Time to ban A_Nony_Mouse?
Greets,
As I've said a number of times, my primary interest in this site is the science posts. The number of high quality references to recent scientific discoveries is very high and I enjoy reading links about various discoveries. I read about the pending announcement of the Higg's boson here before any other non-news websites I visit, and the recently announced ability to view the inside of living cells hasn't made it to any other website I visit.
During a number of conversations about purchasing a new web server, I also mentioned that I felt that the "secular humanism" mission of this website was an admirable goal, and I've offered publicly and privately to provide some amount of financial support, provided various conditions are met, to that end. In my experience, when people of widely divergent world-views agree on something, it seems to have a much better chance of being a "good idea" (assuming all parties agree it is a "good idea" than not.
It's also been my observation that when people of divergent opinions think that something is a "bad idea", or a person is a "bad person", there's a very good chance that others would likewise agree than not.
That seems to be the case with A_Nony_Mouse -- the number of people who are decrying his naked bigotry isn't small. His willingness to attack people as puppets of Jews simply because they call him out on his bigotry is evidence that his bigotry knows no bounds. If he just attacked Jews, I'd be fine with that -- Jews seem to get used to it after a while -- but anyone who doesn't cower to his repeated attacks is labeled a sympathizer and a puppet of the Jews. His willingness to make absurd claims that are not, in any way, based on Scientific evidence is inconsistent with what seems to be the approach this website takes: presenting clearly supported scientific evidence as a way of combating ignorance.
Between his bigotry and anti-Science stances on the subject of his bigotry, his attitudes seem to be completely inconsistent with two key goals: present clearly supported scientific evidence about the nature of reality, and creating a society that's free from the types of hatred that he spews on a regular basis.
For these reasons, I would like to suggest that he be banned, or at the very minimum given a nice long vacation.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
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Perhaps Furry could refrain from her efforts at trying to discipline me long enough to refocus her rage on that awful, nasty Nony. I mean, she started this whole Nony is a hate monger thread.
But I doubt that she's through flinging poo at me just yet. She's pissed at me.
Furry, please issue your final assessments of my alleged moral shortcomings. You'll feel better about yourself after you do. Bye !
I wish to hell you hadn't left in such a huff. ProzacDeathWish Your question is perfectly legitimate. His or her's insane over-reaction. PRICELESS.
YOU ONLY GET ONE FIRST IMPRESSION, REMEMBER NOW.
(Hey, this is interesting -- I can only edit the first and second multiple post.)
(Say buh-bye #2!)
Oh, is that ever the classic reversal -- I'm a narcissist because I won't tell you all about my body?
And no, you can't keep me on this thread forever -- my goal was finding out how far you'd go to find out something you claim doesn't matter. The answer is "all the way". If it didn't really matter, you could have said something like, "Okay, I guess that's a bit private" or "Yeah, it really doesn't matter -- sorry."
You think you can control me, and because I've repeatedly refused to answer what has to be =the= most rude question imaginable, you've cranked up the stupid, only to finally boast
tipping your hand that this is about =control= for you.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
Hello, again Miss Predictable... ( judging by your triple posts your "mouse" finger must be trembling with rage. )
@ Furry, re: pg 2.
Sorry, lost net for a couple days.
Yes, Germany (and Japan) dropped the policies that many would argue led to war in the first place after their defeat, but that's part of my point. Right now both Germany and Japan are amongst the most advanced nations in the world because they dropped that shit. But Israel and the US were quick to replace them, and every decade since has lead to them making more enemies because they now use the same policies, they just changed the focus. For Israel it's the arabs. For the US it's everyone.
Categorical error. Look in the mirror. Twice now.
Blatant lies prove even further that you are a bigot.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
You may retroactively attempt to correct your post but in the same breath as western allies you mentioned the US. As B&F were anything but catatonic that cannot have been your intent. France almost immediately invaded the Ruhr and Germany retreated for example.
Rather that by Brest-Litvosk it had been a dead issue for nearly two centuries. Historicity has no legitimacy per se else France should have submitted to Musolini as it had to Caesar.
I merely pointed out that the Poland which the British ruling class committed its peasantry to defend to the death was not not the choice of the citizens of Poland being a dictatorship like Russia and Germany. The rest had been Germans and Russians for centuries and happily returned to being so. As you know the part of Poland Russia reclaimed in 1939 remained part of Russia after the war and does to this day. If memory serves correctly Putin comes from there. If there is an interest in uniting with Poland they have certainly been silent at this the most opportune time.
The only Poles that existed before Brest-Litvosk lived in what was called the General Government of Poland and adminstered by Germany during the war.
Germany was a voluntary unification under Bismarck although for a few years Bavaria had second thoughts and did attempt to leave. Voluntary unifications are not to be taken apart save by the members themselves not be meddling Brits who know what is best for everyone else.
