Moslems and alcohol....?

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Moslems and alcohol....?

I recently read in a novel that Moslems are prohibited from drinking alcohol that is derived from grapes specifically, and that they are in fact permitted to drink alcohol derived from honey. I suspect this would permit alcohol derived from certain other substances as well. I was wondering if this is accurate or not, and if anyone here happened to know one way or the other. 

I'm lazy and don't feel like spending the time and effort to wade through Moslem websites....

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Were that true, they could

Were that true, they could also drink beer and most hard liquor (and wine made from other fruit than grapes. )

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Prophet Muhammad(peace be

Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) praises wine in one of the verses of quran as God's grace to mankind.

And of the fruits of the date-palm, and grapes, whence ye derive strong drink and (also) good nourishment. Lo! therein is indeed a portent for people who have sense.(Sura 16:69)

 

But as the early companions of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) started getting drunk he showed some disapproval

They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness. And they ask thee what they ought to spend. Say: that which is superfluous. Thus Allah maketh plain to you (His) revelations, that haply ye may reflect.(sura 2:219)

 

and finally he forbade it completely

Satan seeketh only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and games of chance, and to turn you from remembrance of Allah and from (His) worship. Will ye then have done ? Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance(sura 5:91-92)

But Prophet(pbuh) has allowed wine to be used in paradise

A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear- run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels ?(sura 47:15)

 

 

 


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Hmmm....so he made a

Hmmm....so he made a mistake, reasoned and his position evolved ?


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nikimoto wrote:Hmmm....so he

nikimoto wrote:

Hmmm....so he made a mistake, reasoned and his position evolved ?

 

If that was "reasoning" it was pretty lame. LOL

 

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Interesting that the

Interesting that the countries where people drink a lot seem to do better than ones that have a problem with it.

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Plenty of good reasons not

Plenty of good reasons not to drink alcohol islam just isnt one of them. Absolutely no ban on smoking through in Islam very much part of arabian culture through.

 


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Whenever things get banned

Whenever things get banned they only become more exclusive, and therefore the priviledge of those with money and connections. Such is the case of alcohol posission in Saudi Arabia. Oficially it's illegal, but anyone who's been there will tell you that the Saudis have their stash of booze at home kept under lock, especially the more affluent families.

Fucking hypocricy is what it is , when it comes to alcohol in the Muslim world.

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Look at what happened in the

Look at what happened in the 1920s in the US when alcohol was illegal - it only increased crime.


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So.......alcohol was

So.......alcohol was not against allah if made in certain ways previously, but today any form of it is wrong. Have I got that right?

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thats right. Allah changed

thats right. Allah changed his mind. In Islam this is known as Doctrine of Abrogation. Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) was revealed this in Sura 2, verse 106:

Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?

 

This means if two revelations contradict each other then the later revelation overrides the older one and is to be followed.

 


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That would mean that Allah

That would mean that Allah was mistaken and changed his mind to correct the mistake.


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MattShizzle wrote:That would

MattShizzle wrote:
That would mean that Allah was mistaken and changed his mind to correct the mistake.
Or... perhaps it means that Mohammad forgot what he'd dictated a few weeks before and made shit up to cover his very fallible ass.

Just sayin'.

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sumra wrote:thats right.

sumra wrote:

thats right. Allah changed his mind. In Islam this is known as Doctrine of Abrogation. Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) was revealed this in Sura 2, verse 106:

Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?

 

This means if two revelations contradict each other then the later revelation overrides the older one and is to be followed.

 

Cool. Thanks. Smiling

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