It is of course a diffcult study, because these are advanced textbooks and not Eckhart Tolle.

Luminon wrote:

It is of course a diffcult study, because these are advanced textbooks and not Eckhart Tolle.

And the practical applications of such a study would be what exactly ?

Luminon,

I could be totally wrong here, but if some of the attributes described above for the soul (i.e. creativity and imagination) were to be gravely affected by say, a stroke or impairment of the brain,wouldn't that imply, that if a soul exists, that there would have to be some sort of connection between the mental outlook of the brain and the person's soul ? Granted, you have a point about people not utilizing creativity, intuition and imagination, but how do you necessarily arrive at the conclusion that these particular things stem from a person's soul ? Are you saying that the brain is responsible for more base instincts and the soul is responsible for the more deeper aspects of human nature ? How do you arrive at these conclusions ?

That would be advancement in fields of medicine like neurology, psychology, and so on.

The brain is not a magical machine for creating a meaningful content. Most of people are not very creative, they prefer to follow leaders and ideologies, to watch TV shows, to read books instead of writing them. Hell, I always enjoyed writing essays and wrote them long, while other classmates had no idea what to write about.

The psychology shall become one of leading sciences, and the main one to estabilish a new better culture. This culture will be based on peace, simplicity and great increase in quality of life and health. Education will not be meant for job, making money and retiring, but to achieve self-realization in whatever we're good at. (while getting along with others) Such an objective advanced psychology will be needed to recognize most suitable individuals for public offices and other important positions. As I said, this advanced psychology will be used to train people's geniality whenever possible, to make them more intelligent, loving and powerful each according to their individuality. Of course, advanced psychology will eliminate all drug addiction, most of crime, domestic violence, vandalism, and so on.  Cities will be rebuilt to nice shapes and functions, because the effect of hideous urban sprawl on human psyche will be known.

Also, the result will be cracking the case of why shit happens. The laws of the shit happening or not happening in people's lives will be known and utilized to make the shit happen as little as possible. Nobody will then say "shit happens" as a sorry excuse for everything, but "shit happens because of that and that". In past primitive people said "shit happens" when they saw lightning or solar eclipse. But later they understood the principles of that particular shit happening and so it will be in the unconquered area of human life. Art of living, it shall be called. 

They are of course emotionally creative... sort of. Their emotions have various quality and mostly they're just reactions on external stimuli.

A good example of the "meaningful content" I think we may agree upon is a scientific discovery. A computer will not suggest new hypotheses for us, follow them, prove them and receive a Nobel prize.

It's just too much to say in a few words and make it not sound like a vague cultish propaganda.

When I give talks to interested friends on this subject, it usually takes a couple of several hour long sessions until they grasp the basics. It's really better to give them a book, but they're not fond of e-books and English.

Yeah, but even they have a potential for improvement and self-realization. And their soul is as good as mine.

Heh That's not the point,

There is no algorithm for scientific inquiry, artistic inspiration or business planning - in short - original creativity.

Furthermore, I received some data by consulting a reliable psychic - succesfully, they support the WIMP theory as I recently suddenly realized.

I will probably have to ask some questions about physics, optics and so on... And hope someone will explain it in layman's words, not equations.

I hope I won't end up like my president, a politician ridiculed for dabbling into ecology and global warming

Well, this actually isn't vacuous or pseudo-mystical. It's in a textbook style, that means technical terms are systematically coined, defined, related to each other and to the world. It's a lot of interrelated data to fit into the head at once. Nothing for lazy minds.

You mean, like we can one day build a computer that will fall asleep, have a dream of a devil playing the violin next to the cover case and after waking up the computer will compose a mp3 file?

Not just any psychic.

I consulted my trusted oracle that proved herself infallible so far, (in past 10 years) incorruptible, unbiased (because uninterested and very very busy) and helped me a lot with other issues. So a couple of times I managed to get her to test my ideas about the physics of etheric (dark) matter. I keep these results in mind all the time and recently I found out that they totally agree with WIMP theory.
The limitation is, that this method of testing is rather limited, it really depends if I can ask the right question, ideally with a yes/no answer or a numeric or percentage answer.

