Toyota and Vista and the global pace of work.

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Toyota and Vista and the global pace of work.

There is something to be said in taking time and slowing down to get things right. In the past decade all over the world, including China, we have seen the rush to compete lead to bad decisions. From pet food recalls in China, to toy recalls from China. And who can forget Window's Vista.  Now Toyota's breaks.

And the casino treatment of Wal Street and banks rush for the quick buck. I think our global problem is that we as a species have a hard time slowing down when it is obvious we should. I think we create more problems for ourselves trying to put cheap products out as the priority rather than insuring that what we produce, is quality.

Economies compete. Business is needed to make things people need. But I don't think we need to turn ourselves into indentured slaves because of the demand for cheep things. Sometimes that rush to make cheap things comes back and bites us on the ass when if we realize that these problems can be avoided by slowing down and giving the designers and workers the time to do it right and the time to make sure what they do is quality.

I don't think the world's global economy should be based on rushing to cheap labor. That rush is causing a rush to the bottom both in the human condition and the quality of products.

 

 

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There is a flaw in

There is a flaw in capitalism. Maximising profits will always lead to lower quality as its cheaper to produce and more people buy the cheap option. People will buy the cheaper option or the expensive one even though it  will come back to bite them im some cases. so if people will buy the lower quality over the high quality thats what will be made. The working class will ge explioted and even so often the working class will have no money and as a result we will have a depression. Marx says it better than i ever could even if he couldn't get anything better going.

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Tapey wrote:There is a flaw

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There is a flaw in capitalism. Maximising profits will always lead to lower quality as its cheaper to produce and more people buy the cheap option. People will buy the cheaper option or the expensive one even though it  will come back to bite them im some cases. so if people will buy the lower quality over the high quality thats what will be made. The working class will ge explioted and even so often the working class will have no money and as a result we will have a depression. Marx says it better than i ever could even if he couldn't get anything better going.

I know that "Capatalism" as it is currently used refers to a form of government system. I don't think it should be used that way. China capitalizes of selling things to others. Saudi Arabia capitalizes off of the sale of oil. "Capitalism" exists in all countries.

Globally however, we seem to be going towards what really amounts to an attitude towards the quick buck and the quick fix. I think that will hurt the world.

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Brian37 wrote:insuring that

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insuring that what we produce, is quality

That's the problem, in a nutshell, right there.

The reason why this seems so problematic to so many, I believe, is that there is simply never enough time. It reminds me of the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland who asserted that you had to run as fast as you could simply to stay still in one place in her realm. We can even say that this is true for all levels of 'things that we produce' such as for instance how we relate to our friends and families; that is to say, the 'production' of conducting ourselves in the social context. There is always something that's in a hurry. There's always something that we needed to say, or do, by yesterday... and yet we have problems fitting it into the agenda for tomorrow.

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Brian37 wrote:Tapey

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There is a flaw in capitalism. Maximising profits will always lead to lower quality as its cheaper to produce and more people buy the cheap option. People will buy the cheaper option or the expensive one even though it  will come back to bite them im some cases. so if people will buy the lower quality over the high quality thats what will be made. The working class will ge explioted and even so often the working class will have no money and as a result we will have a depression. Marx says it better than i ever could even if he couldn't get anything better going.

I know that "Capatalism" as it is currently used refers to a form of government system. I don't think it should be used that way. China capitalizes of selling things to others. Saudi Arabia capitalizes off of the sale of oil. "Capitalism" exists in all countries.

Globally however, we seem to be going towards what really amounts to an attitude towards the quick buck and the quick fix. I think that will hurt the world.

 

Im not quite sure what you mean by you dont think capitalism should be used in that way? I mean capitalism as the economic system apossed to comunism etc. If thats not acceptable then just ignore the rest i supose.

 

Yes i totally agree but that is what capitalism as an economic system in the global and local economy leads to without strict rules, when globally china gains an advantage by having bad labour practises  and alot of money goes into the country because of it having bad labour practises it is just maximising profits which is what capitalism is really all about..... making money, within one country its more managable because of a centeral government puting a minimum wage helping ensure at least a little  quality. but globally countries will want to get a better economy going so they will allow lower wages paid ensuring crappy quality but also meaning they can supply goods at a cheaper price because there is no world government to stop it. Its all about maximising profits and the easiest way to do that is by cuting costs and therein lies a problem with capitalism as a system. Because cutting costs leads to poor quality. Thats not to say other economic systems work better and would ensure a solution to the quick buck. But i thought it worth noting that as an economic system capitalism rewards this.

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You can't have a world

You can't have a world government. For the same reason it would be silly in a public high school to force students to mix all the time and ban clicks. Certainly overlap happens and jocks can get along with science geeks and Cheerleaders can get along with those outside their click. But clicks happen, and that is also part of our species nature. I don't think you can force people on individual levels or on national levels to conform on all aspects.

What can happen that does bridge gaps, is not getting rid of clubs or nations, but making leading by example and seeking overlap the priority instead of the clubs. So it is not an "either or" but a matter of where our species priorities are.

I do get tired of both the left and the right missing this point. You cant fix problems with a silver bullet thinking that "if only they would do it my way". Life is much more complex than labels or nationalism. We cant have one way or the other. I think a better attitude is to seek common ground rather than expect that people have to be like us or the species is doomed.

