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I am concerned for humanity. Most people are just amused/think it's going to be a fun movie to watch, but some people are actually SCARED by it. Here's the trailer for the pretty but shallow new movie...

 

 

 

 

Why can't we have a realistic end of the world? Like getting sucked into the sun or something? All this conspiracy shit is soooo boring.

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 It looks like a cool

 It looks like a cool movie. I have read some into the 2012 theories and if they happen to be true it does not sound like there is too much we can do about it. So I don't even care. Like this planet is better off with us or something. 

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I cannot tell by the trailer

I cannot tell by the trailer if it's going to be just natural disasters or Armageddon, but there's definitely going to be religious undertones in the movie. Like when it shows the Sistine Chapel being split and the crack just happens to go right between God and Adam in Michelangelo's Murial. Or the statue of Jesus crumbling in Rio de Janeiro...come on, now.

I'll see it just because I loved Independence Day growing up and I thought the Day after tomorrow was decent. The story lines aren't necessarily great but I love the special effects and the suspense they build in those types of movies.

As far as 2012 goes...I don't believe in any of the predictions or even the relevance of the Mayan Calender for this date, but there are some significant things happening in the universe around that time (not even talking about planet x). There's a lot of interesting information, but I'm not worried. I still remember the panic of Y2K.

 


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That's entertainment

That's entertainment.

When Earth ends it won't be anywhere near as entertaining. I'm pretty sure we, humans, will have been long dead and gone by the time the sun swallows Earth. I'll be watching this when it comes out Smiling

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This reminds me of the 'War

This reminds me of the 'War of the Worlds' radio incedent.  Why couldn't they just wait till after 2012 to make the movie?


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I do agree with you though,

I do agree with you though, peppermint. It's really cheesy and possibly harmful to cash in on peoples' fears like this. There's no question on what the intent of this movie is. They might act like it's about prevention, spreading information, or even "entertainment," but it's not. The screenwriters knew there was a buzz on the internet about this date and noticed how scared people are. I almost want to avoid it in protest since these apocalyptic movies are so easily manipulative and limited of imagination, but I'm a sucker for this genre and they know it. Don't get me wrong, the first, oh...100 of these types of movies were probably warranted, but Hollywood has been milking the shit out of this type of movie for a while now. It's kind of like how they're bringing back awesome characters from the past to squeeze a few more pennies out of peoples' pockets (despite possibly ruining the integrity of the franchise).

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The last time this many

The last time this many people feared the end of the world was 9 1/2 years ago.

The movie looks entertaining though. I might go see it.

Edit: I've seen some of the translations for the predictions in the Mayan calender, and they are horribly ambiguous. It basically says stuff like, 'approximately this period in history will contain great civial unrest and conflict bla bla bla.' You can, fairly easily, put a sufficient spin on any of it to fit something that is happening in history at that time.  

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peppermint wrote; I'm concerned for Humanity

 This type of movie sells ticket's and it plays on fear,nothing new here. I'm more concerned about the impact of Global Warming and the effect that is being felt right now ( in the southern Oceans,they have already evacuated the Island of Carteret near Paupa New Guinea) and as the water rises there will be over 300 million environmental refuges.And yet hardly anyone has noticed this disaster.All of these Bullshit movies doesn't help either,people waste their time in movie theaters getting dumbed down even further.Its sad. 

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Well, obviously it is

Well, obviously it is going to be a visual festival. That being said, I saw the poster with the tag line before I saw the trailer. Anything about the end of the world and using the words “left behind” is a buzz kill for me.

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Money is money. Why

Money is money. Why shouldn't they make this movie, knowing very well that it would sell?

If not for the line "Find out the truth" in the end, it would be perfectly fine. Smiling

 


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Fanas wrote:Money is money.

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Money is money. Why shouldn't they make this movie, knowing very well that it would sell?

If not for the line "Find out the truth" in the end, it would be perfectly fine. Smiling

 

Because the United States is already paralyzed by fear. How many times was "9/11" used as a justification for damned near everything Bush wanted to do? A justification for war with IRAQ (lol) without the consent from Congress... Hell, Giuliani basically ran his campaign for President on it. Making a horror movie is one thing, but selling fear that many consider to be real and imminent (whether it really is or not) is almost immoral. People are responsible for their own actions, but we don't live in a rational society and I think movies like this can be just as harmful as fanatical dogma. I'm sure that sounds exaggerated, but do you remember how nuts people were with Y2K? The closer we get to 2012, the worse it'll become.


