could not possibly have been made by men. I mean there is just no way people could have figured out that killing lying cheating etc are bad for a cohesive society.

So the command by God to kill all the Canaanites including the women, children and babies was a foreshadow of Christ. Wow Jesus Love You to Death or more intensely then.  Keep him out of my world.

Christology rests upon a mistake. This is a simple statement that could be easily understood by much of the various Christian denominations. As so it means the invalidity of the Christian Faith since it rests upon its own Christology.

Christology or how and why Jesus saves is based upon the idea that the Genesis account of Creation is real. However, much of Christendom apart from conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists knows how the universe began and that evolution is factual. They also affirm that the Genesis account of the Creation and Adam and Eve are mythological. It is unlikely for example that plants were created a day before the sun, moon and stars as in presented in Genesis. Also there is plenty of fossil and genetic evidence that humankind has been about hundreds of thousands of years.

Since the Creation and the Fall are mythological and not literal accounts there is no basis to assume there is original sin. Christology is based upon original sin. The death of Jesus upon the cross is a sacrifice (propitiation) for that sin. Paul argues it, “As in Adam all have sinned and died so in Christ all are made alive.” Since there was no Adam, Eve, Eden, or Fall then there is no basis for a need of salvation. Jesus did not die for your sins. He died because of his teachings.

The basis of information for the proposition that Jesus is the Christ is suspect. Unlike the mythicist's view of a mythological origins we find a movement from human to legendary. The intentional re-workings of the Gospels by their authors are responses to historical events. The mythological elements are the later work of Paul and those that influenced him attached to the legendary aspects that are reflected in the Gospels. While the Gospels are later in writing than the authentic Pauline Epistles, they have a closer geographic and ethnic origin to Jesus and his followers than Paul and the Hellenistic mythological language.

The discrepancies in the Gospels can be analyzed for motivation by the authors. For example John changed the time of the crucifixion reflected in Matthew so that Jesus's death in his Gospel would coincide with the slaughter of the lambs. This in turn builds the theological theme that Jesus is the Passover Lamb and proposing that Jesus is a sacrifice for sin. These dependencies are often minor but are cumulative and add up to significance.

Looking at the various re-workings of Mark by Matthew and Luke shows that they had an agenda to overcome; the idea that Jesus was a disciple of John the Baptist, to create an apology for why he would have been baptized for the remission of sin, and to subordinate the Baptist to Jesus as a precursor. Matthew drops the statement from Mark that John's baptism was for the remission of sin. Again we see the human Jesus of Mark elevated in the later gospels' re-workings.

Looking at the way Matthew handles various texts one can see the elimination of normal human behavior from Mark's presentation to a more supernatural figure. Mark's “Why do you call Me good? There is none good but God.” is reworked to “Why do you ask me about the good?” For now with the addition of the virgin birth Matthew presents Jesus with supernatural powers and born with the Holy Spirit. He knows the thoughts of others unlike in Mark 5:21ff, when he questions, “Who touched my garment?” Like God in Matthew, Jesus is now good. The Gospel of John will make Jesus the very incarnation of God's reason as Logos, the Word.

Why is the 'thought crime' (nothing acted upon) of 'coveting' your neighbour's possessions, such as his animals, wife, and servants, considered more important to have in the 10 than prohibitions against torture and rape?

One of the lamest sets of 'moral' rules around.

 

Answer: Christians believe America was founded on Christian -  Judaic  Laws the Ten commandments come under that category. Also the Bible says the the unbeliever is not subject to the word of God and can not be, so it is not a spiritual thing. Rather the Bible does recognize the Government does not use the sword in vain. So the ten Commandments are the foundation of our American secular Law which Christians want enforced by the Government in order to keep the peace as they are charged to do so.

As far as Christians the Bible teaches God's people have hid his word in their hearts.  So we do not need a plaque.

 

The larger Question about Jesus full filing the Law, The bible also says the Unbeliever can not understand Spiritual things. So to unbeliever it is n enigma

 

 

The Ten Commandments are a really lame set of 'moral' guidelines - The ones about worshipping God are irrelevant to morality, and they don't include rules prohibiting torture, rape, or slavery, while including the 'thought-crime' about not covetting your neigbour's property, which also offensively refers to his wife and servants as mere 'property', a common theme of the OT.

It is clear the writers of the Bible understood little of significance about "Life, Universe, and Everything". It is a record of codified ignorance. They are the ones who were blind to what we now see as a far more accurate and comprehensive, albeit yet incomplete, of Reality.

Of course it will say the 'unbeliever' will not understand its message - that is such an old 'trick' of writing to make it sound clever. Only someone dumb enough to swallow the offensive ignorance and primitive version of morality it conveys would quote that.

I understand the message, and find it deeply offensive to any understanding of Truth and Goodness.

I think the answer is: FEAR.

which funny enough, is the answer to most questions concerning why christians do what they do.

 

how about this qustion, why would the jews carry the arch of the covenant into battle, (the product of battle is death, the method is killing), when it contained the ten commandments, one of which is " though shalt not kill"?