I only gave you the name. Is it important to look up the number?
There were at least as many there who were evacuated at Dunkirk, no? Add to that the dead even though they were ordered to retreat without notifying the French. Or did you never notice Dunkirk is never put in historical context? They were running away from the German invasion of France.
I have suggested several times they should have been captured, treated to best beer and sausages, and a peace for POWs campaign started.
You do realize that once you declare war you open yourself to attack at any time and at any manner do you not?
I ignore? You have said there were only two western allies. Both of them declared war on Germany. Did they not know they were totally unprepared for war? Do you expect sympathy for people so dumb as to know they were unprepared?
BTW: NATO would not cause the US to side with Britain if it declares the war. It only covers defense if attacked.
Back around 1908 or so Britain and France signed an agreement that resulted in your current mess. Myself I would have thought it OBE. Would a country may or may not do is by treaty obligation. I am unaware of any treaty the US has signed which obligates it to support a country which starts a war. You declare a war you live with the consequences of your own free choice. Rota Ruck.
If Germany had initiated war on Britain instead of vice versa things might have looked different.
Britain was the aggressor against Germany. Germany had attacked no British asset at the time Britain declared war. As stupid as it was, as unprepared as it was the guy dying of a brain tumor lead the declaration of war. Or did you miss his medical condition? How did it affect his judgement? Can you find a biopsy as to they type of tumor it was? A while back I googled it was barely found a word on cause of death much less details of the autopsy or even if there was one.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
I said I would only discuss millions of deaths in gas chambers. The population data shows in increase in world population. Do you have autopsy reports showing cause of death?
You can call the Shoah, the Nakbah, the Disaster by any name you want. If you wish to define it beyond its name, Ha'Shoah please do so. As I said I will only discuss it in terms of the central claim of millions of dead by gassing.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Don't criticize her dana or she'll also accuse you of being a "sociopath" and a "child molester" and start talking about how good she is with her 9mm....
Really? So all those films of dead bodies piled up in pits, on the backs of trucks and public executions were all faked because there were no autopsies? Please tell me you are NOT claiming that the Holocaust was faked? PLEASE tell me that is NOT what you are arguing, because if it is Noony, here is my reaction. I really hope I am reading you wrong.
You are such a deluded nut.
When are you AND Furry going to get it through your thick sculls that our evolution and our future as a species IS NOT dependent on a fucking label. Genocide existed before the invention of either myth and has been inflicted by many different cultures upon other cultures THROUGHOUT our history.
I am with you in only in the sense that she needs to get off her high horse. But denying the suffering OF any group of people simply because of current events is insane.
If you value the suffering of Palestinians then you should value the suffering of the Jews of Germany during WW2. Just as we value the suffering of blacks under slavery or the Native Americans being driven off their land. If you cannot value the suffering of humans because of label, you are no better than those you accuse.
A HUMAN IS A HUMAN IS A HUMAN IS A HUMAN IS A HUMAN IS A HUMAN! PERIOD!
Jews were targeted and murdered. It doesn't make them special because 50 million people died as a result of Hitler's insanity. But it HAPPENED!
You cannot expect her, or me for that matter to have any fucking sympathy for you as a fellow human if you cannot extend that empathy you say you want for your struggle, to your fellow human.
Our planet as 7 billion people. None of us are special and until both sides of that conflict realize that, neither of you are going to reach the peace both say they want.
If Palestinians or Jews want peace it cannot be Palestinian peace or Jewish peace, it has to be a collective effort of humans wanting peace. Not "only if I get my way".
A morgue in any country is still a morgue. Tribalism and credulity keeps filling them up.
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Germany is advanced, the Japanese have a nice photocopier. Just wanted to get that one out of the way -- the Japanese technology situation isn't nearly as impressive to me as it seems to be to many others.
Germany did more than just "drop that shit", they bent over backwards to make restitution, which many assert was a major cause of WWII in the first place (excessive war reparations payments, which was nonsense -- reparations payments were reduced repeatedly, and then just not paid, followed by Germany re-arming).
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
and you know that perfectly well.
No, I don't need to look up the basic numbers of WW2. It's not rocket science. People in this country all have a pretty good grasp of our military history and we relate to Britain a lot more closely than you do.
I'm from a military family, anyway. This stuff is always interesting to me.
In 1939 Britain had say, 10 divisions, while Germany had 130 divisions and 2.5 million men. How can you suggest Britain was the aggressor in WW2? They thought they could beat Germany with 10 divisions?
It had taken vast allied armies 4 years to drive Germany out of northern France in WW1 and they still had not completely beaten them. Did they have the shortest memories of all time?
After Dunkirk Britain did not even have rifles for the survivors of its army. Where was the preparation for aggression? Where were the ships, the tanks, the planes, the men, the war machine? Where?
Your comments about Chamberlain are irrelevant. His policy of appeasement was a failure and he lost power well before he died. Are you saying he was confused into a declaration, bullied into it?
Did he declare war without support from his cabinet? Without bipartisan discussions in the lower house? Without talking with the King? Without reference to leaders of the Commonwealth?
Leaving all else aside as meaningless noise, what is the historical proof that Britain was the sole cause of the second world war? Point me to the notable historian who contends that without provocation, Britain started WW2 by herself.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Regardless of the captions on the pictures here is the world population data.
1933: 15.3
1938: 15.7
1948: 15.8
Is it not reasonable to count the loaves and the fishes both before and after the miracle?
As I said I am looking for world population data that will support the assertion millions of dead in gas chambers. If you know of any be certain to post it.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
I am modestly aware of the Brit view of its history. That is why I have made several pointed observations on the reasons the ruling class gave to the peasants. I might add believing that BS is also a Brit tradition. But please do not expect me to go along with it.
I said very correctly and without fear of contradiction that Britain declared war on Germany. Declaring war is by definition being the aggressor, a very stupid aggressor in this case but an aggressor nevertheless. Whatever you folks got from Germany you asked for by starting a war with Germany.
In which reality was the German army out of France when the armistice was declared?
What does that have to do with choosing to start of war with Germany? Suing for peace was the rational move at that point. It is really dumb to start a war without being prepared to even put up a good fight.
The tumor could account for both the appeasement and the declaration of war by reason of mental impairment. It would depend upon which parts of the brain were impaired and to what extent and how fast that type of tumor would be expected to grow. It would all depend upon the autopsy of which I can find no indication was ever conducted. Without seeing an autopsy report it is impossible to rule out anything.
Don't get excited. Most of them do not affect cognitive functions but it certainly needs be considered.
Are are you telling me Blair took Britain into Iraq in 2003 with full support of the cabinet and bipartisan agreement in parliament and full support of the Commonwealth? That is contrary to everything I have read and heard from the Brit media. Is there some reason what happened in 2003 could not have happened in 1939?
As we are in agreement Britain declared war on Germany and before that it was merely the Russian and German allies reclaiming territory lost in the aftermath of WWI I fail to see how Britain escapes responsibility for making it a wider war, dragging along France thus precipitating the German invasion of France and attacks upon Britain.
As those are the facts and as it is impossible to know an alternate history, that is, no "what would have happened if?" nonsense permitted, I have no idea how Britain can avoid responsibility at least for the war in Europe.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Incorrect on both counts.
And your definition is ... [a drumroll please]
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
???????????? That was my knee-jerk reaction to the masturbation fantasies quote
The holocaust is not the suffering of others but a stain on the whole of humanity, that will NEVER wash out,. I wouldnt worry about blatant lies or manufactured non-sense. To my mind, however, I'd be both alarmed and concerned about losing our living memory of the events with the dying out of the WWII generation . . . What's my point,? Cannot seem to have a point because at last count there are four separate topics to this thread.
I am getting crap from both Noony and Furry for this very reason. This is the unfortunate side of human evolution. We have to feel special to drive ourselves to continue otherwise evolution would not take place. But that necessity of self preservation which IS a real part of evolution, gets anthropomorphic through human projection. It is merely making a label magic and forgetting our common evolution. It was understandable when humans didn't know how nature worked. But we collectively as a species have less of an excuse now that we know what evolution is.
The Holocaust IS a stain on humanity, IT DID HAPPEN and should not be forgotten. But that does not make Jews above the behavior of evolution. Our species history has always displayed the nurture we are capable of and the cruelty we are capable of.
The Holocaust was a stain. But so was the slavery of blacks. So is the current genocide in Darfur(sp). So was the cruelty of Stalin. So was the cruelty of 9/11. Until a majority of the world's population stops thinking in terms of labels, and starts thinking in terms of our common condition, our species will continue to set up roadblocks to the problems our entire planet faces.
Labels do not determine if an individual will do good or bad. No one is special on a planet of 7 billion. We are special to ourselves as individuals, and those we personally know. But in the history of our species and our species future, we are a mere blip.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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He wants to know what's in my undies. I mean, REALLY wants to know. And I just have to tell him because he REALLY wants to know. BADLY.
And I don't own a 9mm at the moment. But I am pretty good with both pistols and long guns
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
Please let us not while carrying on the fight to dispell theistic dogma permit the continuation of secular dogma. The claims of the holy holocaust are not the greatest Jews have claimed as losses. Of course all the Jews in the past were exaggerating but not today's Jews.
No. Today's believers dismiss all the factual problems such as a population increase between 1938 and 1948 rather than a 6 million decrease as beyond human comprehension, a miracle, that is irrational and stupid. (Whatever you do, don't count the loaves and fishes before and after. It ruins the illusion.)