We are doomed in any case even if we don't take ourselves out. Nature in the form of a meteor or megga volcano or solar conditions, will get us even if we don't nuke ourselves or pollute ourselves into extinction.

We are social animals and all of us will flock to that which we are accustom to. The key is to foster an attitude of recognizing that as part of our nature, without making it the priority. I think once we put pragmatism and problem solving above labels, the labels can, which the will exist no matter what, can exist without getting in the way of the problem solving our species needs to focus on.

A one world government is a bad idea. Nationalism is a bad priority. Seeking global problem solving should also recognize that clubs will exist but that our common interest is more important. I think you have to foster individuality and balance it with common ground. How to get to that balance is the hard part.

There is no silver bullet.

 

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Brian37 wrote:You can't have

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You can't have a world government. For the same reason it would be silly in a public high school to force students to mix all the time and ban clicks. Certainly overlap happens and jocks can get along with science geeks and Cheerleaders can get along with those outside their click. But clicks happen, and that is also part of our species nature. I don't think you can force people on individual levels or on national levels to conform on all aspects.

Countries didn't start united. It started off with individual villages and settlements that used to fight each other, but it was gradually found that larger organisation was more appropriate. Even now, not all laws come from the main government. They have some over-all laws that apply to all but individual states/councils/etc get flexibility to draft laws that suit their particular populations.

I think that there will be some benefits to a world government with international law.
One of these is the internation enforcement of human rights. The EU has pushed Britain forward in it's laws regarding human rights.
There was also an example of 2 anti-McDonald protesters who were convicted under the British system of libel but were able to appeal to the EU court that the British law was unfair in this case.
Another thing I'd like to see is some standardization of tax laws for the following reasons:
At the moment, the "Super rich" use loopholes to dodge their fairshare of taxes. However, governments (the British government in particular) don't dare to close them because these valuable buisness men threaten to take their business elsewhere. Basically, these overly rich businessmen play countries off one another to get the most corruptible tax system. If there was a world agreement on tax regulations, these loopholes could be universally closed and these elite businessmen would be forced to pay their fair share of taxes like the rest of us.

There's just various examples like that where separate law systems allow people to take advantage and screw the system.
You're right that there would still need to be be limits to what a world government should legislate, that individual states/countries would need to be able to make laws to suit their individual circumstances.

 

 

Reading the rest of your post, I more or less agree with everything you say.
I just want to point out examples of actions that require everyone to be on board.
A world government would prevent people from 'opting out' of actions that require everyone's co-operation to work.

 


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Well yes if you are talking

Well yes if you are talking right at this moment then yes a world government wouldn't work but in the future who knows.

 

Im sorry if this is a little off topic must i must disagree at least for the sake the the future, a world government wouldn't be a bad idea. Im sure 2000 years ago they thought countries was a bad idea forcing people to conform to the next village/town/city etc. a world government will come from seeking fixes to global problems, probably not in my life time however i wouldn't be suprised to see a "unitied states of europe" in my life (i stil have alot of that left)... if things continue in there current form. we have seen the first steps, all joining to a single currency, they have the EU, and one day i believe it will be benefical for them to join into  a "unitied states of europe" would probably take another big war for the governments to give up power though il admit but it would be logical and would benefit all countries. It seems the logical next move for the world. Each country is ruled in much the same way as now while a global government deals with all disputes and relations between the new "states". Will take along time for the world to get to the point where that is possible but it is the next logical step. Im not saying forcing anything, through globalisation differances between cultures has been reduced in the future it can only be further reduced if things carry on as they are. Yes there are stubbon countries that refuse to come out of the dark ages (iran, north korea etc.) but given time that will fade as it has with other countries. Alternatively wait for an alien invasion and watch what happens when there is an "outside threat" everyone gets along nice nice. Joking aside im talking like 500 years from now or even longer. Though one now would be as pointless as the UN.

 

I shal derail no longer.

 

Cheap goods suck i demand quality  and at a reasonable price so go die you people out for a cheap buck

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In my industry, this is a

In my industry, this is a particular problem, cheap products vs quality products. I get customers that call us for security installations (surveillance systems) however they will almost always say, I can find a cheaper model on the net, Costco, Home Depot, etc, etc, etc. To which at this point I either have to educate them on the massive difference between the cheap chinese/korean made cameras/DVR's they sell vs the higher quality cameras/DVRs (some made in china and korea as well but far better products) I sell, and to why this is important when it comes to trying to give over surveillance video to the police it' is better to have quality image vs a cheaper version.

I always try to relate to something for them, like the difference between buying a subcompact car vs a BMW sedan or Bentley. The quality is far better and is expected to last longer with better service. If those Costco ones break down, who is going to service them? Once the warrenty is out (usually 3 months) then what? We warranty our stuff for a year. Our 4 camera installation at it's absolute cheapest is $2000 dollars installed, however you can get a cheap 4 camera and 1 dvr at costco for $500. What it's not told to you is usually you have limited length in cable and being cheap models they tend to break down, plus overall cheap image being produced and saved.

Yeah I wish people could always understand quality vs quantity. However we are a society driven to the next deal it seems. From free alarm systems (which trust me there are not free, a 5 year contract they will recoup the free and make a profit, while your stuck in a 5 year contract or have to pay out the remaining contract out if you don't like their service) to cheap quality products, it's hard out there to make a profits at times.