A new drug hits the streets

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A new drug hits the streets

I know there is strong legalize drugs crowd here but I am sure you can agree this is not one of the drugs you should legalize.

 

It is called Krokodil. The effects can be seen in the video, NSFW.

 

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New drug has hit the streets of Russia,its called krokodil because its turns flesh gang green and scaly ! This drug is horrific !.I hope s*it like this never hits the streets of the usa. Because a dose only cost about 3 dollars U.S and you will eventually loose your limbs like this poor guy !

 

NSFW! Enjoy.

 

 

 

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 Having never heard of the

 Having never heard of the drug I did a quick google search. Turns out it is a derivative of morphine and is basically a cooking technique to make up for a substantially cut supply of opium. If anything, this reaffirms to me that the push to fight drugs by aggressively attacking the supply is doomed to fail. If someone is literally willing to lose a leg to get high, what makes you imagine that any law or punishment we can dream up will stop them? Any time the government makes a small advancement in reducing a drug, some chemist creates a new drug.

 

The only way to effectively deal with the drug problem is to deal with the demand. That means reaching out to the people who are this desperate and offering assistance to get them off drugs. Making them into criminals isn't solving anything. For the suppliers, there is too much money to imagine they can ever be eliminated. One goes down, another rises. The only thing the "war on drugs" has done is make the drug trade more violent. The only way to reduce the supply is to reduce the demand. That means education and assistance, not jail terms. 

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I agree with pretty much

I agree with pretty much everything you said. But at the same time a government cannot be dealing in something that is going to rot off peoples limbs. I can live with other drugs being legal but not stuff like this.

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Beyond Saving wrote:The only

Beyond Saving wrote:

The only thing the "war on drugs" has done is make the drug trade more violent. The only way to reduce the supply is to reduce the demand. That means education and assistance, not jail terms. 

You've probably heard this but...

The "war on drugs" is over, the drugs won.

 

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I was curious as to why

I was curious as to why people would even take a drug that rots off limbs. It appears that people are using this drug because Russia was "won" the war on drugs. By that I mean they have cut the amount of heroin coming into the country driving the price up making it unobtainable to the poor. So they are using cheaper alternatives. This is an example of one of the alternatives.

 

p.s. appearently the drug is not new at all, just a recent swing in noteriety.

also According to word on the webs, it can take about a year to start losing body parts. So this is not even a long time thing.

 

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Time Magazine article Jun 20, 2011

Time magazine article. How utterly awful.

The new arrivals at the drug rehab center in Chichevo, a tiny village that is a two hours' drive east of Moscow, are usually given two weeks without chores to recover from the nausea, pain and sleeplessness of withdrawal. After that, between Bible study and prayer (the center is run by Pentecostals), they have to start chopping firewood, hauling water from the village well or otherwise helping around the old wooden house. But a lot more leeway was allowed in the case of Irina Pavlova, the only resident at the center who is addicted to krokodil, or crocodile, Russia's deadliest new designer drug.

There is no good medical explanation for why Pavlova survived her addiction. The average user of krokodil, a dirty cousin of morphine that is spreading like a virus among Russian youth, does not live longer than two or three years, and the few who manage to quit usually come away disfigured. But Pavlova says she injected the drug nearly every day for six years, having learned to cook it in her brother's kitchen. "God must have protected me," she says. But the addiction still left some of its trademark scars. She developed a speech impediment, and her pale blue eyes have something of a lobotomy patient's vacant gaze. "Her motor skills are shot from the brain damage," says Andrei Yatsenko, the house manager, who was addicted to heroin for seven years. "She'll try to walk forward and instead jolts back into something. So we try to be gentle with her."

As typically happens in Russia, Pavlova began her drug use as a teenager shooting a substance called khanka, a tarlike opiate cooked from poppy bulbs, then graduated to heroin and finally, at the age of 27, switched to krokodil, because it has roughly the same effect as heroin but is at least three times cheaper and extremely easy to make. The active component is codeine, a widely sold over-the-counter painkiller that is not toxic on its own. But to produce krokodil, whose medical name is desomorphine, addicts mix it with ingredients including gasoline, paint thinner, hydrochloric acid, iodine and red phosphorous, which they scrape from the striking pads on matchboxes. In 2010, between a few hundred thousand and a million people, according to various official estimates, were injecting the resulting substance into their veins in Russia, so far the only country in the world to see the drug grow into an epidemic.

It seems to have first appeared in Siberia and the Russian Far East around 2002, but only in the past three years has it spread throughout the country. Since 2009, the amount of krokodil seized in Russia has increased 23-fold, according to the head of the Federal Drug Control Service, Viktor Ivanov. In the first three months of this year alone, the service says, it confiscated 65 million doses. "As recently as five years ago, there were only one-off instances of catching this drug," Ivanov told a meeting on April 18 attended by President Dmitri Medvedev and other top officials. Medvedev then turned to his tablet computer and searched the Internet for krokodil. The search engine gave him a list of recipes and instructions on how to cook it. "What does this mean?" he demanded. "Most people are not just looking for what desomorphine is, but how they can use it." Two of the governors at the meeting then informed him that krokodil accounts for about half of all addictions and drug-related deaths in their regions. In some provinces, Ivanov chimed in, it "has practically pushed out traditional opiates."

Predictably, it has spread the fastest in the poorest and most remote parts of the country, like Vorkuta, Pavlova's hometown, a former Gulag prison camp about 100 miles (161 km) north of the Arctic Circle. The winters there last eight months of the year, and as Pavlova recalls, the young people are in a constant state of boredom. Most of them drink and few of them work, the same as in hundreds of towns and villages across Russia's frozen north. Besides her, Pavlova says there were about a dozen krokodil addicts she hung around with, including her brother. "Practically all of them are dead now," she says. "For some it led to pneumonia, some got blood poisoning, some had an artery burst in their heart, some got meningitis, others simply rot."

The "rotting" explains the drug's nickname. At the injection site, which can be anywhere from the feet to the forehead, the addict's skin becomes greenish and scaly, like a crocodile's, as blood vessels burst and the surrounding tissue dies. Gangrene and amputations are a common result, while porous bone tissue, especially in the lower jaw, often starts to dissipate, eaten up by the drug's acidity. For Pavlova, the breaking point came in 2008, when she holed herself up in her brother's apartment for two weeks and did almost nothing but cook the drug and inject it into the femoral artery in her groin. "The high lasts about an hour and a half, and it takes about an hour to cook it. So I was basically cooking and shooting 24 hours a day," she says. By the end of the binge, gangrene had begun to develop around her groin and blood poisoning was setting in. She was rushed to the emergency room, then transferred to the detox ward, where a pair of Pentecostals were inviting addicts to rehab. Pavlova agreed

A sad peculiarity of the rehab system in Russia is that the government does little to help. Medvedev's meeting in April has led to a meandering public debate about the need to ban codeine or impose mandatory drug testing in schools, and a plan is in the works to create the state's first network of rehabilitation clinics over the next few years. But so far the Health Ministry runs only a handful of live-in rehab centers for an estimated 2.5 million drug addicts, most of whom still use heroin. The Russian union of Evangelical Christians, which is dominated by the Pentecostals, runs more than 500 centers with no assistance from the state, making them the largest provider of rehab in Russia.

To get Pavlova away from potential relapse triggers — such as the pharmacies where she once bought codeine or the stairways where she used to shoot up — the Evangelicals transferred her to the Chichevo center in the suburbs of Moscow, a three-story cottage that seems like a throwback to the 19th century, with a wood-burning stove in the kitchen and a traditional bathhouse, or banya, that the residents built for themselves in the yard. Vast fields and forests of pine and birch separate Chichevo from the nearest town. But in 2009, when the cravings became unendurable near the end of her first stint in rehab, Pavlova managed to hitchhike her way to Moscow and catch a train back to Vorkuta to get high. She is now a week away from finishing her second course of rehabilitation. The cravings, she says, have finally passed. "I can't go back to that. I was beautiful when I started out, but what happened ..." The thought dangles for a moment. "It was like living in a horrible swamp."

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ex-minister wrote:After

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After that, between Bible study and prayer (the center is run by Pentecostals)...

I'd rather lose an arm.

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Sapient wrote:ex-minister

Sapient wrote:

ex-minister wrote:

After that, between Bible study and prayer (the center is run by Pentecostals)...

I'd rather lose an arm.

I choose the arm, I am very attached to them I am afraid.

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I'm not getting any sound in

I'm not getting any sound in that video and my volume is turned all the way up.  It doesn't help that it's in Russian so the sound would really help assuming it's dubbed.

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JesusNEVERexisted wrote:I'm

JesusNEVERexisted wrote:

I'm not getting any sound in that video and my volume is turned all the way up.  It doesn't help that it's in Russian so the sound would really help assuming it's dubbed.

I dont think there is any sound. The picture says enough though.

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Tapey wrote:I dont think

Tapey wrote:

I dont think there is any sound. The picture says enough though.

Yeah. That picture is enough to put one off of their food for a couple of days.

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Beyond Saving wrote: Having

Beyond Saving wrote:

 Having never heard of the drug I did a quick google search. Turns out it is a derivative of morphine and is basically a cooking technique to make up for a substantially cut supply of opium. If anything, this reaffirms to me that the push to fight drugs by aggressively attacking the supply is doomed to fail. If someone is literally willing to lose a leg to get high, what makes you imagine that any law or punishment we can dream up will stop them? Any time the government makes a small advancement in reducing a drug, some chemist creates a new drug.

 

The only way to effectively deal with the drug problem is to deal with the demand. That means reaching out to the people who are this desperate and offering assistance to get them off drugs. Making them into criminals isn't solving anything. For the suppliers, there is too much money to imagine they can ever be eliminated. One goes down, another rises. The only thing the "war on drugs" has done is make the drug trade more violent. The only way to reduce the supply is to reduce the demand. That means education and assistance, not jail terms. 

Wow, Beyond. With your somewhat 'conservative'-ish views on other topics, I didn't expect you to write something like that. I totally agree. If you look at European and Scandinavian countries where they've decriminalized drug addiction, they are seriously light-years ahead of treating the actual problem, compared to the US.

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