Holocaust, Greek, a wholly burnt sacrifice to a god, the title of a TV miniseries. There was no sacrifice to any god involved, period, unless you go all irrational on it. As to the miniseries, that is the origin of the usage of the word to translate the Israeli Ha'Shoah, the Disaster. The only WWII usage of holocaust was as in "the Nazi holocaust burning its way across Europe" as the clinically depressed, self-medicating with alcohol, i.e. chronically intoxicated at all decision making meetings, Churchill was fond of saying.
Sorry folks but the Genocide Treaty defines the event, even at its worst by anyone's belief system, as an attempted genocide. Anyone want to ask the Flathead Indians about successful genocides? The Druids? I mean get over the popular nonsense and start to think like rational people again.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Kurz or Parabellum?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Noony, you have been here longer than Furry and have been selling your crap for years. Genocide is genocide. Furry and Jews and Israel have no right to claim their victims of genocide are more special than the genocide that has happened and is currently happening. But you are a hypocrite to rightfully claim suffering exists outside Jews, and then ignore that it did happen to Jews.
BOTH of you are pissing in the same fucking sandbox crying "poor me".
You both suffer the delusion that labels make your side above the cruelty that has always existed in human evolution.
REMEMBER THE PAST , but don't cherry pick it to suit your own desires.
No label, not atheist, not Jew, not Palestinian, not Muslim, not Hindu, not Buddhist makes any human above the evolution that produced our entire species and the living today. Humans have always displayed cruelty to others. Humans also fall for the "virtue of the oppressed". Humans far too often repeat the cycle of abuse. They go from victim to abuser just like a child gets away from an abusive parent and then goes on to abuse the kids they have.
There is no magic to this conflict. LABELS are why you are locking horns. She is human and you are human. She will die and you will die. Now like most humans, I suspect that both of you would prefer to die from natural old age. As long as both of you insist on the pissing contest, you make it harder for your respective sides to do that.
Both of you need to get off your high horses.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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Noony, you have been here longer than Furry and have been selling your crap for years. Genocide is genocide. Furry and Jews and Israel have no right to claim their victims of genocide are more special than the genocide that has happened and is currently happening. But you are a hypocrite to rightfully claim suffering exists outside Jews, and then ignore that it did happen to Jews.
BOTH of you are pissing in the same fucking sandbox crying "poor me".
You both suffer the delusion that labels make your side above the cruelty that has always existed in human evolution.
REMEMBER THE PAST , but don't cherry pick it to suit your own desires.
No label, not atheist, not Jew, not Palestinian, not Muslim, not Hindu, not Buddhist makes any human above the evolution that produced our entire species and the living today. Humans have always displayed cruelty to others. Humans also fall for the "virtue of the oppressed". Humans far too often repeat the cycle of abuse. They go from victim to abuser just like a child gets away from an abusive parent and then goes on to abuse the kids they have.
There is no magic to this conflict. LABELS are why you are locking horns. She is human and you are human. She will die and you will die. Now like most humans, I suspect that both of you would prefer to die from natural old age. As long as both of you insist on the pissing contest, you make it harder for your respective sides to do that.
Both of you need to get off your high horses.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
Check out my poetry here on Rational Responders Like my poetry thread on Facebook under Brian James Rational Poet, @Brianrrs37 on Twitter and my blog at www.brianjamesrationalpoet.blog
Parabellum.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
And having been here so long the inability of so many participants to grasp the difference between murder and attempted murder leads me to conclude the atheism is emotional rather than rational. The fundamental difference of the victim still being alive schwangs right over the heads of so many emoters. You keep right on believing Jimmy Carter was murdered every time you see his ghost on TV.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Israel will be forced to do the same one day. Unless it pushes too far and is obliterated.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Hello again darling ....shall we dance ? ( I know what's in your bloomers Annie Oakley ...and your "genitalia" doesn't matter enough to me to waste any more time discussing ...it. )
Very unlikely.
The people who make the decisions know the facts. It's the average Arab who's kept in the dark by their leadership and a lot of those leaders aren't in power so much anymore.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
1 - Theocracy is a government ruled by god
2 - Your statement "Priests just think they are gods" is a loose-ended statement. I think you need to clarify it.
I was always under the impression he was "Matt Giwer."
I think Sage and Prozac are on to something in the last two pages. FWIW
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I don't know or particularly care if the average Israeli is as ignorant of their surroundings as the average American. It is irrelevant to the fact that the entire nation and all who reside within will one day get the bill for the actions of the Israeli government.
The only question is whether the bill will be a demand for payment, or if it come in the form of the routing of Israel.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Didn't you mean to say the "roasting" of Israel ?
Prozacdeathwish, I just visited your ihatepeople.com link and found a thread about us. (kind of)
http://www.whyihatepeople.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2299
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It didn't dawn on me because most people say "This is my website" more frequently when referencing their own website.
Well ... let me put it this way -- if he hadn't said "It doesn't matter", the discussion would have been different, but I get the "It doesn't matter to me that you're a (insert group here)" all the time and it sometimes means that it matters A LOT. If I "prevaricate", most reasonable people take that as a sign that it's a private matter and let the issue drop. But every now and again, someone decides to push it.
Most of the time when that happens, the person who starts the "It doesn't matter if you're a (insert whatever)" conversation is trying to blackmail or manipulate me somehow. My automatic reaction is to figure out how much it matters and how many boundaries they'll cross. I like to think of it as a survival skill.
"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."
The word was invented to mean rule by priests despite a literal translation. It may be rule by gods in theory but in practice gods are notably mute relying upon the profitable intercession of priests to make their desires/commands/demands known to the peasants.
There have been precious few of them, the Judea of the Maccabes and the Papal States, now only Vatican City, being the most prominent.
The usual civil order was for the civil ruler to be the head of the local religions but the powers of the priests derived solely from him. In ancient Rome the highest religious authority was the Pontifex Maximus. That title was held by the emperors. It was a similar to the eastern rite Catholic Churches and the Church of England where the civil ruler is the supreme authority. These are not necessarily theocracies.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
I sort of thought all the links which I said were to my website such as www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html were a real big hint as to who I am. It has never been a secret.
But when the strange start thinking they have discovered something crap like this starts appearing in other forums I frequent such as soc.history.ancient. When I make them public as I am now I get nothing but protestations of complete innocense from the pussys who start making an issue of it. It is all nothing more than coincidence when it happens. There cannot possibly be any communication or coordination of activities because the pitifully self-righteous could not possibly do such things.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
On his first trip away from home a jewish boy is going off to fight in the Crimean War. His mother gives him some good advice.
"Every time you shoot a Turk you take a rest. Shoot a Turk and rest. Alway shoot a Turk and rest."
Then the boy asks his mother, "But what if the Turk shoots me?"
To which his mother replies, "Why would he do that? What have you ever done to him?"
And the son says, "You know how antisemitic the Turks are."
Feel free to substitute Palestinian for Turk. Feel free to substitute anything for Turk.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Yeah, those poor, conflicted ass holes. So, they're admitted misanthropes who hate other people but they get all defensive concerning the very god who supposedly made those disgusting people in the first place ? That whole line of reasoning just makes me feel so MISANTHROPIC !!!
I read that thread too. They're taking a laissez-faire approach to people's beliefs -- hands off! They probably don't advocate a complete no-conversion policy. There are probably times when they want to influence people. It's the abuse they don't like, and some of them probably are threatened by having their worldviews challenged -- even in a kind way.
Sorry Nony. Please continue.....
I don't see this as being a word "invented". It was two Greek words put together "rule" and "god", or "rule of god". Those two words did not come about specifically because of the christian religion or society. These words existed long before the christians.
The word (theocracy) came in to use because one person (who happened to be a Roman/Jewish historian) who coined it for a specific group of people and it got used so much that it eventually became what it is today; and also associated with the christian religion.
Words like "football", "sometimes" or "parkway" are good examples of how two words are used together so much that eventually the society which uses them combines them together to make a single word.
Explain how the then sovereign nation of Poland was wrong to request help from the western allies. What about the Czechs? They asked for help, too. Hitler denied he wanted to take over Czechoslovakia but we know that he was the soul of integrity so let's pretend that never happened, shall we.
At the root of this you are suggesting that Germany was free to undertake any operations she liked in Europe and that only Britain is to be judged by your bizarre standard of morality. I assume Britain was the sole reason Norway was invaded, Denmark was invaded, Holland was invaded, Belgium was invaded. And throughout Hitler prepared for war while saying he was not doing so.
Here are some quotes that might help you unterstand, Nony, ze German mindset. Pay special attention to the dates.
"The assertion that it is the intention of the German Reich to coerce the Austrian State is absurd"...
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (January 30, 1934)
"The battle we are now approaching demands a colossal measure of production capacity. No limit on rearmament can be visualized. The only alternatives are victory or destruction... We live in a time when the final battle is in sight. We are ready on the threshold of mobilization and we are already at war. All that is lacking is the actual shooting."
- Reich Marshal Hermann Göring, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe (1936)
"The forty-eight hours after the march into the Rhineland were the most nerve-racking in my life. If the French had then marched into the Rhineland, we would have had to withdraw with our tails between our legs, for the military resources at our disposal would have been wholly inadequate for even moderate resistance."
- Dr. Paul Schmidt, Hitler's interpreter
"Germany neither intends nor wishes to interfere in the internal affairs of Austria, to annex Austria, or to conclude an Anschluss."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (May 21, 1935)
"I have no further interest in the Czecho-Slovakian State, that is guaranteed. We want no Czechs"...
