Disprove the resurrection -- i dare you [YOU RESPOND]
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Disprove the resurrection -- i dare you [YOU RESPOND]
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Disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ to dismantle Christianity--of
course you can't because Jesus did resurrect..NO DOUBT about it......so try
and disprove the resurrection--i dare you....
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Dude, it is your job to prove that it happened. You go first.
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Indeedy.
Well, then you should have no trouble proving it, which would be a win for you. If neither of us can prove or disprove one way or another, then that alone makes it doubtful that it happened.
Nobody I know was brainwashed into being an atheist.
Why Believe?
The resurrection never happened for the simple reason that your Jesus charactor never existed. The storys of the annointed one are just storys; actualy several myths and legions mixed in with tales of a few itineret local preachers.
1) Latest archaelogical studies show Nazareth did not exist untill after 25 C.E. (A.D.). How did your savior manage to grow up in a town that didn't exist?
2) The Church of the immaculate Conception , supposedly buildt on the site of Mary's family home was actually buildt over a graveyard. Now no Jew - then or now- would build anything least of all a house atop a graveyard- it is unkosher.
3) The Nazarenes were a sect of Judaism at the time. The name had nothing to do with the City of Nazareth; Nazareth did not exist for another century or more. Joshua is such a commen name there were more then likely dozens of part time preachers called Jesus the Nazarene.
4) The Christos were a small sect of Judaisim living outside of Palastine who believed their Christ had already arrived. Their numbers were never big but groups have been traced to Damascus and Rome in the early first century, at the time Julius Caeser was growing up, Julius may have ran into these people in the Insulae his mother owned. He later wrote about traditional Judaens who also followed Lord Mithra. Now were his neighbors the Christos or just Jews playing lip service to a local deity? Eather answer is possible.
5) Lord Mithra, was an eastern god of the Zorastrian religion. He was born of a Virgin on Dec. 25th, he had 12 deciples. When he died at easter each year he rose again in 3 days and ascends into heaven until his rebirth on Dec.25th.
Mithra entered the Roman pantheon in the 4th century B.C.E. and rose to prominence, highly popular with soldiers up to the time of Constantine (4th century C.E.). Mithra 's main temple in Rome was located on Vatican hill and the head priest was called the Papa.
6) Now combine # 3,4, and 5 and you have 1st century Cristians. Saul of Tarsus was abusing these people when he had an epilieptic seisure on the road to Damascus. Greek speaking Saul became Paul and took Mithratic/Judaisim on the road to what you call modern christianity. Paul never wrote about J.C.'s birth or much else about a real person named Jesus because any real person would have gotten in the way of Paul"s mystical religion.
It is possible that not even Paul on his worst day (he had more seisures in his life) ever thought there was a real Jesus.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
I hate to tear you away from your "Fair and Balanced" busy TV schedule, but how much time should a "thinking person" devote to disproving a Fantastical (and clearly silly) concept based on what is likely a "Fantasy" figure ?
Prove that this list of historical figures that your "jesus" figure was almost certainly plagiarized from did not also resurrect... I dare you !
Osiris, Tammuz, Dionysus, Odin, Adonis, Baldr, Attis, Mithras, Persephone, etc. etc. etc.
Oh, I'm sorry, those gods aren't currently marketed by mental giants like Sean Hannity.
Did that come out sarcastic? It's so hard to tell.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
No, i don't want to. I have no desire to waste my time on your dare. On a side note, I just resurected myself! I am lord and master... prove me wrong
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
Me too! It was awesome. In fact, I'm going to write a book about it.
"Yes, I seriously believe that consciousness is a product of a natural process. I find that the neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers who proceed from that premise are the ones who are actually making useful contributions to our understanding of the mind." - PZ Myers
Remember to write that there were 1,000,000 eyewitness. Nobody could deny the resurrection if there were 1,000,000 eyewitnesses.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
I'll go ahead and disprove the resurrection. Are you ready? Here it is:
It's biologically impossible for a dead person to come back to life.
There you go.
Liberate your mind. Fuck religion.
Unfortunately, that isn't gonna work with a believer, because one of the most important points about he resurrection is precisely that it is a 'miracle', ie that it is impossible without divine intervention. IOW that impossibility is 'proof' of his divinity.
The problem is for them to prove it really happened - the only 'evidence' they have for it is some ambiguous reports of 'sightings' in a book dedicated to proving that it all really happened.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
ive only been here 3 days and im already so sick of these guys.
if it wouldnt be so illmannered of me to awnser your question with a question, i might ask you to disprove that i just farted. wait aaaaaaaannnnnd a bunch of hot sexy mermaids came out my bum!!!
disprove that!!!
ill tell my stepsons cousin to wright a story about it for you as proof of my mermaid orgy!
1) no eyewitness accounts, only hearsay.
2) no tangible evidence.
3) to date, no second coming.
done.
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Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
I understand that. I was just reminded him/her of very little brain that we think rationally and with our brains and not with a book in our hands.
Liberate your mind. Fuck religion.
But the book is so much easier.
"Yes, I seriously believe that consciousness is a product of a natural process. I find that the neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers who proceed from that premise are the ones who are actually making useful contributions to our understanding of the mind." - PZ Myers
Not really. You actually have to pick it up and flip through the pages to find what you're looking for. But your brain will always be with you and there's no flipping through it. You think, you reason, and problem solved.
Liberate your mind. Fuck religion.
WHAT THE FUCK? NOOOOOOOOOOO. WHY DON'T PEOPLE TELL ME THESE THINGS?
Next thing you are going to tell me is that a human cannot fart a full sized Lamborghini out of their ass.
I bet you left Santa brownies with laxative in them.
YOU ARE SUCH A KILLJOY!
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Bob, while it is true that the more deeply indoctrinated and in love with a myth they are, you are right, it can be quite hard to crack that illusion.
BUT, many here, including me once believed these absurdities. If humans can live without believing the sun is a thinking being as once did the the Ancient Egyptians, it is not impossible for people to give up on theses current popular myths.
I'm not that pessimistic. I believe any Christian or Muslim or whatever, if they really want to challenge themselves, they can free themselves from the mind shackles that imprison them.
Heck, Captain Pineapple came in here gangbusters a couple years ago trying to convince us that the universe itself was a giant conciousness. Look at her now.
It is hard to show theists their errors, but it is not impossible.
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Disprove the resurrection of Jesus ? Who bloody cares ! Besides, prove that Godzilla hasn't repeatedly stomped the shit out of Tokyo. It's all on film. I've seen the proof.
I think you underestimate the difficulty many people have with thinking rationally, and overestimate the difficulty in letting other people tell you what the book says.
I guess I should've said, "The book is so much easier, especially when you don't have to read it."
"Yes, I seriously believe that consciousness is a product of a natural process. I find that the neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers who proceed from that premise are the ones who are actually making useful contributions to our understanding of the mind." - PZ Myers
scary that hey. The number of christians that have never read the bible..... I mean if the bible is the word of god wouldn't you want to read it?
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Well, technically, yes, but, you know, it's hard; there's a lot of words....
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Yes, I am jaded.
Here's my take:
John 14:12 states "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."
Well, he's back with the Father. I'm not even going to ask for greater things.
Simply repeat a resurrection in a scientifically controlled environment. Not a resuscitation - a resurrection.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
We could combine this experiment with the one outlined on another current thread where in the OT god cooks a few steaks to prove he exists and we could select a range of leading christians to sacrifice themselves
for the greater good of humanity. The pope, for instance. He looks like he needs to be reborn. Why would he argue?
The god ones are killed and if the lord brings them back to life, well, we all convert and are saved. What could be simpler??
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Hey Bob,
I'm new here, but I've read many of your reponses and it seems you write as I think.
You mention the expression "divine intervention" which is something I use in conversation with the more religious types. I ask them : "if god is so perfect , and created such a perfect universe, and is without flaw , why is it that the term "divine intervention" even exists? "why would a perfect god have to intervene in his own perfect creation if he is an all powerful perfect god? "And if he did intervene, would that not be an admission by this perfect god of being imperfect?"
My god has a hammer, jesus was nailed to a cross. Any questions?
I like that. Yes indeed.
*Monty Burns voice*
Excellent.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Disprove Pandora's Box, Prometheus's fire, the minotaur on Crete, the existence of a teapot orbiting Jupiter... well, I think my point is made.
Someone might want to convince me of the actual existence of Jesus as anything but a literary character before we can get to the magic tricks.