For example, I questioned a sample of etheric matter at my disposal

and I let her test its element composition - according to proton numbers and number of atoms from every found element. The results were most enlightening and puzzling at the same time because of the new possibilities.
Such is the nature of highest and rarest type of clairvoyance. It gives instant answers on almost anything, whatever scientists may search for decades, I'd just need to ask the right questions someone who has a good two-way connection to the almost omniscient Soul. And get a permission for asking, of course.

The natural kingdom that human souls live in is closer than society, the souls are all interconnected. Together they form sort of an "internet" with great deal of wisdom or talents of all kinds. It's just a problem to download the wisdom and give it a concrete form. Yes, no, or numeric scale is the simpliest form, with our limited means.

Yes, that's because Scientology was written by a sci-fi writer, they create their fictional universes pretty systematic. (OK, I can feel the sarcasm now too) The theory I mean is pretty much about everything. The parts that would interest you the most are probably the sciencey books, psychology and cosmology.

I don't know what aspect would interest you the most...

For example, when interpreted by the esoteric theory, the world suddenly starts giving a sense, much of the hidden sense is revealed in obscure religious statements, in evolution, in coming and going of civilizations, in cultural tendencies, in national mentalities, in personal virtues and vices, and so on. As I said, it's pretty much about everything There is no need to say "shit happens" or "we may never know that",  these books suggest a possible answer on such questions. There are of course seeming paradoxes and complex and boring areas, but as far as I was able to verify, it is correct.

I posed several questions about a specific etheric substance, that has very fascinating properties and is very comfortable for me to obtain and work with.

Well, firstly it hinted that my oracle is correct as always and I got a lot of related information of more private and esoteric character.

Secondly, I got quite surprised that etheric matter is actually more massive, I thought it is less massive because it feels like that. But at the same time, its electron orbitals reach for a greater distance, its molecular structure is more spaced, so actually objects of the same size may be much less massive than with our atomic density... Thirdly, I can now link my hypotheses to a couple more actual scientific theories and facts. Fourthly, scientists so far don't even dare to think that there is such a thing as atomic and molecular dark matter. They think it's just a whole lot of elementary particles flying around, or something. That too, but we should be most concerned with the biospheres that thrive from dark matter and new technologies that it allows to build.

Anyway, apart from many ways that such a contact may fail, the soul is responsible for the person. It will generally not do something that would cause the person to become a millionaire and waste his life in endless alcohol, sex and food.

The soul wants the person as a tool to explore and control the world. If there is a cooperation estabilished, it will provide the person the means necessary for each new step, never more at the same time. People call this "coincidence" or "divine providence". I have seen it in practice...

But it requires a lot of work to set up and wealth received in this way is typically used up in some great altruistic purpose. The one case I remember was, when a monk saw the lottery numbers in a dream, and he needed a lot of money to repair his monastery

Sciencey, as in not actual science ? Science light ? Typo ?

Well, what would interest me is if you could make something work, like science can.

But that's just another way of selling the same hot air that religion, cult or mainstream, has been peddling for ages. I am seriously doing my best here, but I still see no way to distinguish you from your competition.

This specific etheric substance, does it actually exist ?

How hard is it to be correct about a theory that already exists, or about your regular customers for that matter ?

If you're suggesting you've made some kind of far-reaching scientific discovery, then come right out and say it.

And yet that happens quite a lot. What's the problem there ? Faulty soul ? Esoteric interference ?

I too have seen coincidence in practice. I have yet to see a "soul" or "divine providence", but I can find plenty of people trying to sell those ideas, and making a good living of it. "Coincidence" doesn't seem to be very marketable.

It is a science of Hierarchy, not ours. For us it is a reading for our consideration only.

Me too. Science makes things work through lots of money, technology and experts working on it. Yeah, scientific way is the good way.

  Well, as the Tibetyan wrote, the books that I sent out do not demand acceptance. Maybe they are right, truthful and useful, maybe not. It is up to you to verify their truth directly, in practice and through intuition. (...) If this teaching that we pass on will cause a response in enlightened mind of a worker in the world and will fire up his inspiration, then let it be accepted. Otherwise not. If these words will be eventually confirmed and their truth proven by the law of correspondence, then it is all right. But if this will not be so, then let the student does not accept what is said.

Sure. A few clairvoyant or sensitive people noticed it around me without me telling them in advance.

How hard is it to be correct about a theory that already exists, or about your regular customers for that matter ?

Just as hard as working without technology, funding, or even seeing directly what we're trying to work with.

Not quite a discovery, rather a field observation. I'd need someone with better equipment to come along with me and capture the phenomenon and pin it down for everyone to see.

Free will, coincidence, probability, lots of people betting numbers, personal karma and so on. Not a problem at all.

This is not something marketable. People who achieved a lot in their life usually always had some great vision on which they worked. It is therefore good to know exactly what you want, to visualize that life goal and watch out for every opportunity leading towards it. People often don't know what they want, or they don't want anything big. And when yes, they don't visualize the exact form of it happening. And when yes, they miss the opportunities.

Anonymouse, it looks like you're not really interested in the discussion. You don't argue seriously, you don't stick with the point, and you don't try to learn more about the subject.

Not a science for those who didn't yet put it into practice.

Hey, this is basically about dark matter and things even much more subtle and unseen than dark matter. Some scientific experiments are simple, but some require huge particle colliders, underground labs and space telescopes. Guess which one we're talking about?

You're an American, I guess.

In that case you live closer to James DeMeo and Orgone biophysical research lab in Oregon. You  could arrange a meeting and see the evidence of biologic dark matter for yourself. You could even possibly attend an Orgonomy conference in 2011.

This of course does not prove the soul. This only proves the existence of etheric double, an etheric-physical counterpart of our body that usually does not move around much. But it is a beginning, a proof that *something* like that exists and that this line of research is correct.
But you won't see the evidence by asking an unemployed student from post-Soviet country across the sea. If a professional researcher would hire me for 3 months in the summer to research such phenomena, I'd be glad to help.

If a book is a load of bullshit, authors usually try to cover it by convincing the readers' feelings. Here the author only shows that he plays a fair game with the reader. There is no "God wrote this, so obey" in the foreword.

There is no little circle of believers. We are not believers, belief is worthless and we're too busy for something that doesn't work. We have a wide network of independent people across the region and state, and we ocassionally use each others' services. Yes, and it is a proof, for those involved. Evidence is evidence, no matter how many people were there to see it.

I'll put you to the list of passive consumers of evidence who did not help at all. Those will probably have an extra pay.

Whether someone does or doesn't win lottery has nothing to do with the soul. People instead use the soul influence to conquer their vices and develop their virtues of character. They use it to have an influence on the people around, to have their way whether for good or bad. None of those people bothered with studying a psychology, body language and so on, they are impressive on their own.

And are you actually doing it and does it work? Some evidence, please.

Anyway, you can not be sure of the soul's existence, until you experience it. That is a very impressive, mystical experience. If some scientists would have this, I'm sure they would search for the cause. This is not what people normally have. Science does not yet know of the soul, because people contacting it are so few. And yet, in there is probably the ancient reason why people start mystical sects, why they meditate and write obscure texts with hidden meaning which is decipherable only by those with a particular experience.

I'm just trying to find out if there's a subject here at all. There are way too many fields of psuedo-science out there, and I'm not too smart to fall for one of them, so it pays to be careful.

So if me being careful gets on your nerves, well....that just makes me even more careful.

How does an impressive, mystical experience equal a "soul" ? Could just be some really good peyote. Could be any number of things that actually exist.

Science is supposed to work for everybody. Nobody needs special training to watch an electric lightsource.

Neither of us helped with the discovery of electricity, and yet we still get to use it, do experiments with it, etc..

Now who's not arguing seriously ? I just specifically asked you for a cheap experiment to demonstrate any of the things you were talking about. Not just your black matter ideas. Anything you ever talked about here. Are you telling me there's no way ?

And yet with all the tech at their disposal, only orgonomists can detect a bion. And only "trained professionals" can use an E-meter. Same problem.

Then why not share that evidence with people outside the group ?

But you want "extra pay" ?

Again, you still don't need a "soul" for that. Everybody studies psychology, body language and so on, in so far as it's part of everyday life.

Try to argue less like you're talking with an idiot, please. One example:

Anonymouse wrote:

How does an impressive, mystical experience equal a "soul" ? Could just be some really good peyote. Could be any number of things that actually exist.

  *sigh* *facepalm* OK, let's say we presume that the person with a mystical experience is NOT under the influence of peyote or any other hallucinogen (with exception of those naturally produced by brain which may or may not be the case), NOT locked up in asylum and is NOT whacked on head by a blunt instrument or undergoing clinical death. Is that clear enough?

Nobody needs a special training, thanks to misters Galvani, Ampére, Volta, Ohm, Tesla and Edison, and generations of workers of various industries who made all this possible. These people took an observed natural principle (at which stage I'm now, less or more) and through generations of work they literally built it into the world, in a form visible and easy to use for everyone. We consider it today so obvious, that we have no idea how much effort went into the ligt sources.
Now, let's consider there is a new discovery which requires to start that cycle completely anew.

But where there is any accepted work in the field of ethericity? I can just point you at a device that should work sure enough to convince anyone who tries it in practice. Any alternatives I know about are unfortunately in central Europe, far from your reach.

  I don't know. I'm not properly equipped, this is something I can't do by myself, I need something or someone to measure up against me. A reference point, an etalon, a testing method, whatever you want to call it. And I need it here, now, cheap, easy and reliable. That's a lot of demands. Someone else may be better equipped than I am and closer to you. Hell, it seems there are generations of work on etheric technologies ahead of us. And you would want the results right now.

Yes, there may be results, but to see them you must go to places like orgone laboratory in Oregon.

And how do you know that?

Not where I live. Here people just get drunk. Or work all day. Nothing like that.

Some day I'd like to have my brain checked, you know, stuff like neuron activity in various areas, levels of dopamine, acetylcholine and other juices in there. I am pretty sure that it would give many clues on how the soul and subtle bodies interact with the brain. There are of course more people like that, but unlike them I am young but adult, english speaking and curious.

I didn't presume it, some Theosophists did it.

I took their theories and applied it at my life and people's lives. And experiences. Our group's research shows that it fits.

But to prove it to everyone would require to record changes in the activity of brain and endocrine glands. There should be a measurable difference between normal and ensouled person, in this respect.

You also don't need Siddharta Gautama's permission to become enlightened.

Einstein had nothing to do with that, unless he'd somehow computed away the dark matter itself. That was recently indirectly seen and directly heard by careful measurement.

If central Europe isn't from your reach, I'd like you to visit a Energy company representative. These people diagnose you with a woo method better than a laboratory blood test. I'd recommend you to have a blood test before you get diagnosed like that. I once did it and the results were very nice, they said the same things as the blood test and more. But even more impressive is the method of prescription. Just hold a bottle of pills and it measures how much that particular substance in that bottle will help you.
These herbal pills have quite a high quality, they are used by sportsmen like our national hockey club trainer, J. Ruzicka.
The best thing on it is the price. The diagnosis costs just about 2,5 dollars. AFAIK, there are two practitioners I know of in my region

Missing the point again : Something anyone can do. Not just you. So the answer is no ?

No, probably not. Not anyone and not right now, not with the same effort anyway. It will take lots of work, inventing, developing and evolving (and financing) before everyone will be able to experience what only the sensitive people like me experience today. It is possible to find a little technical demonstration here and there, but as I said, that requires some tourism around the world.

Nope, you will be able to try out the device by yourself. It's a portable meter that must work for anyone.

Hey. What kind of nonsense is that?

Cloudbusting with mind? Reich himself was using a damn big machine for that. Lots of metal pipes and wires. And surely some voltage. He used his head for thinking and designing the device, not for sending some cloud-dissipating woo ray.

If I could just put my hand in front of a cloudbuster, I should be able to tell whether it is working or not, if it works at all. But my sources say that Reich's orgone battery or chamber does work. It simply takes advantage of the effect, that orgone tends to get caught up by a material of certain alternating metal and plastic or organic layers.

According to scientific community the orgone is a pseudoscience, but they approve dark matter and cosmic background radiation so excessively strong, that there is no noticeable source of it. These things are also here on Earth, they just get detected in space because there is easier to find things. On Earth there is too much interference unless you know exactly what you're looking for. My information is, that Reich detected parts of that which is called etheric world and parts of which are today known to astrophysics. Of course, Reich's observations are simplistic, he discovered mostly the basic properties and functions of orgone, not what it is exactly made of.

