Colonel Potter "debates" RRS (Rook & Sapient) about Christianity

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Colonel Potter "debates" RRS (Rook & Sapient) about Christianity

Atheists Rook Hawkins and Brian Sapient have a 4 hour conversation with a Christian, this is about 35 minutes of segments from that discussion.

What is faith? Why is faith worthless?

What was the sacrifice of Jesus? (21 mins) God came down to earth as himself to sacrifice himself to himself so that others can escape the evil wrath of himself.

What exactly did Jesus give up? God framed us. (24 mins)

 

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wow, is there a particular

wow, is there a particular reason for this blast from the past or is it because this encapsulation has just now been made? honestly, i thought it was going to be a satirical video where someone spliced audio from an RRS show with audio from colonel potter in M*A*S*H.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson


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Iwbiek, yes there is a

Iwbiek, yes there is a specific reason.  I have decided that many of our shows contain debate tools and commentary on religion that is still relevant today and that the material should be made more available.  I am happy to be making an attempt at uploading all of our old material in an ad supported format to allow everyone access to the tactics we employed on our show.  I believe the show to be an important part of online activist atheist history and hope a new group of activists can fall in love with it all over again.

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Sapient wrote:Iwbiek, yes

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Iwbiek, yes there is a specific reason.  I have decided that many of our shows contain debate tools and commentary on religion that is still relevant today and that the material should be made more available.  I am happy to be making an attempt at uploading all of our old material in an ad supported format to allow everyone access to the tactics we employed on our show.  I believe the show to be an important part of online activist atheist history and hope a new group of activists can fall in love with it all over again.

Check them out as they go up, there are quite a few more loaded up on our youtube channel already. 

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I'm on to your master plan. You want to take over the world and force everyone to be an Eagles fan.

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Brian37 wrote:Sapient

Brian37 wrote:

Sapient wrote:

Iwbiek, yes there is a specific reason.  I have decided that many of our shows contain debate tools and commentary on religion that is still relevant today and that the material should be made more available.  I am happy to be making an attempt at uploading all of our old material in an ad supported format to allow everyone access to the tactics we employed on our show.  I believe the show to be an important part of online activist atheist history and hope a new group of activists can fall in love with it all over again.

Check them out as they go up, there are quite a few more loaded up on our youtube channel already. 

https://www.youtube.com/user/RationalResponse/videos

I'm on to your master plan. You want to take over the world and force everyone to be an Eagles fan.

I thought you were a 'Skin? Traitor! Us Eagles fans don't want you. Go back to your team.


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I've posted this previously

I've posted this previously and I've used it against christians which, in my words, completely, unrelentingly, blows their mind and causes them to end up like the Star Trek androids in the episode "I, Mudd".

Question: Is god all powerful? Could god do anything?

Reply: yes god is all powerful. God can do anything.

Question: Could god undo an event in time?

Reply: Yes god could undo an event in time.

Question: If god could undo an event in time, would god know it happened?

[expect a slow response here]

Reply: God knows everything, god is all powerful. I don't understand your question.

Stating a fact: If god knows everything and god is all powerful, then when god reverses an event in time, god would remember the 1st event, then the 2nd event.

[confusion is setting in, light starts to blink]

Stating a fact: If god remembers the 1st event and the 2nd event, even though those subjects involved in the 1st event and 2nd event didn't remember, the 1st event still did happen because god remembers it happening.

[steam starts to come from the ears]

Reply: God knows everthing, god is all powerful

Final fact: I submit to you that even though god might be able to reverse an event in time, since god remembers that the 1st event happened then it did happen and god didn't actually reverse the event. If god is all powerful then the 1st event would have never happened and god would not remember it. If god would not remember it happening (in order to allow the "god is all powerful to take place" then god would not be "all knowing&quotEye-wink.

I've had people argue this over and over with me, trying to change the logic of the question, but in fact, it nullifies god completely. God can not be all knowing and all powerful at the same time. If god is all powerful and can undo an event in time, thus nullifying its existence, god would not remember it happening. If god is all knowing and knows all things past, present and future, then god can not be all powerful.

Make sense?

 


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Brian37 wrote:

Sapient wrote:

Iwbiek, yes there is a specific reason.  I have decided that many of our shows contain debate tools and commentary on religion that is still relevant today and that the material should be made more available.  I am happy to be making an attempt at uploading all of our old material in an ad supported format to allow everyone access to the tactics we employed on our show.  I believe the show to be an important part of online activist atheist history and hope a new group of activists can fall in love with it all over again.