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (September 26, 1938)
"Germany has concluded a Non-Aggression Pact with Poland... We shall adhere to it unconditionally... we recognize Poland as the home of a great and nationally conscious people."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (May 21, 1935)
"Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression, because she does not think of attacking but only acquiring security."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (1933)
"We have concluded a non-aggression pact with Denmark."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (before the conquest of Denmark)
"Germany never had any conflict with the Northern States and has none today."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (before the conquest of Norway)
"Ther German government has further given the assurance to Belgium and Holland that it is prepared to recognize and to guarantee the inviolability and neutrality of these territories."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (1937)
"National Socialist Germany wants peace because of its fundamental convictions. And it wants peace also owing to the realization of the simple primitive fact that no war would be likely essentially to alter the distress in Europe... The principal effect of every war is to destroy the flower of the nation... Germany needs peace and desires peace!"
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (May 21, 1935)
"Germany has solemnly recognized and guaranteed France her frontiers as determined after te Saar plebiscite... We thereby finally renounced all claims to Alsace-Lorraine, a land for which we have fought two great wars."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (May 21, 1935)
"I speak in the name of the entire German people when I assure the world that we all share the honest wish to eliminate the enmity that brings far more costs than any possible benefits... It would be a wonderful thing for all of humanity if both peoples would renounce force against each other forever. The German people are ready to make such a pledge."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (October 14, 1933)
"First, we swear to yield to no force whatever in restoration of the honor of our people... Secondly, we pledge that now, more than ever, we shall strive for an understanding between the European peoples, especially for one with our Western neighbor nations... We have no territorial demands to make in Europe!... Germany will never break the peace!"
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator (after Nazi troops had marched in the Rhinelandin 1936)
"There are two possibilities for me: To win through with all my plans, or to fail. If I win, I shall be one of the greatest men in history. If I fail, I shall be condemned, despised and damned."
- Adolf Hitler, Nazi Dictator
And here's the furiously aggressively British War declaration from Neville Chamberlain, which takes the form of a note saying that if the German government did not concede to withdraw their illegal invasion forces from Poland, a state of war would exist between Britain and Germany.
"I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10, Downing Street.
This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11.00 a.m. that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us.
I have to tell you that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.
You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed.
Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different I could have done and that would have been more successful.
Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful and honourable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it.
He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened; and although he now says he has put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement.
The proposals were never shown to the Poles nor to us; and although they were announced in a German broadcast on Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to make comment on them, but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier.
His actions show convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.
We and France are today, in fulfilment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack on her people. We have a clear conscience. We have done all that any country could do to establish peace. The
situation in which no word given to Germany’s ruler could be trusted and no people or country could feel themselves safe has become intolerable."
Britain has made a lot of mistakes over the past 300 years - standing up to Germany was not one of them. Chamberlain may have failed to stamp on Hitler when he re-took the Rhineland but his nation and her allies did not want war. The simple honesty of his speeches show he was a better man that Hitler ever was.
And what's with your false dichotomy that people either agree with your strange interpretation of world affairs or are branded as 'peasants'. Perhaps this sneaky ad hominem expresses your true mind set towards the human race.
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And as you can see so also was the meaning.
Would you please define both coined and invented so the difference between the two is clear? I do not see what you can mean by coined other than invented.
Do you think the folks in the US should take on the rest of the world on the "obvious" meaning of football?
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I am unaware of any law involved which BOTH Russia and Germany violated. Nor am I aware of Britain being judge, jury and executioner in the matter.
Yes, that is what we call a declaration of war. Shall I take this as a concession on the issue of Britain's culpability in starting the war in Europe or is there another point you are trying to make?
You cite Britain's DoW rather than requiring me to look it up and quote it and then claim the fact that it is a declaration of war is a strange interpretation of a fact you have not only demonstrated by apparently conceded.
As to a mistake, had not Germany made the mistake of declaring war on the US just how long do you think the US could have continued to support Britain's chosen misadverture when the entire voting public demanding war on Japan?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Are you claiming the Anschluss referendum did not get 80% in favor in Austria? Are you claiming the vote was rigged? I don't see your point otherwise. If you have evidence against either of those please post it.
Are you suggesting prudent preparation for British agression was wrong?
Another reclamation of part of Germany from foreign military occupation by the cheese-eating frogs. What problem do you see with that?
Repeat same question on the referendum. Looks like self-determination to me.
Are you saying the Rhineland contained Czechs? The Germans forced to live under Czech rule were by all accounts very happy to became German citizens once again. Do you Brittiehuggers always have such a problem with self-determination?
Are you saying he lied? I am shocked, I tell you, Shocked! I have never heard of such a thing. It has never happened before in all history. What is this world coming to? Of course should I find a single example something similar by Britain and as Tu Quoque is now back in action at your initiative ... maybe I can point to the lie about the freedom of India that cause Gandhi to abandon his business suits for robes. After all, that was only 760,000,000 million people, acceptable because they were not White.
And if Britain had not started landing troops in Denmark, security would not have required invasion.
Yes it is true. Germany got to Norway before Britain did. Britain got to Iceland before Germany did. No difference. Neither country invited military occupation by foreigners.
But then Belgium agreed to provide safe passage for British and French troops for their invasion of Germany and you know security trumps non-aggression as you were so kind as to quote.
Yes and all nullified by Britain's and France's declarations of war upon Germany. You pretend Germany was supposed to roll over and play dead in the face of British and French agression.
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Let me make something clear here. All of your sanctimony about WWII may play well in the ears of children and senile veterans. Unjustified aggression upon non-threatening countries against the wishes of the people of any of the countries involved was thoroughly vindicated when the US and Britain invaded and conquered Iraq killing at many as a million innocent Iraqis in the process. By that I include all the innocent Iraqis who were killed defending their country from foreign aggression. It has always been this way.
Wherever you found that list the fact that you would post it shows schoolboy innocence as well as an ignorance of history and a videogame world view of noble heroes going off to slay the evil. World leaders lie and it surprises you. It some how justifies Britain declaring was ONLY only Germany not on Russia and plunging all of Europe into war. That the war Britain chose against Germany was one of rational self-interest in maintaining hegemony over Europe is not in question to non-senile adults. There was no nobility. It was national interest just as the actions of Germany were in its national interest.
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Please post actual data or sources on where Joseph "invented" the word Theocracy.
I didn't say "god(s)" you did.
Your definition is the same as mine. Please post different or stop copying me
Sure, since you can't differentiate between "coined" and "invented" I'll substitute the word "coined" for "influenced".
Oh. HAHAHAHA. You mean like Fútbol? Egad you are simple minded.
that Hitler said one thing and did another, that he claimed to be non aggressive but in domestic and foreign policy, he acted in a highly aggressive manner. Again, you ignore the words the man and his followers actually said, and rely on ad hominem to support your interpretation. Agree with me says Nony, or you are a peasant, a schoolboy, a drooling imbecile of another stripe. I assume you've never read Mein Kampf and if you had you'd probably interpret the book in some benign way? Lebensraum anyone? You are operating without context. You seem oblivious to German involvement in the Spanish Civil War. You pretend they were not 'tooling up' for the big one. You ignore the way in which Hitler ran over the top of the German constitution. The way he slaughtered innocent citizens of his own nation pre-war in the tens of thousands. Were all these poor folk English spies?
The general position of historians is not that Britain was the aggressor in the lead up to world war 2 but practised, along with the rest of Europe, the League of Nations and the United States of America, a policy of appeasement that in Britain's weakened state was pretty much the only available option. Britain was not the great leader. She was simply the last man standing. If not for the channel she would have be utterly crushed. Britain had no military power to speak of after the Depression years and no appreciable war industry. She was almost completely disarmed. Only a person operating with the most vigorous confirmation bias could possibly claim Britain actively sought war with Germany or pretended to have hegemony over any part of Europe in the 1930s. Modern Britain has never had hegemony over any significant part of Europe and the idea she could force the issue with France or Germany in this period is unsupported.
Reading your comments - which seem to justify all German actions in the lead up to world war 2 - I wonder if you support all german actions throughout WW2. Is there anything about german behaviour pre-war with which you are uncomfortable? Anything during the war that bothers you? Apparently you feel Hitler was not a psychopath but merely very nervous about all the nasty English with their ten divisions of gap-toothed redcoats. Gee, I'd hate the Germans to come looking for territory anywhere near me. No doubt the invasion of Australia in 1788 would justify any atrocity against the current incumbent population all the while hostile German actions were completely unquestioned by the peculiar simultaneous extreme left/extreme right Pilger-ism of Nony.
Just because the business of Iraq was wrong you are not free to conclude somehow the lead up to WW2 was a perfect parallel. The facts do not support your bald assertion. I hardly need point out that the only part of Denmark occupied by Britain was the Faroe Islands, with a population of 11 seagulls and 1 jelly fish, and this move was made after the German invasion of the mainland. Norway in the meantime, actively supported the western allies throughout the war of her own volition and at her own risk, as did the neutral Swedes.
I'm glad you agree security trumps non aggression - this means Britain was right to ask Germany to lay off Poland. Right to feeling Germany's coshing her neighbours was ultimately a threat to her own sovereignty. Evidently, France thought so, too. As did Stalin, who immediately began to prepare for war with Germany after Poland. You are, rightly, outspoken in support of the sovereignty of India. But do you support the sovereignty of the low countries, of Poland? France? Russia? Greece? Or were all these nations deserving recipients of the Nazi anal probe?
And don't call me a Brittie-hugger you great nong. I'm a highland Scot, so I'm bloody British in the same way Chinese outside of China are ethnically Chinese, and Africans OS are ethnically African. My family's 150 years in the antipodes doesn't cancel out 18,000 years of genetic history. And I'm not insulted by my support of the facts.
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Let me repeat. Britain CHOSE to declare war on Germany. You have confirmed that fact.
I stipulate the Nazis were not nice people. They were socialists. Socialists are only one cut above communists on the better dead list.
I am not responsible for people who do not understand what a declaration of war means.
Where did I say Britain sought the war with Germany. I said what you were do kind to quote, Britain DECLARED war on Germany. It did not seek it nor promote it. Britain declared it.
If that is the case you obviously are ignorant of when Britain declared war and what it did as you cited only statements BEFORE the war and actions responding to Britain AFTER it declared war.
You did not cite any actions. You implied sort of that Austria did not overwhelmingly vote to unite with Germany. If that is a problem, blame the Austrians.
I did not say occupied Denmark. I said occupied Iceland. That Iceland was a territory of Denmark at the time will be taken any any way that absolves the Brits of all but the most altruistic motives. The king of Denmark was kind enough to wish the Icelandics good luck with the Brits. I know Americans later relieved them.
Are you talking about the same Norway that supplied Germany with most of its iron ore during the war? That being the reason the Brits planned to save them by invading them.
A scot with a love of being forced into war by the English. Has Scotland ever formally thanked the English for their war dead? How are they doing on your independence? Still off in the indefinite future? Or do you still have to worry about the faction trying to abolish your parliament again?
Of course Britian had a right to ask and of course Britain had a right to declare war both of which it exercised. And it had a right to suffer the consequences of doing so which it did. We agree Britain started the war. That is what a declaration of same does.
Britain's right to ask after Poland does not justify claiming it was exerting any other force on any other country. The Anti Communist International Pact has been signed by its neighbors years before. Of course this is different than Russia which not only attacked Poland but the three Baltics and Finnland which was just fine with Britain. Germany one country. Russia five countries. Maybe the Brits took only one as a sign of weakness. It must have been something like that because that drunken, clinically depressed Churchill covered up for Russia in the Katyn Woods massacre.
Speaking of mental problems, Churchill is about as low as you could get when his depression was so bad he couldn't get out of bed at times and kept himself perpetually drunk and never made a sober decision during the entire war that has been documented. Would a sober man have ordered bombing civilians (Hamburg and others) knowing for a fact Hitler would eventually have to respond? Yes, I know the British planes only had a series of misfortunate events while Germany did it deliberately. Don't bother with the silly litany of drunken excuses. I've heard them all.
A war started an ass with a brain tumor and run by a drunk. Gotta hand it to the indoctrination abilities of your grade schools. Their methods last a lifetime.
Just don't whine about stupid decisions by a country unprepared for war. Don't whine that they landed troops in Denmark and made Denmark a legitimate target. Did the Danes actually agree or were they threatened of the consequences of resisting like having their shipping blockaded? That is another act of war by Britain.
When Britain was assembling a fleet to take over Norway it is only children who will accuse Germany of being evil for doing the same thing first. Only evil people did not let the Brits take over any country it wished like Iceland.
The fact that Britain did NOT declare war on Russia for the same invasion of Poland for the same reason is positive evidence it did not give a damn about Poland but rather wanted a war against Germany which it then proceeded to declare. Only peasants are dumb enough to believe the excuses.
To hear you say it, Germany could have ordered Britain to abandon India and if it refused war would have been justified. What a strange position.
As to any view of mental state that of Chamberlain is still in question until the obvoius questions regarding the tumor are satisfactorily addressed -- unless of course you are still saying Chamberlain could not have done what Blair did in regard to Iraq.
I know you were raised on this crap, right from the pen of Winston from Airstrip One. The fifteen minutes of hate were directed towards Hitler when he was creating the propaganda. You were taught that a declaration of war meant seeking peace. But you are an adult now. You should not still be hating Big Brother even if his name is Big Adolf. You should start thinking for yourself. You are anonymous here. No one is going to report you to your neighbours.
It became a war to preserve the British and French empires while both preserving and expanding the Soviet empire. That is what it did. The US was drawn into because Germany declared war on the US. FDR may be excused for supporting Russia if it was to kill off the Communists instead of Americans. Maybe if he had lived he would have drafted the German POWs and smashed communism. But saving American lives was the only excuse.
If I must look it up I will find the name of the treaty between Britain and France from 1906 or 1910 that formed the alliance to dominate Europe. Credit is usually given to one of your kings for creating the treaty. Your history should have covered it.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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