What doctrine is not in the Bible?
Offline There are a number of beliefs from the church and the surrounding Christian culture that are taken for granted as Christian doctrine but are not actually in the Bible. Name as many as you can think of.
-The first pope was St Peter or St Paul
-The talking serpent in the garden of Eden is Satan. The fruit eaten was an apple
-The one given power over the world in Revelations 13 is the Antichrist
-Jesus states he is the son of God
-Jesus states he is God
-Jesus states he is a trinity of father/son/holy ghost
-The events in Revelations and the second coming are about the future hundreds or thousands of years after the time of Jesus, not during the active Roman empire during the time of Nero
-Angels, demons and Satan are as they appear in medieval/rennaisance paintings
-Christ was born December 25th and visited by three kings
-Heaven and Hell are an invisible dimension separate from Earth and the physical universe
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Freewill.
- To get closer to the star of the east you have to head west.
The ascension of St Mary is not in the Bible either.
Communion, and the eating the bread as the body of Christ, and wine as the blood of christ
In fact, very little of Christian doctrine is in the Bible. Much of it was made up by the Catholic Ecumenical councils. A great deal of it seems to be about control and money. For instance, the fear of hell was used to keep the masses controlled. Money was stolen from these same masses by the church promising to purchase insurance on their soul.
For a great deal of history, the Church operated like a moral pez dispenser. Got a dead unbaptized baby in purgatory (also made up by the church)? We can get him out for a nominal fee!
Very little of what we would call "Christianity" is in the Bible. And none of what we call "Catholicism" is in the Bible.
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Purgatory - It was invented by the catholic church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory
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This is hilarious. I can't believe I've never heard this criticism of the Bible before.
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Unfortunately it's not what the OP was asking for, but it is right. I've seen this one a number of time and even Rook has it in his bible contradictions thread.
There's also numerous occasions where people went north to get to a town that was south-west of their current location and a bit more stuff like that ...
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I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned this one yet. Jesus never said the Golden Rule.
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What about the fact that Nazareth (the town where Jesus was supposedly born) wasn't even settled until a couple centuries later?
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There's nothing I'm aware of in the bible about abortion.
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Nothing about Jesus being on a cross! The word used in the orginal greek was "Stavross" which is a stake - in fact it's where the word "Staff" comes from. The cross shape was from another god called "Tamuz" - the T standing for his name. Christians rip so much off from other religions.
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There's nothing in the Bible forbidding pedophilia that I've found. It's almost as if the catholic priests who wrote much of the thing partook in diddling the chilrens !!
I know it's crazy talk !
You can't pick up sticks on the sabbath.....but you can pick up that hot lookin' 2nd grader, no problem.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
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I've not heard this before. Is this something rook found, or did you see it somewhere else. I'd love to read up on this.
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I think purgatory is part of the apocrypha, part of the Catholic bible. I couldn't find the verse anywhere. I also recall there was reference to it in the New Testament, but the prodestant church removed it. I'll have to do more research on that.
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I found this, for what it's worth:
Catholics did not “invent” the doctrine of purgatory, or even coin the phrase “State of Purgation.” The doctrine is a legitimate outgrowth of Jewish belief. We must take the Bible as an organic whole, not simply selecting certain verses on which to build theologies. Jesus corrected the Jews concerning divorce in Matt 19:3-6. He also taught that the fires of Gehenna would be everlasting in contrast to the Jewish belief that would be a time limitation of 12 months. Jesus did not come to change the law, but He did clarify certain aspects. It stands to reason that if the Jews were wrong about their belief in a state of purgation. Jesus would have had a moral responsibility to correct them; this he did not do.
When NT passages, such as 1 Cor 3:13-15; Rev. 5:3, 13; 21:27; Matt 5:25-26, 12:32; 1 Pet 3:18-20; 1 Jn. 5:16; and Lk 12:58f are examined in the light of Jewish belief their meaning becomes clear. Souls must be purified before they can enter heaven's gate; God’s justice demands it.
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It's in "Losing Faith in Faith."
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Free Will also isn't in the Bible.
it seems like you really know your stuff.
How can do I refute this, Christians keep bringing it up.
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Here read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Notice this part "A small minority [2]argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure, but merely as a metaphorical or mythical figure syncretized from various non-Abrahamic deities and heroes.[3]"
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here is what it says "The nonhistoricity thesis has always been controversial, and it has consistently failed to convince scholars of many disciplines and religious creeds. ... Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted." - Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), p. 16.
the monroe doctrine, the zero percent doctrine, the dean smith doctrine of coaching basketball. come on people, for a "rational group" you guys sure like to have fun.
if you would have correctly titled this post "christian doctrines not found in the bible," your answer should have been "none."
we cannot define "christian doctrine" as "anything stated by one who calls himself a believer in jesus christ." it must be "doctrines that should be agreed upon by all christians, using the bible as the primary source of inspiration." come on rational thinkers, arent you smart enough to realize this, or are you just playing games?
disagreements worth arguing over, such as jesus' claim to be god should be sorted out using exegetical arguments. not all "christian doctrines" are biblical, thus therefore should be kicked aside.
