Pictures of Mo
Offline So I was doing some research on the Quaran and I found that it actually does not say "you can't draw Muhammad". Apparently only third party teachings are the reason why Muslims are so upset. These third party teachings are sort of like the precepts in Buddhism or what they call the "8 Fold Path". These opinions are modified by each sect and used differently through out the world. Some believe one set, the other believers follow another set.
So what or why is it that so many Muslims say "The Quaran said so..."?
I find this to be a good example of how Christians claim "The bible said so..." but when you exam the bible for the actual quote given it doesn't exist.
So this is an eye opener to me. When people tell me they are Muslim I assumed that they were practicing and were well versed in the Quaran. However after this little bit of research it has shown me that Muslims don't know their holy teachings as well as they seem to profess. It also shows me that the followers of ISIS and other radical views are just opinions. They aren't following actual teachings of Muhammad. They are following third party teachings and most likely are fighting for greedy purposes.
Greedy purposes like land, power, money and fulfillment of their own egotistical desires.
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Which brings me to an amazing revelation about Muslims.
They say that you aren't allowed to depict Muhammad because it might lead to worshiping of of an idol. Yet as all of us know, if you say, "Hey I met this girl the other day and she had giant tits and brown hair..." You would most likely form a visual representation in your mind of what they are describing.
Given that the Quaran gives the physical description of Muhammad in the Quaran, I mean literally in detail, ALL MUSLIMS FORM A DEPICTION OF MUHAMMAD IN THEIR MINDS. They all have a picture of what he looks like in their mind.
Hmmm. Wow. That blows my mind that this is a possible wide spread example of hypocrisy in the world of Islam.
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tbh, i'm not as much of a natural at it as you might think i am, especially when it comes to finer points of theory. that's why i'm such a proponent of analytical philosophy, particularly karl popper and wittgenstein, because it gave me a vocabulary to express my subtler thoughts more clearly.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
How can you have compassion and not care at the same time? Compassion is having a concern for the misfortunes of others. If you care, then you have a desire for them to be better off or an aversion to them being in their current situation. If you are concerned, you have a preference, if you aren't concerned, then you don't and don't have compassion. In order to achieve a state where you have no desires or aversions at all, you have to be completely ambivalent.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
That makes a lot more sense. Although from that aspect, it makes it seem like duhkha is even more integral/inseparable from existence.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
well, according to buddhism, it certainly is.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
I have no concern for others. People suffer all over the world with out me knowing and have done so for a very long time. People will continue suffering after I have passed. They will walk a path in life and either learn from those experiences or not learn, none of which is my cocnern.
My compassion comes from my understanding of beings suffering. I know anger. I know hate. I know fear. I know all the forms of suffering. I know I found a way to avoid those hindrances.
See I cannot agree with that philosophy. There are things I did decades ago that I still derive satisfaction from. The only way I could agree with the concept of nothing giving lasting satisfaction is if you take it with the context that you can't derive satisfaction from anything when you are dead. However, I wouldn't think that counts for anything.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
There's a difference between concern for others and concern for everyone. No human is wired to be compassionate for every other human. Compassion requires up close and personal contact to even come in to play. I'd imagine you feel compassionate towards those close to you in a way that differs from any compassion towards a stranger.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Then compassion is the wrong word. You can understand without having compassion. I understand 3rd world dictators running their little fiefdoms and doing whatever the fuck they want. I have zero compassion for the scumbags when their head has a collision with a bullet.
I don't see anger, hate or fear as hinderances. They have been very useful motivators for all sorts of great achievements for mankind. Like most motivators (including "good" motivators like love and compassion) they can be positive or negative depending on how they manifest.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
i don't agree with it either. i'm just stating what it is. i also have plenty of things in my life that i have zero regrets about and that give me pleasure to think of even to this day (like that girl's basketball point guard i had a fling with senior year of college...hoo-ha!). then again, there's also the old indian notion that any action, good or bad, generates karma, and any karma, good or bad, keeps us in the cycle of rebirth, so that has a lot to do with it as well.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
My views have changed over the years but I have compassion for all including those who kill, those who steal and those who are strangers. Sure, I don't know what they do or don't do, but using the theory of the lowest common denominator I always have one thing which connects me to all other humans.
