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Theists ; Time to grab a clue...
Posted on: March 18, 2011 - 9:07pm
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Theists ; Time to grab a clue...
For f**k sakes. Just "Think about it" Not just some of it. All of it...
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There's no heaven or hell in my beliefs. The reward for living a good fulfilling life is that you get remembered well by those that live on. The only punishments for being a villain is whatever the criminal justice system finds for you. Yes my religion is a minority. Not because of it's lack of reward or punishment, but because it was stamped out of existence by the ruling class(christianity was a better system of control, imo), and eventually outlawed. It's making a bit of a comeback, though. The heathen movement started a couple of decades ago. But it's not like we go out and proselytize to get more members.
Wikipedia does not back up your claim that religions are popular for their reward/punishment. Correlation does not equal causation. PLease cite a study or peer reviewed article that agrees with your claim, otherwise we can just agree to disagree on the topic.
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As if your agreement, or disagreement, means squat, in reality
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I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
Look, I know you have a crush on me, but how's about letting the grown-ups talk for a moment without your inane interruptions, m'kay?
kthxbye
ciarin.com
Your religion had few adherents and the adherents were not as fanatical. That's what heaven and hell does, drive people to violence to push their religion. The rewards and punishments of your religion the same as atheism, so what's the point? Why have magical beliefs unless there is a reward?
No reward in winning souls. Another reason it's not popular.
In modern psychology, it's assumed that all animal and human behaviors are motivated by an expectation of reward/avoidance of punishment. Are they missing something, is there some other motivation? Please tell us what it could possible be.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Good job not showing evidence. I guess we'll just disagree then.
I remember that time well. I was doing the 'trek convention thing (as a Klingon) at the time and there were a bunch of neopagans in my group. I started a competing religion just for shits and giggles. In all honesty, it never occurred to me to write up anything about an afterlife, so I would say with all the authority invested in me by well, me, that the reward structure is that if you do well, your enemies will die and if you do poorly, you will die.
Not that I am agreeing with you or anything but it is certainly possible for a religion to have no concept of an afterlife.
That was over 15 years ago and oddly, I still get the occasional email from someone who claims to be an adherent to my musings.
For the record, there used to be 52 Klingon gods. I say “used to” because my character had the balls to commit deo/genocide.
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Here is a summary of all leading theories of motivation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation
All theories assume humans and animals are motivated by rewards and punishments as a priori. All behavioral scientists like Skinner, Pavlov have assumed and performed experiments on behavior assuming that all human and animal behavior is motivated by rewards/punishments.
Now if you deny my claim that people are motivated to religious adherence by expectation of reward/punishment, you must be claiming that human behavior can be motivated by something other than rewards/punishments, right? This would be a completely new theory of motivation. What is this motivation and how does it work? Is there any science behind this?
What is a theory of human behavior to explain your religious beliefs and practice?
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Nowhere I indicated or implied I mean the Abrahamic god.