Revelation 12:9- And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (ESV)
-we can see that John already understood this analogy. Genesis doesn't explicitely say "The serpent was Satan," but it if nothing else certainly was a shadow of Satan. the serpent was a crafty deceiver, it was cursed to be an enemy of man, and it is prophecied in Genesis 3:15 what Jesus would do to Satan.
-where is this book of revelations you speak of?
John the baptist did, as well as the disciples. it is in God's word, so doesnt that mean that God said it too?
bah, let's see...jesus claimed to be able to forgive sins. jesus said that if his disciples didnt worship him, the rocks would. jesus called himself the "son of man," fulfilling old testament prophecy that was easilly understood by the jews. jesus said "the father and i are one, if you have seen me you have also seen the father. im sure there are more, but four is three more than enough.
-wow, just wow.
again, i didnt know this was christian doctrine, i feel like im losing my faith!
probably the best point made by anyone in this post, although this is greatly debated by christians. i look to...
Genesis 4:7, where God tells cain "if you do well, you will be accepted," and "you must master [sin]."
Galatians 5:1 -It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
i know there should be more, but i think these are enough to say, "free will could be a biblical concept"
i found this using google, dont know how reliable it is, but it does at least point out some of your own misconceptions that i picked up on just by reading your question. read the "clearing up misconceptions" part.
---sorry, i forgot to add the link the first time.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n2/star-of-bethlehem
what bible have you been reading? what do you define as christianity? back to my point, things christians do, dont make them christian things to do. the bible doesnt say that you should cheer on your favorite college team (go gators), but thousands of christians do it, does this make it a christian thing to do? no. let's get back to the meaning of christian doctrine, it has to be derived from scripture.
yeh, the "great commission" isnt in the bible either. what does this prove?
wow, youre right. the bible says nothing about jesus being born in nazareth! what are we to do?!
check out "case for christ" by lee strobel. most of you claim to own this book so pull it off the shelf, dust it off, and read what it says about this.
dont use the bias argument, because that is ad hominem, not accepted around here!! btw, atheists are just as biased as christians on all topics "God."
what? please show your source. the cross was used by the romans to execute the most dispicable criminals. it was used during the time of Jesus, so your argument seems fleeting to me.
Ok so now you label me a theist. Let us understand that the man Jesus has been proven over and over yet you guys still don't listen to the facts.
check in leviticus.
I'm assuming this is a Catholic belief, and it isn't in the Bible this is why i'm not a Catholic.
Actually this is in the Bible.
Matthew 26:
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
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Mark 14:22While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is my body."
23Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it.
24"This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them. 25"I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God."
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Luke 22:19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
streeeeike 3 your out.
Before the Catholics hell was a happy place where we all hung out and made smores over the fire.
Another Catholic belief not biblical.
Actually the Bible is where we get our beliefs. Don't know where you got that from.
1.) Show me.
2.) Is this supposed caution against pedophilia as reliable as these ?
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we all know that the Bible says that murder is a sin in the Bible. So you have to ask when is it a child. Who creates the child. Is it the parents or is it God that creates it in the mothers womb.
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
This is God speaking, so you could say Before God formed you in the womb God knew you. So if you are killing God's creation I call it murder. But it does not specifically say abortion is wrong.
matt, i did a little reading on this, it appears that you may be correct. the words for cross in the NT are "stauros" and "xylon." neither should be translated as "cross." they are "stake" or "tree." some say that crossbeams were used sometimes. im sure more research is needed to be sure here. i know one of the common apologies for this is that jesus had HOLES (plural) in his hands. also that he later told peter his hands would be stretched out, although i dont know how strong this argument is.
i dont see how this helps your case though. jesus on the tree only helps his case. consider Deuteronomy 21:23, "anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse." Numbers 21:9, So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.
see it doesnt hurt christians if the word is translated tree or stake. the many pagan traditions that influenced christianity did nothing to change important doctrines.
Clever. I don't think duludedgod is saying that communion is not in the Bible. duludedgod is saying that the (Catholic) doctrine that the bread and wine literally become the flesh and blood of Jesus is not in the Bible.
There are many beliefs, practices, and jargon in Christianity (esp. in Roman Catholicism) that are extra-biblical. Most evangelicals convert people by having them recite "The Sinners Prayer." There's nothing in the bible about "having a personal relationship with Jesus." There's nothing in the Bible about keeping holidays like Christmas and Easter. There's nothing in the Bible about meeting on Sundays.