LMAO you are an ignorant fool. Sure science can be driven by money, those big telescopes cost a lot of money. Sure it can be driven by fame, those human egos can get awfully big.

Sure it can be driven by personal gain, like I said, those human egos are big.

A rational person would look at every thing and then decide. You look at one or two things then decide.

That is not what I assert at all. I assert that you are a useful idiot of big oil, government bearacrats and corporate welfare recipients. They manipulate you into believing that the only solution to an impeding climate change crisis is taxation and regulation. You accept this even though it means slavery for the working man and easy money for them. For instance you think big oil needs to be taxed more, but this cost just gets passed onto consumers, any additional revenue goes for corporate welfare.

Stop arguing against a stawman you invent.

I've never made this claim so stop putting words in my mouth.

The framework of society is elites and slaves that work for them. If youi can't figure that out, enjoy your slavery. You must trust science from a hyper-competitive environment.

EXC also has no comprehension of what slavery or science is.

 OK then. If I am wrong you can answer  questions.

Throughout human history, societies have been organized with a strong man or small group of leaders at the top, a group of elites such as military, police and intellectuals that support the leaders in exchange for financial benefit and then the slave class who's perform all the useful labor but have the fruits of their labor distributed by the leaders. Religion and other propaganda is used to maintain the social order. It is so prevelent that it would seem to just be a natural occurance in homo-sapiens. Do you dispute this even though many historians and anthropologits would agree?

Throughout the Cold war, Capitalist were told that Communists societies were slave societies and Communist societies were told that Capitalist workers were slaves. So what event happened that suddenly made the USA and Canada not slave societies? Why do you believe the propaganda that you live in a free society? Why should I believe there is anything free about a high tax society that only leaves workers with no disposable income?

Aren't these scientists that want public funding just wanting to become part of the elites? They are just so far above the lowly working man who can not do science, he can only work to support the elites as they pursue their interests. But the lowly working man can not have any interests of his own. His lot is just to work to support the scientific elites as they create more technology to enable more population.

False. Slavery has always been an aberration. There has never been a time when the majority of humanity were slaves. Inconsequential, ignored, abused? Sure. But not slaves. Holding slaves is too expensive and not sufficiently productive.

No historian or anthropologist would agree with your lies. It is certainly true there has always been and will always be a social order. Civilisation cannot exist without. But that is a far cry from chronic mass slavery.

Both sides lied, and both sides were more free than not. You really need to be made a slave for a year so you'd know what actual slavery is like.

Also, taxes aren't the reason so few have a disposable income; rich hoarding is.

Not everyone is a sociopath like you.

We aren't slaves because we have no master.
No, one is not. Especially not when one wouldn't exist without the very tax system you constantly whine about and consistently fail to understand.
You're so pathetic.

Try working for yourself and keeping most of the fruits of your labor. Impossible. So we are slaves. Talk to anyone in university research, they will tell you all these foreign RAs are total visa slaves.

The only difference between previous slave societes is that the propaganda of being free has convinced the masses that they are not slaves.

No, government created a monopoly so that only they could provide these services. And they didn't do it for the most part, they hired private companies. They charged far more than the private sector. Government is at best a middleman we don't really need. At worst, total theives.

So by your logic then, government is responsible for war. Since taxes pay for war, without goverment there would be no more war.

Private roads:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States

The fact that we don't let the private sector solve traffic problems is why we sit in traffic. Why aren't freeways double decked? Cause government doesn't give a fuck.

Private water:

https://qz.com/817913/america-cant-trust-public-water-so-its-turning-to-private-companies/

Flint Michigan was public.

Power and ISPs are private. If I don't like the cost/service I can change.

BTW, none of my ancestors were such slaves that they needed government to tell them when they could fuck.

I back up all my claims with facts. You don't.

unum exemplum

I just posted links to back up my claims and refute yours. You pull the claims you made in this post out of your ass.

You and Brian37 are the same. You can't argue with logic, reason and facts, so you insult. You don't think for yourself just parrot your political indoctrination. Pathetic.

I forgot to lump you with Trump as well. Same tactics, insults go up as you can you reason to make your point or refute mine.

So are you making the assertion that Peter Higgs in not someone that should be listened to on the state of science?

Are you asserting that private roads and water systems don't and can not exist?

If everyone here agrees with your views, this place is worse than any religion.

Even though science and tecnology advance, life for the average person gets worse. Because your way is a total failure. Excessive immigration and population have ruined science just like everything else. But I know populaton pressures exist in every species except homo-sapiens. The problem is just I don't pay enough taxes, I'm just not enough of a slave to the welfare state, all scientists need to become welfare queens.

 You're the site's group-think enforcer. If I am as you claim mentally deficient, why would this invoke anger. Did you beat up the low IQ/downs syndrome kids in your school?

I'm a threat to your world view. Same reaction you get from any religious fanatic. You obviosly have some severe anger issues. You want to jail or kill someone just for disagreeing with you. But I'm the psychopath??? You're the same as ISIS. Excactly what you claim to be against, you are.

Interesting how you say I'm both retarded and a psychopath. Is that just covering all the bases? You obviously don't think this through, just anger.

But it is interesting to me how much politics operates in the same way as religion.

 It is classic sociopathic behavior to demean, bully and want to be violent toward a retarded person. According to you, it is obvious I am severly mentally deficient to anyone who reads my posts. Yet, you persist.

So you are either a liar or a sociopath yourself. The very thing you always accuse me of being.

Why do you even use that line of attack? If I was retarded, I could never understand I was retarded. Is that just because you don't think other people are intelligent enough to figure out that I am a total idiot? You have to educate them on how to spot a retard?

Or if I'm a sociopath, by definition I don't care about the feelings of others. So why bother?

You really don't think this through. Or is this just you political indoctrination that requires you to throw everything you can at those who would dare disagree? Sorry Mr. ISIS I'm not intimidated.

You never addressed the main point of the post. You just attacked me as a knee jerk reaction.

Do you agree with Peter Higgs about the state of scientific research? If not, why not? If yes, why is it so fucked up if it is not too much competion from immigrants and too many people?

Yes I did address the substance of this topic. At least a dozen times in other topics where the exact same conversation took place and you made up the exact same lies. Unlike your dumb ass, my tolerance for repetition is low and I have no interest in conclusively proving everything you say is a lie every time you speak after having already done exactly that 5 thousand times previous.

Thanks for proving my point even further, psychopath.

Projection.

Because identifying a psychopath is simplistic, but curing a psychopath is not yet possible.

Not instead, you brainless retard. Instead requires we must be able to cure psychopaths. But we can't. Also, you don't have a solution. You'd make prisoners pay themselves, a strategy proven unworkable ages ago.

Because it can't.

Not in the slightest. You'd help with the easy money, not threaten it.

Only in your delusions.

Yet more proof of your retardedness. Yet more lies. You keep making up my positions and I keep laughing at your stupidity. Year after year after year.

I love how you try and lump in completely unrelated subjects as if it said or proved anything while simultaneously demonstrating your ignorance of pretty much every scientific and political reality that ever was. You'd need 15 years of non-stop schooling to even begin to comprehend the depth of your stupidity.

Yet again you make a claim then post only vaguely related source material as if it proved your claims. Unfortunately for you, increasing disparity of wealth does not equal decreasing quality of life, so you continue to fall on your face.

The one and only thing that the one child policy can claim is a substantial increase in the male to female population ratio, which is going to cause massive social problems for China in the coming years. Something they were smart enough to recognize, which is why the policy is now abandoned.
Someone should do a study on idiots who conflate unrelated issues such as yourself. It would be mildly interesting to see how someone could be so wrong about so many things.

Yet more claims not substantiated by the sources posted.

Noone does that. You just keep making shit up.

Big pharma is what you get with capitalism.

Actually they are, so again you're just making shit up.

More unsubstantiated claims. More make believe.

More lies.

Because here you are right now taking advantage of things taxes created. You'll never be anything more than a hypocrite thief until you log off permanently and go live in the woods. And bring nothing with you. No clothes, food, tools, or anything else, because you'd have none of it without taxes.

Whining doesn't make you a sociopath, being a sociopath makes you a sociopath.

Any intelligent person knows you're full of shit.

Lol how stupid you must be. I'm sure it's real easy to pretend you aren't a psychopath constantly around people who are trained specifically to diagnose the condition. Lmfao. What a retard.

More lies. Your tax bill for the justice system hasn't changed much at all during your entire life. A few pennies a year at most.

Only a retard would mistake an absolutely necessary system for a scam.

Growing population increases costs and income. But you're too stupid to realise that 1/6th and 10/160ths are the exact same.

Nope, taxes is 100% responsible for all of it.

No, they can blame you for lying about the taxes that keep them armed and trained and fed and reducing their capital thus reducing their readiness and capability.

Without which you'd be shouting Heil Hitler on demand. And you'd still be paying taxes.

Yet again you post unrelated information as proof of your delusional claims. Show me the source that says Musk built all the highways in the US. I'll wait.
It's especially hilarious since the project you refer to has no public access at all.

That's a good thing. Companies don't build quality roads.
And there's no uncontrolled immigration.

Lies.

Yes I did. Too bad you never even finished grade school.

You are hilariously wrong. That is quite literally part of the curriculum. Every psychologist and psychiatrist trained in the last 20 or 30 years has done exactly that multiple times. Get a clue retard.

You're the oonly one trying to dupe people.

Everything you say is a lie.

No but a sociopath isn't going to pass the course and become a doctor either. Dumb ass.

I guess you didn't notice I quit posting. I don't care about this thread. I don't want to know where you and Vas have ended up and if you can't read my previous posts then take a hike off a short pier.

EXC constantly lying about everything, including his lies. Which I've conclusively proved are lies thousands of times. Anyone who wants to see that has only to look in any topic we both posted in. As EXC has constantly lied for about a decade and I've proved it time and again for a decade. The evidence is everywhere.