Necessity Of Atheism - Too Lofty A Goal For Our Lifetime?

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Necessity Of Atheism - Too Lofty A Goal For Our Lifetime?

Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

 

There will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported customs.

The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with the new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience.

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It would take a miracle.

GaiusJanus wrote:

Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

Too Lofty A Goal For Our Lifetime?

It would take a miracle.

 

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GaiusJanus wrote:Necessity

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Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

 

There will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported customs.

The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with the new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience.

Sounds like an Orwell novel. 


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jmm wrote:Sounds like an

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Sounds like an Orwell novel. 

George Carlin wrote:

There's an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time.

Sounds like an Orwell novel except you can't even escape with death.

 

 

Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen


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GaiusJanus wrote:Necessity

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Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

 

There will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported customs.

The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with the new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience.

Too lofty a goal? No. Too loft an expectation, though... yeah, unfortunately. Not gonna happen as long as most people remain sheep. So first, change human nature.

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EXC wrote:GaiusJanus

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GaiusJanus wrote:

Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

Too Lofty A Goal For Our Lifetime?

It would take a miracle.

 

Dear me!  Not a funnier way to say that something will never happen!  It's not a bad Utopian ideal, really.  I'm sure we'll get somewhere better if we don't destroy ourselves in the meantime, just not to that point.


 

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The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Too lofty a goal ever.  This is in direct contradiction to evolution, and will never happen.

 

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As Hamby pointed out, in


As Hamby pointed out, in this part below, we are going above and beyond the definition of "lofty":

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The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

However, this part seems salvageable

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There will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported customs.

Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with the new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience.

I tend to agree with PZ Myer's analysis that secularism and atheism, as have risen vastly in the last 100 years, are a natural consequence of our scientific civlization. We tend to judge our present situation not with respect to the past, but our looking towards the future. Thus, for example, instead of considering that religion has suffered blows in terms of membership, power and authority that could certainly be considered crippling over the past 200 years, we lament the fact that it still has a great deal of power, and wish it didn't. As Sam Harris points out "what seems quixotic is quixotic on the other side of a radical change". It is entirely possible that we will eventually look at religious idiocy in the same way that we look at rain dancing.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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GaiusJanus wrote:Necessity

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Necessity Of Atheism - David Marshall Brooks

 

There will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability. Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported customs.

The goal is a free and universal society in which the people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with the new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience.

I don't think people can ever do much "voluntarily" we always expect something in return. What needs to take place is well developed, well structured social contracts. Where if the individual contributes to society, he/she can receive an adequate reward.

How is the population controlled? How do you deal with limited natural resources in this Utopia?

Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen