More Proof That We Don't Need a Transcendent Moral Standard

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More Proof That We Don't Need a Transcendent Moral Standard

Saw this today on Science Daily. Definitely worth a read. Really not that long.

Evolution and Taking Turns

 

"Do not, as some ungracious pastors do, show me the steep and thorny way to heaven. Whiles, like a puff'd and reckless libertine, himself the primrose path of dalliance treads. And recks not his own rede."


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 I would love to read it

 I would love to read it right now but my wife is bitching at me. 


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manofmanynames wrote:

cervello_marcio wrote:

Saw this today on Science Daily. Definitely worth a read. Really not that long.

Evolution and Taking Turns

 

 

why a "transcendent" moral standard? why do we need a moral stand at all? following your logic...

 

You deserve to be stabbed in the face.

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ClockCat wrote:

manofmanynames wrote:

cervello_marcio wrote:

Saw this today on Science Daily. Definitely worth a read. Really not that long.

Evolution and Taking Turns

 

 

why a "transcendent" moral standard? why do we need a moral stand at all? following your logic...

 

You deserve to be stabbed in the face.

1. What ClockCat said.

2. A transcendent moral standard is the one offered up by theists in the morality debate.

3. GTFO Freethinking Anonymous. 

"Do not, as some ungracious pastors do, show me the steep and thorny way to heaven. Whiles, like a puff'd and reckless libertine, himself the primrose path of dalliance treads. And recks not his own rede."


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What are

What are we transcending?

manofmanynames wrote:
why do we need a moral stand at all?

To develop criterion for right and wrong.

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following your logic...

What logic? 

 

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


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Butter: We're transcending

Butter: We're transcending the fallen nature of wretched, sinful man.

Manofmanynames: Enjoy this cat.

 

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manofmanynames wrote:

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To develop criterion for right and wrong.

For what purpose? 

Piranhas live perfectly fine with each other without having to develop a moral standard

 

Stab #3 in the face. GO THE FUCK AWAY.

 

YOU ARE NOT WANTED.

 

 

post in the places that don't say "NO THEISTS"

 

 

 

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butterbattle wrote:To

butterbattle wrote:
To develop criterion for right and wrong.

manofmanynames wrote:
For what purpose?

Because I want to. 

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Piranhas live perfectly fine with each other without having to develop a moral standard.

Perfectly fine, as in they're not extinct yet?  

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marshalltenbears wrote: I

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 I would love to read it right now but my wife is bitching at me. 

Your turn to bitch tomorrow.

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manofmanynames wrote:

butterbattle wrote:

To develop criterion for right and wrong.

For what purpose? 

Piranhas live perfectly fine with each other without having to develop a moral standard

 

Well you know that's not true. Piranhas don't eat eachother, so they DO have a moral standard.

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Have you ever seen a

Have you ever seen a piranha? I don't know if that's a result of a moral standard or just the fact that they're about the least appetizing fish ever.

 

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manofmanynames wrote:Their

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Their acts, and actions are amoral, they are unconcerned with moral rightness or wrongness of something. 

Doesn't this make your analogy dishonest? We all have at the very least a personalized set of morals.

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Like, i said I'm an agnostic, remove the badge please, so I'm within the guidelines to post here

You're agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist? Do you or do you not believe in a God?

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Like, i said I'm an agnostic, remove the badge please, so I'm within the guidelines to post here

From your forum topic "Why Atheists Are Disliked:"

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But yea, to clear it up for you, yes, I'm no longer an atheist. I do believe in God now, even though I didn't believe before.

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marshalltenbears wrote: I

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 I would love to read it right now but my wife is bitching at me. 

Just say two words to her...

More soy?


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You have transgressed upon

manofmanynames, you have transgressed upon the Atheist Holy of Holies.

The Atheists have cursed your immortal soul to burn in hellfire for eternity.


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You are omnipresent.

You are omnipresent.


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cervello_marcio wrote:Have

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Have you ever seen a piranha? I don't know if that's a result of a moral standard or just the fact that they're about the least appetizing fish ever.

 

Exactly. They evolved such that they derive no pleasure in eating other piranha so they don't do it. So their morality is hedonism(no morality).

Every animal's real 'morality' is seek your own pleasure(including humans and theists). The only thing unique about humans is that we can put on the holier than thou act of not being selfish hedonists all the while being one. That's what morality is, the holier than thou act.

 

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EXC wrote:Exactly. They

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Exactly. They evolved such that they derive no pleasure in eating other piranha so they don't do it. So their morality is hedonism(no morality). 

Actually they do eat other piranha's, if one get caught on a fishing hook, the others will attempt to nibble away at it, and piranhas often eat on their weaker ones.


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