Check them out as they go up, there are quite a few more loaded up on our youtube channel already. 

https://www.youtube.com/user/RationalResponse/videos

I'm on to your master plan. You want to take over the world and force everyone to be an Eagles fan.

I thought you were a 'Skin? Traitor! Us Eagles fans don't want you. Go back to your team.

No, Brian wants to force everyone to worship the Eagles. I don't bow to green. Green is yucky.

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digitalbeachbum wrote:I've

digitalbeachbum wrote:

I've posted this previously and I've used it against christians which, in my words, completely, unrelentingly, blows their mind and causes them to end up like the Star Trek androids in the episode "I, Mudd".

Question: Is god all powerful? Could god do anything?

Reply: yes god is all powerful. God can do anything.

Question: Could god undo an event in time?

Reply: Yes god could undo an event in time.

Question: If god could undo an event in time, would god know it happened?

[expect a slow response here]

Reply: God knows everything, god is all powerful. I don't understand your question.

Stating a fact: If god knows everything and god is all powerful, then when god reverses an event in time, god would remember the 1st event, then the 2nd event.

[confusion is setting in, light starts to blink]

Stating a fact: If god remembers the 1st event and the 2nd event, even though those subjects involved in the 1st event and 2nd event didn't remember, the 1st event still did happen because god remembers it happening.

[steam starts to come from the ears]

Reply: God knows everthing, god is all powerful

Final fact: I submit to you that even though god might be able to reverse an event in time, since god remembers that the 1st event happened then it did happen and god didn't actually reverse the event. If god is all powerful then the 1st event would have never happened and god would not remember it. If god would not remember it happening (in order to allow the "god is all powerful to take place" then god would not be "all knowing&quotEye-wink.

I've had people argue this over and over with me, trying to change the logic of the question, but in fact, it nullifies god completely. God can not be all knowing and all powerful at the same time. If god is all powerful and can undo an event in time, thus nullifying its existence, god would not remember it happening. If god is all knowing and knows all things past, present and future, then god can not be all powerful.

Make sense?

 

Unfortunately I don't think this would work on the more scientifically inclined. I can put holes in it. If god exists and knows everything, then god doesn't just know everything that is, it knows everything that might have been and will or could be. From such a position, erasing an event from history wouldn't erase it from potential histories, thus god would still know it.

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Vastet wrote:digitalbeachbum

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digitalbeachbum wrote:

I've posted this previously and I've used it against christians which, in my words, completely, unrelentingly, blows their mind and causes them to end up like the Star Trek androids in the episode "I, Mudd".

Question: Is god all powerful? Could god do anything?

Reply: yes god is all powerful. God can do anything.

Question: Could god undo an event in time?

Reply: Yes god could undo an event in time.

Question: If god could undo an event in time, would god know it happened?

[expect a slow response here]

Reply: God knows everything, god is all powerful. I don't understand your question.

Stating a fact: If god knows everything and god is all powerful, then when god reverses an event in time, god would remember the 1st event, then the 2nd event.

[confusion is setting in, light starts to blink]

Stating a fact: If god remembers the 1st event and the 2nd event, even though those subjects involved in the 1st event and 2nd event didn't remember, the 1st event still did happen because god remembers it happening.

[steam starts to come from the ears]

Reply: God knows everthing, god is all powerful

Final fact: I submit to you that even though god might be able to reverse an event in time, since god remembers that the 1st event happened then it did happen and god didn't actually reverse the event. If god is all powerful then the 1st event would have never happened and god would not remember it. If god would not remember it happening (in order to allow the "god is all powerful to take place" then god would not be "all knowing&quotEye-wink.

I've had people argue this over and over with me, trying to change the logic of the question, but in fact, it nullifies god completely. God can not be all knowing and all powerful at the same time. If god is all powerful and can undo an event in time, thus nullifying its existence, god would not remember it happening. If god is all knowing and knows all things past, present and future, then god can not be all powerful.

Make sense?

 

Unfortunately I don't think this would work on the more scientifically inclined. I can put holes in it. If god exists and knows everything, then god doesn't just know everything that is, it knows everything that might have been and will or could be. From such a position, erasing an event from history wouldn't erase it from potential histories, thus god would still know it.

My point being is that god can't erase god's memory.


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I dunno. Memory is quite

I dunno. Memory is quite fallible. Even computer memory degrades with time and use. Unless god is unchanging and effectively frozen in time, his memory would be no less subject to flaws and erasure.

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