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Yes. I am 11 years old. But i am Old at heart. And all this God and Jesus crap...wow..

i wasn't raised in a very "Holy" environment. Never went to church.

But if there WAS a god. Why would we have to "Praise" him to show we "Loved him"?

I thought "God/Jesus" could read your MIND..know what was going to happen before it did.

WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO PRAISE HIM THEN?!

if he knew we loved him already,,why make us praise.

what good does that do for him?

And really.,,,

"Who is christ?He is for You!"

if Christ is for me, then, why does he threaten,,,,if i sin i burn in hell.

Yes cause that sounds like he is for me.

God sounds like a Dick.

my answer to all this shit..

Zeitgeist


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If you are an 11 year old from a non theistic family

You sound like you're in the same boat I was in when I was your age. Just remember, keep questioning and keep demanding evidence for claims people try and get you to believe in. From your posts, besides the grammatical errors that go hand in hand with being 11, you sound like a very bright kid. KEEP UP THE SEARCH FOR REASON!

I may have posted this video before on another post, I can't remember, but I think it's a fitting song for a young budding rationalist to keep in mind when it comes to the tactics of the soul-peddlers.

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Hi YoungAtheist

 

How's it going? Yeah - all those are good questions and a lot of people here wrestle with them. The phrase "God is love" is a total crock.

More like "Love me or you're dead". Sounds like a threat to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Atheistextremist wrote:More

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More like "Love me or you're dead". Sounds like a threat to me.

This is the god of the Old Testament. He got mad and killed people left and right, but at least their suffering ended with death. The god of the New Testament kicks it up a notch and says "Love me or I will torture you forever".


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Lol - yeah.

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More like "Love me or you're dead". Sounds like a threat to me.

This is the god of the Old Testament. He got mad and killed people left and right, but at least their suffering ended with death. The god of the New Testament kicks it up a notch and says "Love me or I will torture you forever".

 

Bu a lot of new age christians do believe it'll be just death or the absence of god rather than the incineration. I tend to agree with you that a literal interpretation is warranted.

Jesus threatens with the lake of fire in the book of Mark, so there must be one or he is full or crap.

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Atheistextremist wrote:KSMB

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More like "Love me or you're dead". Sounds like a threat to me.

This is the god of the Old Testament. He got mad and killed people left and right, but at least their suffering ended with death. The god of the New Testament kicks it up a notch and says "Love me or I will torture you forever".

 

Bu a lot of new age christians do believe it'll be just death or the absence of god rather than the incineration. I tend to agree with you that a literal interpretation is warranted.

Jesus threatens with the lake of fire in the book of Mark, so there must be one or he is full or crap.

 

I never understood the hippie justification for hell being anything but literal.  It certainly mentions fire more than once in the Bible.  I think hell being a non-literal concept is something theists came up with when society became uncomfortable with worshiping a torture-god.

 

Oh, and welcome!

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youngnatheist wrote:Yes. I

youngnatheist wrote:

Yes. I am 11 years old. But i am Old at heart. And all this God and Jesus crap...wow..

i wasn't raised in a very "Holy" environment. Never went to church.

But if there WAS a god. Why would we have to "Praise" him to show we "Loved him"?

I thought "God/Jesus" could read your MIND..know what was going to happen before it did.

WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO PRAISE HIM THEN?!

if he knew we loved him already,,why make us praise.

what good does that do for him?

And really.,,,

"Who is christ?He is for You!"

if Christ is for me, then, why does he threaten,,,,if i sin i burn in hell.

Yes cause that sounds like he is for me.

God sounds like a Dick.

my answer to all this shit..

Zeitgeist

Those are all good questions as to rejecting the concept of appeal to authority and certainly make the god character look like an abusive bully, but are not the core reason to accept or reject a claim.

Evidence is the only reason to accept or reject a claim. The best tool humans have is scientific method through replication and falsification and independent peer review.

I think on top of these moral absurdities you mention, you need to also think about the concept of an invisible brain with magical super powers. You need to know what DNA is in that it takes two sets to make a baby so therefore the virgin birth claim is bogus. You need to know what rigor mortis is to know that human flesh cannot survive 3 days of death.