Nope, James de Meo makes less or more standard measuring devices, including common voltmeters and ampermeters. His etheric meter is an experimental device, but works pretty well. It only doesn't have an absolute scale, only in percentage, because there is still not yet an etheric etalon.

I don't think so. I have seen too many local broken alcoholic families to believe that. Signs of the soul-realization

aren't just something we pick from others. They can't be taught by upbringing, it is actually relatively little that parents and society can influence on us. A potential for them is probably inborn (though not inherited) and the development comes up later in life, often in times of great diffculties.

Not into existence, but for the purpose of testing I can presume anything.

That depends on individual effort, interest, invested time and certain natural predispositions for that. Either way, the observation will be subjective, unless someone will scan your brain at the moment.

It seems that Einstein measured a difference in temperatures, but ascribed it to a difference between the temperatures of ceiling and floor. Looks like he didn't repeat the experiment in controlled environment.
I don't know anything about temperature-raising properties of orgone. When it comes to sources on it, I'd rather stick with modern sources on this technology.

Then it's not the stuff I mean. I have met these people personally. I have tried what they can offer and seen how they work. I admit, it was much less of a hassle for me than for a common citizen, because we are acquitances. If you want to know and see, you must keep searching. It will cost some time, effort and money, but there's no replacement for that.

You know the saying, quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. Until a technology develops.

If you do measurements with their device, then you can easily tell the truth.

Then wear a wig, fake beard, dark glasses and change the license number on your car, so the rationality police will not recognize and arrest you for questioning their considerations.

I have seen so many people saing that my chakras and etheric body don't exist, and yet they most tangibly exist.

People can be so blind and wrong, no matter of their education.

So I learned that it is a bad idea to let other people investigate and think for me.

If anyone can tell if these things work, it should be me. I just have to get my hands on such a device.  Or to make one, if I find some blueprints with sizes in metric system and not the damn inches and feet.

If not funding, then just getting my head scanned for the brain activity of me detecting the etheric matter around and within. That should estabilish that there is really something to study and then funding would be possible. But my studies are most important at the moment. I will not do anything to endanger my education. Dropping out of school to boldly go where nobody yet convinced the fearsome skeptics (and will not convince them for the next several years) would be most unwise. I find it simplier to go to school and just gather information along the way. There is still much I don't know about scientific institutions.

Hell, I would love to become a politician or high level administrator (in any case) - and divert a little stream of scientific funding in the way of this research, with me unofficially participating and counseling the group. (preferably some non-cynical enthusiasts just out of the university)

  Yes, but it had no dial, no scale on it,

Perhaps you misunderstood me. Skills like geniality, leadership, creativity and other character features that can be called "divine" are not learned as social skills. Even if they could be, there is nobody around to learn them from. This is why these character traits are rare. Hell, even studies on that are rare. I wonder if any genius had his brain analyzed to catch the creative agency in flagranti.

Hey, slow down a little please and explain me the logical steps of how did you arrive at this conclusion.

So you want to play? All right. Most of people never saw an emperor, because they did not ever meet him, so they never saw his clothes.

But that's the kind of alternative medicine that wants to cure you from having excessive money. Alternative medicine is a wilderness, a quality service can be found either by sheer fortune, trying out lots of things for many years, or getting a good tip from a good friend.

Nope, the "medicine" is a set of methods and substances produced by licensed companies, approved by licensed laboratories in trials done by scientists with titles from licensed universities and are sold at licensed pharmacy stores. It takes several years at least and the process is extremely expensive.

Let's imagine that you're the guy that sits in the chair left by Bill Gates and you say "All working computers are PCs, all working operation systems are  Microsoft Windows. The open-source community does not exist and their code does not compute."

And by the way, the most profitable medicines are these that will never cure anyone. Pills to decrease cholesterol, blood clotting or long-term gastritic acid creations, pills to suppress epilepsy (doesn't work, I had an epileptic roommate once and he had a seizure like every week), and of course "medicine" against asthma and allergy. None of that brings any cure and most of it has nasty side effects. That is not how I imagine "working". (Lipitor, Nexium, Plavix, Advair Diskus, Seroquel, and so on)

Fuck experts for once, when they can't see what's in front of them, it's the time for a generalist to step in and coordinate their efforts together. A discovery of higher forms of material existence (like etheric, for example) will revolutionize most of scientific compartments, but it may also require them to cooperate first.

Of course you won't, because you are not trained.

In your past incarnations of ancient times you were probably chasing girls and quaffing zyme at the nearest watering hole, while I sat in a temple and meditated to achieve this etheric sensitivity of mine.

No need, I can just investigate what the science didn't yet discover. I'll believe in the rest of it.

That's a motor. I'd need the battery that Ben Creme has built and succesfully tried on himself.

They say, know your enemy.

Thanks for the link, I'll look at it soon. I wonder if it will apply, though. Most of geniality does not seem inheritable, with exception of musical geniality. I have heard a rumor that those people get often born in families with traditionally longer fingers and they can reach a greater scale on the piano.

Nope, I and some people I know (even some total strangers) have a plenty of experiences that are according to esotericism experiences of a soul contact. For example, that may include an inner feeling of bliss and love in the central chest area, from the moment I wake up during the day, that somehow weakens and shortens all stress and negative thoughts if any obstacle shows up.

It's all quite a lot about mystical experiences. Standing in a buss or shopping, there I am, having a mystical experience. I am more inclined to occultism, but an occultist understands the way of heart (mysticism) as one of steps on the path. Yes, I know the world is yucky, I'm no hippie, but that strange inner state of unconditional love is in there anyway pretty often. Completely God-free, suitable even for Jesus-allergics and people who's metabolism is incapable of digesting belief. It is quite weird to feel like that and to play a tactical strategy shooter computer game at the same time.

It works only on people who have low demands on their clothes. Which is unfortunately most of them. You know, marketing specialists often don't sell the clothes themselves, or their practical functions. They sell a wonderful self-conscious feeling that you will have wearing the particular clothes. They also sell moments of family fun when driving to Disneyland in a particular car. They even sell a smell of pie baked in a particular oven that they want to sell you. (this one's real piece from marketing training)

Most of people buys into stuff to get a feeling and thrill out of it. So they don't care if their guru changes opinion or is wrong, or is a complete dick. Our people have distanced themselves from such people. We sometimes deliver them certain tasks so there is at least some benefit out of them, but we don't support them.
Each of us is supposed to be an autonomous thinker who looks out for the bullshit and if sees one, doesn't send it further to other group members. People get into or out of the inner group core depending on how much work they can do and how much bullshit they send through.

Because that's how it works.

That is an ideal. An ideal has a long way to the practice and a lot gets lost on this way. Try to apply "whatever works" on laws and market system and you'll see it won't work so smoothly. According to Martin Kuehe from Vermont University, most of medicine is business. The best selling medicines are these which never cure anything. In comparison, things like Ibogain that really cure people from meth addiction are illegal in USA. If doctors would cure people with one pill, who would sell all the rest of the pills? That's not a good market decision.
Pharmacologic corporations should be paid the most when we are healthy, you'd see how the invisible hand of market would finally start working in our favor.

It's a metaphor, get it? Macrosoft = official medicine, free coders = the alternative.

But they also thell you that this is the best chance you ever get.

This is called a warm fuzzy feeling that you get from having a monopoly over the market.

What is an actual discovery? Apparently, it is a discovery that is so much under control, that it can be demonstrated repeatedly as an objective evidence. If it shows up only once when nobody else's looking, you're fucked.

Or when the equipment needed to detect it is someone's brain. People will tweak knobs on technologic detectors to find things, but they will find it diffcult to exercise their own nerve system to discover something. Nerve system is not a standardized tool, for some people it can be incredibly sensitive to dark matter for example, and some people won't even detect a heap of dirty dishes.

You're supposed to be interested in the result and work towards it until you achieve it. Enjoying the process somewhat. It is you that should be your own judge (or excuse maker). It's like playing golf, a gentleman's game. As a critical thinker interested in objective achievements you should be a good judge of the self, if you would be interested in this sort of personal path.

Yeah, I satirize myself

Yeah, it's about positive results, that are more credible. If an elderly professional scientist says that something is possible, then he's most probably right. If he says that something is impossible, he's probably wrong. This is why I mainly trust science when it says that something exists, rather than otherwise. Science says too often about things that they don't exist, even though I have observed them.
It's quite a weird feeling to see James Randi proclaim what everything doesn't exist, while etheric materia swirls between my fingers and my forehead chakra vibrates and hisses.

