Breakdown: Who Believes in Evolution and Who Doesn't?

Hambydammit
High Level DonorModeratorRRS Core Member
Hambydammit's picture
Posts: 8657
Joined: 2006-10-22
User is offlineOffline
Breakdown: Who Believes in Evolution and Who Doesn't?

 I agreed that it's not enough to say that 39% of Americans believe in Evolution.  So, I searched for more data.  Thank Pew, there's more data to be had:

 

In a statement that's disturbingly close to confirmation of that 39% number, the researchers had this to say:

Pew wrote:
Recent public opinion polls indicate that challenges to Darwinian evolution have substantial support among the American people. According to an August 2006 survey by the Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, 63 percent of Americans believe that humans and other animals have either always existed in their present form or have evolved over time under the guidance of a supreme being. Only 26 percent say that life evolved solely through processes such as natural selection. A similar Pew Research Center poll, released in August 2005, found that 64 percent of Americans support teaching creationism alongside evolution in the classroom.

Here's a LINK to the full Pew Report

Oh, and just for shits and giggles, here's something straight from the Baptists:

Southern Baptists wrote:

Resolution On Scientific CreationismJune 1982

 

WHEREAS, The theory of evolution has never been proven to be a scientific fact, and

WHEREAS, Public school students are now being indoctrinated in evolution-science, and

WHEREAS, Creation-science can be presented solely in terms of scientific evidence without any religious doctrines or concepts, and

WHEREAS, Public school students should be taught all the scientific evidence on the subject of the origin of the world and life, and

WHEREAS, Academic freedom and free speech should be encouraged rather than inhibited.

Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the Southern Baptist Convention in session in New Orleans, Louisiana, June 1982, express our support for the teaching of Scientific Creationism in our public schools.

 

SOURCE

On the other hand, there's contradictory evidence to be had:

If you want to do some more math, here are some figures to get you started:

 According to the CIA,[6] the following is the order of religious preferences in the United States:

 

 

 

 

  • Christian: (78.5%)
  • Protestant (51.3%)
  • Roman Catholic (23.9%)
  • Mormon (1.7%)
  • other Christian (1.6%)
  • unaffiliated (12.1%)
  • none (4%)
  • other or unspecified (2.5%)
  • Jewish (1.7%)
  • Buddhist (0.7%)
  • Muslim (0.6%)
  •  

    Total U.S. Population: 309,162,581 (projected 2010)

    So, by my calculations, next year, the Protestant population will be 51.3% of 78.5% of 309,000,000 (for round numbers).  That's 12,435,845.  

    76% of that (the percentage of protestants who don't believe in evolution) is 94,571,242.  That's 31% of the U.S. population. 

    Add 42% of catholics and you get another 24,348,674, bringing our total to 118,919916, or 38% of the population.

    * I realize I didn't factor in the difference between protestant and evangelical protestant.  I'm not trying to give an exact number.  I'm just trying to prove a point.

    So, from a Pew Study of over 2000 individuals, we can say that around 40% of the population doesn't believe in evolution, while a study of over 1000 individuals estimates that 39% of the population does believe in evolution.  To my eyes, that's a pretty damn big margin of error.  I haven't dug much deeper than a cursory glance, but my first best guess is that the way the questions were worded had a lot to do with the huge difference of opinion.  If you ask a thousand protestants if evolution and NOT God is the reason for our existence, you're going to get almost 100% disagreement with evolution.  However, if you ask the same thousand people if evolution could have had a place in God's plan you're going to get a lot more support.

    Anyway, that's all the effort I feel like putting into this, so have at it.

     

     {FIXED}

     

     

     

     

     

     

  •  

    Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin

    http://hambydammit.wordpress.com/
    Books about atheism


    deludedgod
    Rational VIP!ScientistDeluded God
    deludedgod's picture
    Posts: 3221
    Joined: 2007-01-28
    User is offlineOffline
    A scientific theory is not

    A scientific theory is not something you believe in or do not. This is the wrong dichotomy to consider. It is something you understand or you don't. I think it would be much more enlightening to do a survey in which the researchers asked the sample what they understood of the theory of evolution.

    "Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

    -Me

    Books about atheism


    aiia
    Superfan
    aiia's picture
    Posts: 1923
    Joined: 2006-09-12
    User is offlineOffline
    I was just about to say the

    I was just about to say the same thing.

    I think a large percentage of the people are confusing abiogenesis and evolution. It would be an interesting survey to see if they understoood the difference and I think that would change these graphs if they did understand the difference.

     

    People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.


    Hambydammit
    High Level DonorModeratorRRS Core Member
    Hambydammit's picture
    Posts: 8657
    Joined: 2006-10-22
    User is offlineOffline
     Quote:I think it would be

     

    Quote:
    I think it would be much more enlightening to do a survey in which the researchers asked the sample what they understood of the theory of evolution.

    I don't think my faith in humanity could hold up under the weight of that survey.  In all seriousness, I don't think I understand evolution well enough to be a spokesman for it, and yet I continually discover that I know far more about it than anyone around me.

     

     

    Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin

    http://hambydammit.wordpress.com/
    Books about atheism


    Cpt_pineapple
    atheist
    Cpt_pineapple's picture
    Posts: 5492
    Joined: 2007-04-12
    User is offlineOffline
    Apperently 51% thought

    Apperently 51% thought humans evolved

     

     

    Also, the "total" column seems to add to 94% for some reason

     

     

     

     


    Cpt_pineapple
    atheist
    Cpt_pineapple's picture
    Posts: 5492
    Joined: 2007-04-12
    User is offlineOffline
    One more thing: When

    One more thing:

     

    When somebody releases a survey that says X% of Americans are Z, they should be shot

     

    The title shoud be:  X% of Americans THAT RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY are Z.

     

     

     

    sheesh/

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Kevin R Brown
    Superfan
    Kevin R Brown's picture
    Posts: 3142
    Joined: 2007-06-24
    User is offlineOffline
    Where did you pull that data

    Where did you pull that data from, Alison?

     

    Quote:
    God didn't produce a ready-made world. The Creator has done something cleverer than this, making a world able to make itself

    O rly?

    So why do none of the myths fabricating said deity agree with this notion?

    Quote:
    "Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

    - Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
    February 27, 1940


    Cpt_pineapple
    atheist
    Cpt_pineapple's picture
    Posts: 5492
    Joined: 2007-04-12
    User is offlineOffline
    Kevin R Brown wrote:Where

    Kevin R Brown wrote:

    Where did you pull that data from, Alison?

     

     

    http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=153#3

     

     

    It's a few clicks away from the link Hamby gave.

     

     

     

     


    mrjonno
    Posts: 726
    Joined: 2007-02-26
    User is offlineOffline
    Try doing a survey on

    Try doing a survey on whether people think the Earth or the Sun is the centre of the solar system. I would suggest that you would get barely 50% of the population getting it right (ie blind luck).

    I've now come to the conlusion that people don't believe/not believe in evolution on the basis of religion but something far more fundamental whether they are thick or not?

     

     


    Brian37
    atheistSuperfan
    Brian37's picture
    Posts: 15762
    Joined: 2006-02-14
    User is offlineOffline
    I hate it when anyone,

    I hate it when anyone, theist or atheist uses the word "believe
    " in reference to evolution.

    Saying "I believe in evolution" is like saying, "I believe in gravity".

    Neither are dependent on credulity, they exist whether we accept it or not.

    The Ray Comforts of the world can shout "THE EARTH IS FLAT" all they want, but they are dead wrong and will always be wrong. Any idiot who has seen a domestic cat and seen a lion at a zoo or on TV can see the evidence of evolution. ONLY a delusional moron will deny the FACT of evolutional theory.

    Your fairy tale is no more an explination for reality than Harry Potter flying around on a broom explains modern aviation. Wake up theists, quit making up crap! Quit pretending that your fantacy is real. Reality is much more fulliling.

    "We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
    Check out my poetry here on Rational Responders Like my poetry thread on Facebook under BrianJames Rational Poet also on twitter under Brianrrs37


    Vastet
    atheistBloggerSuperfan
    Vastet's picture
    Posts: 13210
    Joined: 2006-12-25
    User is offlineOffline
    You guys took all the fun

    You guys took all the fun out of my response. Sad

    I'll just acknowledge my knowledge of evolution then.

    Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.


    Cpt_pineapple
    atheist
    Cpt_pineapple's picture
    Posts: 5492
    Joined: 2007-04-12
    User is offlineOffline
    mrjonno wrote:Try doing a

    mrjonno wrote:

    Try doing a survey on whether people think the Earth or the Sun is the centre of the solar system. I would suggest that you would get barely 50% of the population getting it right (ie blind luck).

    I've now come to the conlusion that people don't believe/not believe in evolution on the basis of religion but something far more fundamental whether they are thick or not?

     

     

     

     

    The problem is this is the same with everything.

     

    Alex Jones cites one survey where over 50% of the respondants thought the U.S government orcheastrated 9/11.

     

     

    I don't think asking for an "understanding evolution" would clear things up, I don't understand evolution, I probably couldn't answer certain questions about it.

     

    But then again, I'm actually honest, if you asked the same question to Ray Comfort he would have said "yes", just like a 9/11 conspiracy nut will say they have an understanding of structural engineering.

     

     

    Humans don't like admitting they're wrong. Outright dismissing something would require knowledge of it and they aren't going to admit their ignorance.

     

     

    In contrast 59% of the surveyed Canadians accept evolution only 22% rejected it the rest weren't sure, and Canada is 17% non-religious compared to the U.S 15% which is rather close.

     

    We pretty much mirror the U.S in terms of religion yet beat you guys out in science quality of life etc.... I think the only thing U.S has over Canada is grammar.

     

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/16178

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Vastet
    atheistBloggerSuperfan
    Vastet's picture
    Posts: 13210
    Joined: 2006-12-25
    User is offlineOffline
    The US doesn't have better

    The US doesn't have better grammar. They can't even spell for crying out loud.

    > >

     

    < <

    Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.


    Eloise
    TheistBronze Member
    Eloise's picture
    Posts: 1807
    Joined: 2007-05-26
    User is offlineOffline
    Cpt_pineapple wrote:One more

    Cpt_pineapple wrote:

    One more thing:

     

    When somebody releases a survey that says X% of Americans are Z, they should be shot

     

    The title shoud be:  X% of Americans THAT RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY are Z.

     

     

     

    sheesh/

     

     

    Well it really depends how representative the sample is of the greater population. Your never going to get a pure mu for any given population, sure, but a well randomised sample is still meaningfully representative. If the study concludes for a population it is implied that it has been conducted with care from the outset to ensure the data covers population variations. You should check the description of the sampling process to convince your self if that's true or not.

    Theist badge qualifier : Gnostic/Philosophical Panentheist

    www.mathematicianspictures.com


    Christos
    Theist
    Christos's picture
    Posts: 311
    Joined: 2007-06-05
    User is offlineOffline
    Survey in Britian

    Here is something interesting. Even though church attendance in the UK is normally in the single digits, only half of Britons hold to evolution.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/01/evolution-darwin-survey-creationism

    "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." (CS Lewis)

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading." (CS Lewis)


    Ivon
    atheist
    Ivon's picture
    Posts: 89
    Joined: 2009-02-15
    User is offlineOffline
    Why do Christians refuse to

    Why do Christians refuse to accept that we're monkeys, yet proudly proclaim themselves as sheep?