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Money is money. Why shouldn't they make this movie, knowing very well that it would sell?

If not for the line "Find out the truth" in the end, it would be perfectly fine. Smiling

 

Because the United States is already paralyzed by fear. How many times was "9/11" used as a justification for damned near everything Bush wanted to do? A justification for war with IRAQ (lol) without the consent from Congress... Hell, Giuliani basically ran his campaign for President on it. Making a horror movie is one thing, but selling fear that many consider to be real and imminent (whether it really is or not) is almost immoral. People are responsible for their own actions, but we don't live in a rational society and I think movies like this can be just as harmful as fanatical dogma. I'm sure that sounds exaggerated, but do you remember how nuts people were with Y2K? The closer we get to 2012, the worse it'll become.

Well at least you will be able to say "I told you so" after all the madness. Laughing out loud


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A justification for war with IRAQ (lol) without the consent from Congress...

 

Dude? The internet called for you and it wants it's instantly verifiable facts back. Also, the 21st century agrees.

 

Seriously, the vote to authorize the war was 297/133 in the house and 77/23 in the senate.

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I will grant you that the war in Iraq was the biggest fuck up since the Spanish American War. Of the dozen or so different things we were given as reasons, one (the WMD) failed to be real but there were other reasons that did turn out to be correct.

 

War is always and automatically a bad thing. That is why people hate it and try to avoid it. Sadly, sometimes in is a necessary thing. The real question for me (and remembering that this is in hind sight) would be if this specific war was necessary.

 

On the balance of what we now know, I think that we might have ducked this one. At least for a while. However, Hussein was rearming at the time and remembering the mess that happened in Europe because Germany rearmed after WW1, there is at least a possibility that ducking this war could have sent us on the path to a much bigger mess later on.

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I am concerned for humanity. Most people are just amused/think it's going to be a fun movie to watch, but some people are actually SCARED by it. Here's the trailer for the pretty but shallow new movie...

 

 

 

 

Why can't we have a realistic end of the world? Like getting sucked into the sun or something? All this conspiracy shit is soooo boring.

Something can be "boring" and dangerous at the same time. I am sure like many "predictions" of "the end" that have been made in the past, this will pass too. BUT, only if we treat it as the seriously dangerous delusion it is.

There are things humanity cant control. We cant control meteors or comets or gamma rays hitting us. Meteors we have a better shot at, IF we knock of this selfish tribalism and focus on it. But the ride will end, no doubt. But humanity's problem is that it has an attitude that truth only exists when their tribe is the alpha male.

I would treat these consperiacies as serious because those who believe them have and can rise to power. Not in the sense that consperacies are real, but just like god belief, people treat them as if they were real.

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Perhaps it's a self

Perhaps it's a self fulfilling prophecy. The Mayans could have know how "fucking stupid" people are. Then we'd destroy ourselves with the hysteria over the end of the world.

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Dude, the consent was based

Dude, the consent was based off of faulty information. In other words, while many in the Senate and House of Representatives opposed the war initially (uhm, hello, it was a violation of international law via the UN), the President lied (claiming basically "oops" ) on the two main points listed in the resolution which was the housing of weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda. If a body of Politic is coerced into doing something by threat of National Security when such a threat is not only incorrect but found later to be known about (a lie), you honestly think the President didn't will this War into happening? The U.N. Security Council did not authorize the invasion but war was declared, anyway. If you're going to make the argument that the United States is above the UN (which would be unfortunate) than it should leave the United Nations and face the consequences of the Coalition which might have a different say, next time.



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I will grant you that the war in Iraq was the biggest fuck up since the Spanish American War. Of the dozen or so different things we were given as reasons, one (the WMD) failed to be real but there were other reasons that did turn out to be correct.

Oh, after that was debunked the focus immediately got changed to liberating the Iraqi people. As if that was the REAL reason we went there in the first place. It might be convenient to just say we failed or that we guessed wrong, but there is obvious deceit and our President should have been arrested.

 

 

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War is always and automatically a bad thing. That is why people hate it and try to avoid it. Sadly, sometimes in is a necessary thing. The real question for me (and remembering that this is in hind sight) would be if this specific war was necessary.