I have compassion only for those whose actions merit it. For example, the ISIS Muslims who are burning people alive in cages, executing homosexuals by throwing them off the top of tall buildings, and perfoming mass beheadings do not fall into that category.
Incidentally, IMHO being connected to other humans is certainly not worth the bother. People ( in general ) suck.
I believe in the lottery of birth. We all start out with blank slates but are programmed based on experiences. Sure, some of us are mentall or physically fucked up so we don't all start out on equal footing. However I would be safe in saying that you could take any average ISIS fucker and have them born in California to a surfing family who grows medical weed, are practicing buddhists and are vegans and they would be a typical american. It's the radical bullshit coming from Saudi which is causing ISIS and all the other radical bullshit. I still can't understand why we suppoert Saudi when they are the cause of these teachings.
$ & convenience. Plus, even the US can't handle the whole middle east and Africa at once. If the US pushes the wrong way, it gets evicted from the continent. And good luck to Israel then.
As much as locals have responsibility for ISIS, it's the power vacuum created by the US that really allowed this to happen. If the taliban had never been (briefly) unseated and Saddam was still in power, ISIS could not exist.
I can only imagine how bad things would get if the west stopped recognising the saudi's and the other oil giants in the region. More of the same is not going to put this to an end. It'll just make things worse.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
While all this might be true, it is logical that if you took a baby and raised them in a radical Islamic family they most likely would become radical Islamic followers. If you raised the same baby in southern California in a crunchy granola sufer family they most likely would be the same.
It would be a very cool experiment to do. Get parents to give up their babies to other families, then raise the children in different environments to see how they turned out.
It sounds good in theory, but as a species we've done far worse when we start taking kids away then we ever did leaving families be. Those kids end up resenting those who took them away, and they also tend to receive sub-par care and be subjected to prejudice in the process. As a final blow, it destroys the communities the kids were taken from as they tend not to return.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
I understand, but as an experiement it would be interesting to see if genetics or environment plays a major role in the development of a human.
I personally would say that environment is by far the greater factor. I wouldn't say genes are irrelevant, but they only start you off.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Those kinds of experiments already exist. You just have to google it. I particularly like the experiments on siblings/twins separated at birth.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Interesting. I hadn't really gone in to any detail but I found this on Wikipedia which then led me to Epigenetics. Very interesting. In their 2014 survey of scientists, many respondents wrote that the familiar distinction between nature and nurture has outlived its usefulness, and should be retired. One reason is the explosion of work in the field of epigenetics. Scientists believe that there is a long and circuitous route, with many feedback loops, from a particular set of genes to a feature of the adult organism. Culture is a biological phenomenon: a set of abilities and practices that allow members of one generation to learn and change and to pass the results of that learning on to the next generation
The term was intriguing to me so I looked it up. Part of the reason why me and my girlfriend, who have been together for years, had made a decision not to have children, was the long line of alcoholism, drug addictions, depressions, and various other things that ran in both of our families, (Not to mention other reasons) but needlessly to say, Nature vs. Nurture has always held a particular interest to me due to that very reason. So while this branch of science is relatively young, I must say this article was a fascinating read:
www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/07/epigenetics-heredity-diabetes-obesity-increased-cancer-risk
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Yeah weird huh? There is so much to learn. Read this article. You might have heard about this already.
http://io9.com/how-an-1836-famine-altered-the-genes-of-children-born-d-1200001177
Wow. Thanks for providing that one. As the late Leonard Nimoy would have said : "Fascinating"
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Yeah. It's like cells remembering the event or reacting to the event then passing along the result. It is a whole new field of science.
I've been hearing about genetic memory for a few years now. Some have suggested that extreme trauma experienced by a parent can be recalled by a child (in a vague way), though I've yet to see sufficient evidence to prove it.
It makes a lot of sense though. Without genetic memory (in other words, instinct), it would be impossible for any animal species to evolve very far. It would easily explain why all members of a species react to certain stimulae in the exact same fashion. It can also explain multiple conditions that appear to be (at least on occasion) hereditary, including substance addiction and criminal behaviour.
I've been wanting to see some major research in this field for quite some time.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
there must be something to it. my dad's side of the family is full of musical talent, and i'd like to think i've inherited some of it.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson