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Disgraced pastor returns, as Christian businessman

 

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By ERIC GORSKI

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Sunday, November 23, 2008; 5:51 PM


-- Earlier this month, a guest took the pulpit at Open Bible Fellowship in Morrison, Ill., a 350-member church surrounded by cornfields. The speaker was an insurance salesman from Colorado named Ted Haggard.

The former superstar pastor, disgraced two years ago in a sex-and-drugs scandal, had returned _ this time as a Christian businessman preaching a message that was equal parts contrition and defiance. Haggard linked his fall to being molested in second grade and apologized again.His two sermons were posted, fleetingly, on Haggard's Web site under one word: "Alive!"

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There isn't really a whole lot to say about this.  Once a conniving twat, always a conniving twat.  Keep your ears open for more Haggard nonsense.

 


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  What ,  you mean 'ol Ted

  What ,  you mean 'ol Ted "I like it in the ass" Haggard ?    For a minute there I thought you meant Paisley was back again .   Whew ! I had visions of "lurking god-belief"  and "I know you are but what am I ?"


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 Quote:For a minute there I

 

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For a minute there I thought you meant Paisley was back again

LOL!

With any luck, Paisley has been kidnapped by Scientologists, and is locked in a dungeon somewhere watching endless reruns of Days of Thunder.

 

 

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ProzacDeathWish wrote: 

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  What ,  you mean 'ol Ted "I like it in the ass" Haggard ?    For a minute there I thought you meant Paisley was back again .   Whew ! I had visions of "lurking god-belief"  and "I know you are but what am I ?"

Liking it in the ass is not the issue. Pleanty of heterosexuals like backdoor. His issue has always been lying to himself because he was too much of a coward to say to those whome he agreed with on some issues, "I am this way, and if you don't like it fuck you" His mistake was not his sexuality, his mistake was pretending to be something he wasn't.

There are plenty of heterosexual men who want to go brown. "What can brown do for you?"

I digress. My point is that he lied to his base because he wasn't true to himself, because society sold him the idea that being a clone was more important than being honest with oneself.

IF society had said from the onset, "We may not like the fact that you are gay, but can find common ground outside that issue" I don' think Haggard would have gone on the sly.

 

 

 

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ProzacDeathWish wrote:

  What ,  you mean 'ol Ted "I like it in the ass" Haggard ?    For a minute there I thought you meant Paisley was back again .   Whew ! I had visions of "lurking god-belief"  and "I know you are but what am I ?"

Liking it in the ass is not the issue. Pleanty of heterosexuals like backdoor. His issue has always been lying to himself because he was too much of a coward to say to those whome he agreed with on some issues, "I am this way, and if you don't like it fuck you" His mistake was not his sexuality, his mistake was pretending to be something he wasn't.

There are plenty of heterosexual men who want to go brown. "What can brown do for you?"

I digress. My point is that he lied to his base because he wasn't true to himself, because society sold him the idea that being a clone was more important than being honest with oneself.

IF society had said from the onset, "We may not like the fact that you are gay, but can find common ground outside that issue" I don' think Haggard would have gone on the sly.

 

 

 

As an individual issue in 21'st century America Haggard's sexuality would normally register only as a "blip"  ( ..oh, you're gay ?  Big woop ! ) if even at all.     But combine that with his religious orientation and his well publicized ridicule of homosexuality and, yeah, I'm going to take a swipe at him.  I know you don't actually know me in terms of my overall views but don't read more into my comments than I intended.  I'm okay with virtually anyone ( including theists ) as long as they express a sense of goodwill toward me, they're not assholes, or two-faced, etc.


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Hambydammit wrote:There

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There isn't really a whole lot to say about this.  Once a conniving twat, always a conniving twat.  Keep your ears open for more Haggard nonsense.

 

C'mon, jesus forgave him, why can't you?  Let's all open our checkbooks and welcome Brother Ted back with a generous contribution. 

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Hambydammit wrote:

There isn't really a whole lot to say about this.  Once a conniving twat, always a conniving twat.  Keep your ears open for more Haggard nonsense.

 

C'mon, jesus forgave him, why can't you?  Let's all open our checkbooks and welcome Brother Ted back with a generous contribution. 

 

Nahhh. He'll just spend it on drugs.

Shouldn't he be in class? I thought New Life was paying for him to go back to school.

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...I hope it doesn't become

...I hope it doesn't become trendy all of a sudden to hand-out free passes to any preacher who blames their sexuality or pedophilia on childhood molestation. Sad

 

Ted, you're a gay. A queer. A homosexual. A fag. You enjoy having sex with men. Guess what? That perfectly cool! You also apparently like getting high, and - hey - that's cool too. Hell, even the thing that you were most demonized for, paying a prostitute for sex, isn't anything to be ashamed of.

Those people who have convinced you that there's something wrong with it, that you're a 'damaged' person who needs to be 'healed', are assholes. And you're emulating them (likely because your parents were among them. But we'll deal with imprinting later). Ted, buddy, if you ever want to lead anything resembling a normal life and wish the avoid further turmoil of some magnitude down the road, you need to accept yourself for who you are and put some distance between you and the people who have laid-out the expectations of who they feel Ted Haggard should be.

You can wear that mask for them for a while, but behind closed doors, you can't put on a facade for #1.

 

Haggard has two choices that I see. He can either accept his sexuality and vices, or he can continue donning his mask every morning until they find him boning a prostitute (or maybe a fellow man of the cloth) again.

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christianity carries with it

christianity carries with it a sense of self-loathing anyway. How much self-esteem can you have if everything you have done well in your life is due to your god anyway?

Or

Perhaps Ted took "Suck it, jesus!" as "Suck it. Signed jesus." instead?

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He was trying to walk in the footsteps of jesus via Mark 14 (young man with the linen cloth).

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Writing the book on marital fidelity with his wife the same year he was 'defrocked' made him question what he was missing?

Oh there's a bunch of these. I'm glad he's back. lol.

 

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Every time that Jizzbucket

Every time that Jizzbucket Haggard opens his mouth, he promotes *our* cause. If I were a Christian leader I would do everything in my power to shut him up.

I say we should encourage this ignominious dolt to get in front of a camera every chance he gets.


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I wish I could've been there

I wish I could've been there the day the little preacher kid from 'jesus camp' found out about Pastor Ted. The tears of emotional agony would be priceless.

I know that sounds sadistic, but it is fitting. Remember, I have 4 children in church of christ territory trying to deal with kids just like that one.

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Fucking editing...

Ok.. here it is in another language... you'll get the point.  I can't find it in English...

 

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