Of course it wasn't necessary, it wasn't even the right country to attack. What I find comical is how Iraq was such an immediate and dangerous threat to our National Security because of WMD's, yet North Korea is...what? An ally? And if liberating the Iraqi people was the MAJOR FOCUS (don't pretend like that wasn't milked by the Press Secretary) than how about liberating people in countries that DON'T have a standing army that opposes us? It's ok to help the Iraqi people but let Africa starve and die from Aids (not even JUST talking about wartorn countries)?

 

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On the balance of what we now know, I think that we might have ducked this one. At least for a while. However, Hussein was rearming at the time and remembering the mess that happened in Europe because Germany rearmed after WW1, there is at least a possibility that ducking this war could have sent us on the path to a much bigger mess later on.

 

Yeah there's "threats" all over the world. I guess we should declare war on all of those threats...just in case.


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Note: I am NOT a liberal.

Note: I am NOT a liberal. I'm very much conservative. I just don't agree with injustice. The War with Iraq was just a waste of money and lives, and claiming ignorance in the aftermath isn't good enough. If a country is that ignorant in it's information, it should have its rights of declaring war stripped by the international community. This has a lot to do with why I didn't vote for McCain, because he claimed multiple times that we would not leave Iraq until we "won." Absolutist bullshit like that should not be tolerated.


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Let's see how much faith

Let's see how much faith these fundamentalists really have...if they *really* believe the world will end, they should be extra charitable as the end gets closer...I'd be willing to relieve any Christians of their beachfront Condo, and their Convertable BMW...It'll look good on their eternal resume'


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Note: I am NOT a liberal. I'm very much conservative. I just don't agree with injustice. The War with Iraq was just a waste of money and lives, and claiming ignorance in the aftermath isn't good enough. If a country is that ignorant in it's information, it should have its rights of declaring war stripped by the international community. This has a lot to do with why I didn't vote for McCain, because he claimed multiple times that we would not leave Iraq until we "won." Absolutist bullshit like that should not be tolerated.

Well I didn't vote for obama or mccain, but so far obama has not done anything different than mccain would have. I just don't trust any of them when they make money from both sides of the war. 

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marshalltenbears wrote:The

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Note: I am NOT a liberal. I'm very much conservative. I just don't agree with injustice. The War with Iraq was just a waste of money and lives, and claiming ignorance in the aftermath isn't good enough. If a country is that ignorant in it's information, it should have its rights of declaring war stripped by the international community. This has a lot to do with why I didn't vote for McCain, because he claimed multiple times that we would not leave Iraq until we "won." Absolutist bullshit like that should not be tolerated.

Well I didn't vote for obama or mccain, but so far obama has not done anything different than mccain would have. I just don't trust any of them when they make money from both sides of the war. 

Well Obama's plan at fixing the economy isn't about erasing our debt, but cutting down the amount we'll generate for the next 4-8 years. We're going to be economically fucked for a while no matter who's in the White house. For all we know, McCain could have sent more troops and tried to blitzkreig a victory in Iraq. He's a good man, but I don't think he would help build an alliance with the rest of the world like Obama will. I don't trust old people, especially if he's so old he makes other old people seem young. And no matter how good McCain is, there's NO WAY I'm voting for Sarah Palin as Vice President. Say what you will about McCain, but she's a certifiable moron. Even the moderators in the debates or interviews kept looking at her with a "WTF?" look on their faces.  This isn't even a stab at women, I think Hillary would have done fine. Palin is a joke.


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Granted, Caribou Barbie probably cost McCain the election. I would have preferred pretty much anyone to her. For that matter, McCain would not have been my first choice. Some combination of Huckabe / Romney would have been more to my liking on fiscal grounds. However, they are both religious nut jobs but one must take what is offered.

 

For the record though, given that we still have the PATRIOT act in effect, I am glad that Hillary lost.

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 Quote:On the balance of

 

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On the balance of what we now know, I think that we might have ducked this one. At least for a while. However, Hussein was rearming at the time and remembering the mess that happened in Europe because Germany rearmed after WW1, there is at least a possibility that ducking this war could have sent us on the path to a much bigger mess later on.

"Re-Arming"? With what, exactly? The scrap metal he managed to salvage from the burnt out wreckage that he was left with after the 1st Persian Gulf war? Sticking out tongue

 

He was not 're-arming'. To quote your beloved magicians, that's Bullshit. Nobody was selling Hussein weapons; what he had was what he had purchased from you guys during the Iran/Iraq conflict. He was also not in any position to go on the offensive any time in the foreseeable future; the Ba'athists had essentially zero regional allies and considerably divided support in Iraq itself.

The only sensible reason given for the attack (nuclear arms build-up) was a total fabrication; the rest of the 'reasons' were piss-poor excuses ("Saddam was killing Iraqis!" "...Oh? And what are you doing, now that you're occupying the country?" "...Shuddup.&quotEye-wink. The actual reasons are now just plain obvious: securing oil reserves and flexing the sadistic urge to put bullet holes in arabs. 

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I was going to vote for Ron Paul but I knew from the beginning he wouldn't go all the way.

 

That is because he had actual solutions to problems, not just fancey slogans. I think most americans are too stupid and get bored to easily when they listen to him. To bad Ron Paul couldn't have used "YES We Can" before obama. And if anyone wants to get rid of the income tax and the IRS then they have my vote.

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I intend to watch it.

I intend to watch it. Prepared for the sad ending where Humanity somehow survives the apocalypse......again.....

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A side note: the intro of

A side note: the intro of this trailer is wrong.  The Maya weren't the world's oldest human civilization.  City-building and agriculture had been going on in the Middle East for up to several thousand years before the Maya got around to it. Not that "old" means the mythology is true.

 

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Kavis wrote:A side note: the

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A side note: the intro of this trailer is wrong.  The Maya weren't the world's oldest human civilization.  City-building and agriculture had been going on in the Middle East for up to several thousand years before the Maya got around to it. Not that "old" means the mythology is true.

 

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This also bothered me greatly. The mayans were still hunting and gathering when great cities were being built in Mesopotamia, India and China.


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This also bothered me greatly. The mayans were still hunting and gathering when great cities were being built in Mesopotamia, India and China.

Yeah, there weren't even any people there until natives of Asia, most likely, migrated to the Americas via Alaska. 

 

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Kevin R Brown wrote:Nobody

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Nobody was selling Hussein weapons; what he had was what he had purchased from you guys during the Iran/Iraq conflict.

Yeah. Not like anyone was talking about that during the first Iraq war:

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During the Persian Gulf War, those intelligence reports would come out: “Oh, Iraq? Incredible weapons. Incredible weapons.”

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“Well. Ha ha. Ah, we looked at the receipt. But as soon as that check clears, we’re going in.”

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The strange thing is, I suspect she'll be able to warp reality to her own POV. I can imagine millions of disillusioned soccer moms lining up to vote for her in 3 years. That's what scares me most about 2012.

And I'm definitely going to see this movie. It looks like it'll be one long candy-bar of a visual treat, with terrible dialogue, excruciating camera work, and lots and lots of simulated explosions.

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The Day After The Day After Tomorrow

I'm going to watch this film for the damage and destruction and the titillation that provides, but actually calling it a 'good' movie would be a stretch.  I had a lot of fun watching The Day After Tomorrow, but the insipid dialogue and shameless product placements for Apple et al really bugged me.  Surprised they didn't have a disaster toy set with little fully pose-able Dennis Quaids.  This movie looks like it's in the same vein, and if we take it too seriously we'll pop a vein.  People who get scared about this stuff are going to get scared by a lot of other stuff, like cheese molds or something equally as ridiculous.  Just weather the storm folks, it'll blow over.  Until then, 'Dodge, dip, duck, dive and dodge.'

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butterbattle wrote:Yeah,

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Yeah, there weren't even any people there until natives of Asia, most likely, migrated to the Americas via Alaska.

 

To be fair, they couldn't have migrated later than about ten thousand years ago via the Bering bridge, and there's evidence of human habitation in the area dating to around 14,000 years ago.  It's not like they were rowing boats to Alaska when Hammurabi laid down the law. 

Still, when the trailer starts off with something that's simply untrue, and then goes on with hand-wringing eschatological hysteria, it pisses me off.

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I was going to vote for Ron Paul but I knew from the beginning he wouldn't go all the way.

I considered voting for him. I seemed to side with him the most politically.

But he's just as much a religious sack of potatoes as the rest of 'em. He has made personal statements about the "oppression of Christians" and the "war on Christmas." He has a general lack of understanding and/or respect for non-Christians and the secular community, and I just know that that would have somehow impacted his politics, especially when it came to issues like gay marriage, etc. My initial vote originally went to Clinton, and it still would have had she been the nominee, but once it was McCain and "You betcha!" versus Obama and "his best pal Peter [Biden]!" I knew that I had to vote for Obama. (Sorry, Family Guy joke for the latter. )
 


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 I don't think it's been

 I don't think it's been mentioned here, but in an interview with the director of the film (I believe) he stated that he actually doesn't believe in any of the 2012 hype but merely made a film based off people's real conspiracies because it, essentially, would make money.

At least the guy was honest!


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Hollywood. The movie's being produced for money, not to inform people of any kind of truth. I'll probably watch it, for the sake of entertainment.

 

By the way, were the Mayans able to predict how their own civilization would end? That would have been more useful for their welfare, now wouldn't it?

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Maybe not rescue but they did a Bullshit ep. on it a week or so ago.

At least they found a Mayan and asked about it. She never heard of it.

Myself I think people claiming to still be real Mayans today are like those who claim to be witches from the Celts, idiots in their own right.

 

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Hollywood. The movie's being produced for money, not to inform people of any kind of truth. I'll probably watch it, for the sake of entertainment.

By the way, were the Mayans able to predict how their own civilization would end? That would have been more useful for their welfare, now wouldn't it?

That's kind of the problem. They didn't get their own destruction right, so why would we listen to them?

Oh, and 2012 is when their calendar ended because that's how they made them. This is sort of like assuming that the world is going to end every 12 months because your calendar runs out.

No, really.

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HisWillness wrote:Shizen

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Shizen wrote:

Hollywood. The movie's being produced for money, not to inform people of any kind of truth. I'll probably watch it, for the sake of entertainment.

By the way, were the Mayans able to predict how their own civilization would end? That would have been more useful for their welfare, now wouldn't it?

That's kind of the problem. They didn't get their own destruction right, so why would we listen to them?

Oh, and 2012 is when their calendar ended because that's how they made them. This is sort of like assuming that the world is going to end every 12 months because your calendar runs out.

No, really.

 

Just for fun I double click the time in the bottom right to bring up the calender to see where it ends. Apprently it goes to 2099 and then goes back to 1980. What does this mean? On new years evil 2099 the world will be sent back in time to 1980. Its true, the calender says so.


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I cannot tell by the trailer if it's going to be just natural disasters or Armageddon 

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I will grant you that the war in Iraq was the biggest fuck up since the Spanish American War. Of the dozen or so different things we were given as reasons, one (the WMD) failed to be real but there were other reasons that did turn out to be correct.

And if none of those turned out to be "correct", we would just keep guessing until we hit something that looks borderline plausible. Well, at least borderline plausible to a complete cretin, that way we would convince Americans. Your reasoning is unparalleled - with you on our side, reality will never hold us back again!

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War is always and automatically a bad thing. That is why people hate it and try to avoid it. Sadly, sometimes in is a necessary thing. The real question for me (and remembering that this is in hind sight) would be if this specific war was necessary.

War is always and automatically a bad thing, but some times it's necessary? Then it must be good some times for something, since otherwise it would not be necessary for anything in particular. Also, people hate war and try to avoid it, yet it's continuously fought. Must be because it's necessary all the time, and therefore good for something all the time. It must be necessary beacause of all those invented correct reasons you mentioned earlier.

On the other hand, you might just be full of shit that has been compressed into you during the 7PM news and a random presidential monologue.

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On the balance of what we now know, I think that we might have ducked this one. At least for a while. However, Hussein was rearming at the time and remembering the mess that happened in Europe because Germany rearmed after WW1, there is at least a possibility that ducking this war could have sent us on the path to a much bigger mess later on.

You are right.. We should consider nuking half the world; imagine how big conflicts we can avoid with that kind of a war. We are lucky to have few bright minds like yours among us. The fewer the better.

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Are you kidding I love apocalyptic films! It's the fun of seeing everyone get destroyed I could care less about the religious undertones.