Well, another attempt at humour. Knowing your enemy is very wise. If both enemies would care to know each other, Christians would see that atheists aren't devil worshippers and baby eaters. Atheists would see that there are rare cases of spiritual people like my group who do a wonderful job with limited tools they have.

Basically, I visit local Christian youth group often with my younger bro' and his gal, so these brainwashed and isolated kids would see what people from the outer world look like, how they think, speak and act. Here among many things I also represent something, but it is fortunately not so important. Locals are great people, smart, fun to read and discuss, they know English and something from most of sciences. Hanging out here is fun, with Christians it's a chore.

Perhaps there's not enough geniuses to study, you can't use average guy from the street. This is not about what parts of brain are there, but how the something that makes us what we are uses these parts. Someone should put electrodes on Stephen Hawking's head when he's making his theories.
All right, I have the document downloaded from Youtube, hopefully the winter exams will be over soon and there will be lots of time during winter solstice holiday season.

the soul of esoteric sense of that word,

described in publications like A Treatise on White Magic: Path of a Disciple by AAB and Master DK. As long as the description fits, there's no reason to give it a new name.

Quality control in hands of "us" only is a bad idea. In this sort of jungle people and their friends themselves must become a quality control of their own.

The problem also is, nobody knows in advance what will work on a health problem and what not. They will find out through multiple attempts. In such cases I prefer alternative medicine, which is less invasive. It doesn't fuck you up so much if the treatment is wrong.

In hospitals they work with many strong substances and mistaking them for each other is too easy in the routine job.

It's easier for me to visit certain well-tried healer or psychic and have prescribed exactly what I need, how much I need, in a moment and without risk.

I regret that in other regions and countries people get ripped off by amateurs, but here I have found a quality service.

Thankfully not, our people are healthy enough to not need doctors. Doctors are good in acute cases (like accidents),

but as for prevention and chronical treatment we don't need them.

I only have testimonies of more distant group members who became victims of a doctor's blunder and came over to alternative medicine.

No, they're inborn and after 20+ years I take it as normal thing. Nothing to get excited about.

Yeah, that sort of thing is called astral sensitivity. It's a primitive form of clairvoyance, a shameful remnant from our animal evolution. It is characteristic for mediums and general New Age community, but we seek to purge it from among us. Our group is one of few that do not cultivate astral sensitivity. We're quite allergic to it, just like you're not enthusiastic about Christianity.

No, it means you're your own judge in the process.  No, it's not useless, it potentizes everything you do, your very impact on the world around. And nobody looks silly doing it, because outwardly it does not require any silly activities besides doing your duty better than otherwise.

Nope, here I am completely serious. It is a thing I easily and clearly perceive every day for many many years. It is an undeniable experience which solidly defines my opinion, as it would do with anyone in my place. But at the same time it makes me realize, that I can not impose this experience on others, just inform them about it.

The weird thing is, that 99,9% of skeptics are sitting on their connection and they consider it a belief and me therefore closed-minded believer. No, it is not a belief, it is a million times repeated physically realistic observation of not quite physical phenomenon. I guess that people like James Randi are too old to understand the difference.

Sell? Don't worry, people come to us, not otherwise. But, would you make an exception in case of a book from our edition? Just asking, hypothetically.

I was actually some time on Christian forum, representing mostly the New Age side. The problem with Christians is, that they have no intellectual capacity.

There are compatible branches of Christianity - Rosicrucianism and Unitarian Universalism (which is compatible with almost everything) but Evangelicals and Catholics don't know anything about them. They don't know anything at all, except of chosen passages of Bible. If I write something, they don't understand, they respond with pre-defined answers or they say they don't know but they believe.

Organized religion is an institution made to protect immature people from dangerous knowledge and emotional and mental insecurity. The problem is, that in 533 CE a byzantine emperor added the doctrine of eternal damnation into Bible and made it a cult of fear. Nowadays even people who could be something more get trapped in this spiritual nursery school.

I found out that with Christians its the best to stick with the basics, which are the simpliest Atheistic arguments and very down-to-earth logic of everyday life. For example, I explain justice on the example of scales (Justitia) where on both sides there must be an equal weight. This is to break their notion of understanding justice as the divine infinite punishment bullshittery.