BUT Christianity is not the only religion to claim invisible super brains that reside everywhere and nowhere at the same time. When these claims come along I think of the biology pictures of human brains and deep space pictures and juxtaposed they are completely dissimilar.

You bring up very valid reasons to reject blind following of authority. But this case could be made against Kim Jong Ill and Hitler as well. But the more important thing to do about god claims is to insist that if someone is going to make such claims(by any label) is to focus on replication and falsification and peer review.

There is much more to rejecting a god claim than simple emotional reasons. Scientific scrutiny is far more important. Having said that, I DO agree with rejecting an "authority" be it a claimed god, or political leader, who says "bow to me or I will beat the crap out of you".

Western civil societies governments don't operate like that. Our laws are by the people and by consent and when we don't like certain laws, we work to appeal to our leaders to change them. If we don't like our leaders, we vote them out of office. The God's of Abraham are not gods you can vote out of office.

Just some advise. Thanks for coming here.

 

 

 

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when i was around 11 my

when i was around 11 my faith was strongly challenged by perhaps the greatest anti-christian song ever written: "god of emptiness" by morbid angel.  the lyrics were poignant and, furthermore, to a kid watching headbangers ball when he was supposed to be in bed it fucking rocked.

anybody remember that song?

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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mellestad wrote:I never

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I never understood the hippie justification for hell being anything but literal.  It certainly mentions fire more than once in the Bible.  I think hell being a non-literal concept is something theists came up with when society became uncomfortable with worshiping a torture-god.

 

Oh, and welcome!

What's a"hippie justification"?  I used to be a hippie - sort of - but that was really long ago.  Most of us are all old farts now.

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cj wrote:mellestad wrote:I

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I never understood the hippie justification for hell being anything but literal.  It certainly mentions fire more than once in the Bible.  I think hell being a non-literal concept is something theists came up with when society became uncomfortable with worshiping a torture-god.

 

Oh, and welcome!

What's a"hippie justification"?  I used to be a hippie - sort of - but that was really long ago.  Most of us are all old farts now.

 

The idea that hell is something other than a really horribly, violent place.  Simply a lack of peace and love, instead of a lake of fiery torment.

Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.


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I never understood the hippie justification for hell being anything but literal.  It certainly mentions fire more than once in the Bible.  I think hell being a non-literal concept is something theists came up with when society became uncomfortable with worshiping a torture-god.

 

Oh, and welcome!

What's a"hippie justification"?  I used to be a hippie - sort of - but that was really long ago.  Most of us are all old farts now.

 

The idea that hell is something other than a really horribly, violent place.  Simply a lack of peace and love, instead of a lake of fiery torment.

There is nothing wrong with peace and love.  Humpf, I guess you just can't get away from your upbringing, can you?  Where are my granny glasses and love beads?

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cj wrote:mellestad wrote:cj

cj wrote:

mellestad wrote:

cj wrote:

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I never understood the hippie justification for hell being anything but literal.  It certainly mentions fire more than once in the Bible.  I think hell being a non-literal concept is something theists came up with when society became uncomfortable with worshiping a torture-god.

 

Oh, and welcome!

What's a"hippie justification"?  I used to be a hippie - sort of - but that was really long ago.  Most of us are all old farts now.

 

The idea that hell is something other than a really horribly, violent place.  Simply a lack of peace and love, instead of a lake of fiery torment.

There is nothing wrong with peace and love.  Humpf, I guess you just can't get away from your upbringing, can you?  Where are my granny glasses and love beads?

 

I wish the Bible said, "Hell is the state of mind when a person is not at peace with God."  That is what many modern, liberal theists will claim (or something similar).  But the Bible doesn't say that, it says 'lake of fire'.  I don't understand how they arrived at a non-literal translation.  I understand *why* (because the idea of hell is barbaric and they knew it) they did, just not *how* they did.

Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.


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mellestad wrote:I wish the

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I wish the Bible said, "Hell is the state of mind when a person is not at peace with God."  That is what many modern, liberal theists will claim (or something similar).  But the Bible doesn't say that, it says 'lake of fire'.  I don't understand how they arrived at a non-literal translation.  I understand *why* (because the idea of hell is barbaric and they knew it) they did, just not *how* they did.

Like most of the rest of the '60s, a lot of self-delusion in combination with a lot of weed.

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Wow, you're only 11.Welcome

Wow, you're only 11.

Welcome to the forum.

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


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We got a bright one here.

We got a bright one here.


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Most message board suppliers

Most message board suppliers demand that you have to be at least 13 to register.

This may be in violation of the law.

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Marquis wrote:Most message

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Most message board suppliers demand that you have to be at least 13 to register.

This may be in violation of the law.

yes, bc of bullshit "protect children's privacy" (or words to that effect) laws in the US. If you're under 13, you can't talk about anything, ANYWHERE on the net.

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Kapkao wrote:Marquis

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This may be in violation of the law.

yes, bc of bullshit "protect children's privacy" (or words to that effect) laws in the US.

 

Oh, I don't know that such a law is *bullshit*, Mr. Kapkao.

But then again, I probably think like the parent that I am in this issue. There are many unsavoury characters stalking the internet and I do think that it is necessary to protect (our) children against such harmful influences, until they have developed a moderately reasonable ability to be critical towards strangers bearing gifts. Age 13 is still very young, in my opinion, but at that age most have at the very least developed a budding tendency to be rebellious and say FU, whether this be to their parents or to strangers.

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OK!EVERYONE THAT FEELS LIKE

OK!

EVERYONE THAT FEELS LIKE PREYING ON YOUNGNATHEIST RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND..... YOUR OTHER RIGHT HAND! ok...

ANY FEMALE CHILDLOVER THAT FEELS LIKE TRAVELING BACK IN TIME TO 1994 AND PREYING ON ATHIEST LITTLE ME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND/SAY "AYE". hmmmm... (c'mon! there's gotta be a few takers in the crowd!)

That's all I have to say about this subject, Marquis de Sade!

 

 

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Kapkao wrote:OK!EVERYONE

Kapkao wrote:

OK!

EVERYONE THAT FEELS LIKE PREYING ON YOUNGNATHEIST RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND..... YOUR OTHER RIGHT HAND! ok...

ANY FEMALE CHILDLOVER THAT FEELS LIKE TRAVELING BACK IN TIME TO 1994 AND PREYING ON ATHIEST LITTLE ME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND/SAY "AYE". hmmmm... (c'mon! there's gotta be a few takers in the crowd!)

That's all I have to say about this subject, Marquis de Sade!

 

 

1994??  little you???  so you are around the same age as me!  maybe even younger!  just how old are you?

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(naw, ya think?!) You're about 1-2 years younger than me IIRC

iwbiek wrote:

Kapkao wrote:

OK!

EVERYONE THAT FEELS LIKE PREYING ON YOUNGNATHEIST RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND..... YOUR OTHER RIGHT HAND! ok...

ANY FEMALE CHILDLOVER THAT FEELS LIKE TRAVELING BACK IN TIME TO 1994 AND PREYING ON ATHIEST LITTLE ME, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND/SAY "AYE". hmmmm... (c'mon! there's gotta be a few takers in the crowd!)

That's all I have to say about this subject, Marquis de Sade! 

1994??  little you???  so you are around the same age as me!  maybe even younger!  just how old are you?

26. But for the sake of humor let's add 61 to that and pretend I'm 87!

Whaddya think of that, ya little whippersnapper?

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youngnatheist wrote:Yes. I

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Yes. I am 11 years old. But i am Old at heart. And all this God and Jesus crap...wow..

i wasn't raised in a very "Holy" environment. Never went to church.

But if there WAS a god. Why would we have to "Praise" him to show we "Loved him"?

I thought "God/Jesus" could read your MIND..know what was going to happen before it did.

WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO PRAISE HIM THEN?!

if he knew we loved him already,,why make us praise.

what good does that do for him?

And really.,,,

"Who is christ?He is for You!"

if Christ is for me, then, why does he threaten,,,,if i sin i burn in hell.

Yes cause that sounds like he is for me.

God sounds like a Dick.

my answer to all this shit..

Zeitgeist

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