Extinction of all religion.

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Extinction of all religion.

Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says

Half-empty church In the UK, Wales has the highest proportion of religiously "non-affiliated"  

A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.

The team's mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

Nonlinear dynamics is invoked to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.

One of the team, Daniel Abrams of Northwestern University, put forth a similar model in 2003 to put a numerical basis behind the decline of lesser-spoken world languages.

At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the "utility" of speaking one instead of another.

"The idea is pretty simple," said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, and the University of Arizona.

"It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility.

"For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not."

A man fills in a census formSome of the census data the team used date from the 19th century

Dr Wiener continued: "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%."

The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the "non-religious" category.

They found, in a study published online, that those parameters were similar across all the countries studied, suggesting that similar behaviour drives the mathematics in all of them.

And in all the countries, the indications were that religion was headed toward extinction.

However, Dr Wiener told the conference that the team was working to update the model with a "network structure" more representative of the one at work in the world.

"Obviously we don't really believe this is the network structure of a modern society, where each person is influenced equally by all the other people in society," he said.

However, he told BBC News that he thought it was "a suggestive result".

"It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going.

 

"Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out."

 

*crosses fingers*

 

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Let us all hope that as the

Let us all hope that as the years progress, this post will have legitamacy as we confirm that religion is in the decline.

 

It seems that way.  There are more of us than there were 100 years ago, but is that only because more people have been born??

 

The world needs to wake up.

 

thanks for the post, it was interesting.

 

 

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mrOriginal wrote:There are

mrOriginal wrote:

There are more of us than there were 100 years ago, but is that only because more people have been born??

 

 

I'm sure the statistics involved figured in the population increase.  These science people are pretty smart sometimes.

 

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I don't think religions go

I don't think religions go extinct just by losing favour with the population. It still has the possibility of making a comeback. I think the only way a religion actually goes extinct is when there are no records or artifacts of it's existence.


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Ciarin wrote:I don't think

Ciarin wrote:

I don't think religions go extinct just by losing favour with the population. It still has the possibility of making a comeback. I think the only way a religion actually goes extinct is when there are no records or artifacts of it's existence.

 

Agreed.

 

That and/or the extinction of the human race. I doubt there are any baboons or orangutans that give a poop about religion.

 

Regarding religion itself and the extinction thereof, there are still people who worship the Greek gods and goddesses.

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The revival of a "weekend"

The revival of a "weekend" version of Druidism would suggest that religion is more a function of what people what to believe than anything else. So we'd have to have a whole new type of human to get rid of religion completely. We should be working toward getting religion into the non-authoritative position it deserves right now, and keep hoping people will get smarter in the future.


 


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Ciarin wrote:I don't think

Ciarin wrote:

I don't think religions go extinct just by losing favour with the population. It still has the possibility of making a comeback. I think the only way a religion actually goes extinct is when there are no records or artifacts of it's existence.

 

Perhaps not extinct, but declined to the point where it's influence on society is negligible. Hopefully one day the thought of teaching Creationism in a public school will be as hilarious to everyone else as it is to me.


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Hi OP

Hi OP,

The term religion is no longer a functional term. The term is dead. Anyway, I hope religions dies out. Especially the Occult religions, that would help up so much.

But I doubt it. The Occult is on the rise. Look at all those teen vampire shows and movies. Plus, Monarch Programming is also increasing. We see Lady Gaga making the occult popular.

So the Witch on here will fit right in for a short while.

My very friend when I was a teenager was actually exposing the programming from the occult. He was a deprogrammer. Anyway, he was framed and was sent to prison for having anti government literature and a device to grow pot (also grows tomatoes).

I remember going to an Occult house with a lady with MPD/DID. Perhaps this story is for another time.

Anyway, He is to get out of prison in 3 days and has been in prison for over 10 years. They may kill him, we will wait to see.

So my point is simple. Religion as a term is dead. But the occult is growing generationally and in the realm of anarchy.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).


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Jean's 'very friend'

Jean Chauvin wrote:
My very friend when I was a teenager was actually exposing the programming from the occult. He was a deprogrammer. Anyway, he was framed and was sent to prison for having anti government literature and a device to grow pot (also grows tomatoes).

 

I heard he went to prison for having sex with underage boys. How 'very friend' was he with you, Jean? Show me on the doll where the bad man touched you, dear. 

 


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I'm not as concerned about

I'm not as concerned about religion as I am about fundamentalism.

Religion is just another form of ignorance. But fundamentalists use this as a shield, in order to justify their authoritarian agenda of social dominance.


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 As a citizen of Czech

 As a citizen of Czech Republic, I see both sides. There is a plenty of religious people here, specially in borderland regions. (poorer, less educated, less willing to move away from parents) But you can go through elementary and middle education without knowing who is religious and who isn't.

I think they're entering hibernation mode. Religious families keep to themselves, to preserve religion, but at the same time, they lose contacts with society. They know that if their children move away, 70% of them will lose religion between 18 and 21 years. This is basically what the Christian youth groups are, dating and social groups that make sure their dear children will mary an evangelical, preferably one nearby and therefore easily pressurable.

If a young doubting Christian woman will mary another doubter from far away, who doesn't give rat's ass about what local hillbillies think about his non-religion, then there may appear a non-religious, unbaptisted family. A subversion cell in faithland. That's basically how me and my brothers got to our proud non-baptism, despite of outer family and social pressure. They've got non-religious girlfriends and maybe one day, also non-religious children.

Once Christians start to isolate like that, they can not win over new members, they can only make them out of their children. 70% of whom will see the light (as a particular wavelength of EM radiation) once they get out of home. Or surf at certain websites. Or pay attention at school and notice that there's more invisible to the emperor than just clothes. 

I think there is a natural mechanism in our society, that children in puberty take their parents less and less seriously and turn to outer role models in society. This is how closed Christians group may eventually degenerate, once the old faithfuls will die or end up senile. They are fundies, because they had to suffer for their faith during communistic persecution. Young generations take their freedom of faith for granted, so they won't make a big deal about it. Everyone else's going to hell, so what?

Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.