It is my impression, from personal experience with women, that it CAN be harmful for women's self esteem, their sense of worth as a human being, and not "just" a women, if men perpetuate the "wolf-whistle" culture (I don't know how better to describe it, but I hope you know what I mean).

That said, lust is a natural impulse, and wishing it away will do nothing helpful. Indeed trying to have only "pure" thoughts, especially of a religious nature, will more than likely make you even more perverted and so, you won't just be harming yourself, through guilt and self loathing, but also whatever women (or choir-boy or whatever) who ends up being the unfortunate victim of all your pent up sexual frustration.

The way to deal with lust is to just take responsibilty for your own thoughts, words and deeds.

I generally refrain from commenting on a woman's sex appeal in a context such as this, since here, we are all equal human beings, and we are not trying to score with eachother here (well at least, that's the impression I've got. Please correct me if I'm wrong).

I'll tell a women she is hot, or sexy or beautiful, or whatever, if I know her, if we are clearly flirting with eachother, and if the situation warrants it. I'll also tell a women, with conviction, and with no shame, that I want to fuck her brains out (pardon my french), but ONLY if we are allready clearly about to do so, and if I can sense from her, that it's what she wants to hear in that moment.

If you are a selfassured, mature man, that truly respects your fellow humans, man and woman alike, then you will sense what is appropriate to say in what context, and even if we sometimes get a bit carried away, and say something a bit too juvenile, if the recipient is a selfassured, mature woman (as all the women here seem to me to be) they'll probably take it in stride, and just feel a little flatered, in a slightly overbearing way. ("Wow, I'm so hot I got this otherwise reasonable guy to forget his manners for a moment" ).

As long as you don't make a habbit of it, you're not disrespecting their intelligense, but rather your own, and there's nothing wrong with that, that just teaches us humility to our own nature, and that's a good thing.

But really, I'm a guy so what do I know? Let's hear from the women what they think

Anybody who's been around long enough knows what I deal with from some people, although not on the forums so much as on YT or Stickam. I certainly don't mind; I want to be found attractive and enjoy the attention...to a degree. There is a boundary, though, with regards to what is said. If somebody says I'm beautiful, that's great. As soon as they start telling me where they want to stick their cocks, that's a tad unnecessary. I can infer that you likely want to stick it somewhere if you tell me how hot I am, so the elaboration is unnecessary.

That being said, I do prefer to see the comments that can appreciate the intelligence aspect rather than just the physical aspect. Looks only get you so far, and like I always say, there's only so many times you can fuck a bitch with tape over her mouth.

There is another reason, though, that complimenting a girl's looks here is a bit of a minefield. What if three or four girls (with a picture of themselves in their profile) are saying equally valid points in a given discussion, and some (or all) of the guys are only responding to the "pretty" girl, or perhaps even worse says: "girl 1, that's a good point, girl 2, wow, great insight, and girl 3, that was a good argument, oh and also, you're hot..."

There is nothing wrong with finding someone hot, and there is also nothing wrong with finding someone else not hot, but you run the risk of alienating girl 1 and girl 2, if you complement girl 3's looks. It is CLEARLY implied that the two others didn't appeal to you the same as third girl, and that IS hurtful. Now, they might be more than capable of handling that, but it's at best midly annoying, and so, if we aren't trying to pick eachother up anyway, best to avoid such a situation.

I mean, a smart, kind, insightful girl, deserves as much attention as a smart, kind, insightful, PRETTY girl in the kind of conversations we have here. I won't apologise for not being attracted to everyone, but I don't have to be attracted to someone to respect their views, and if I respect them, I do my best not to offend them, or even just make them feel bad.

Edit:

(Sarcasm on)

Oh, I see Kelly is in the thread. May I just say: Hi Kelly! You're great, I totally LOVE you. I'm new here, please pay attention to me!

To anyone who thinks that shameless rant is antithetical to everything I said above, please note that it has nothing to do with Kelly being hot, and everything to do with Kelly being famous. I mean, she's, like, been on TV and everythin'! That makes her, like, WAY more important than all the other posters here!

I'll gladly whore my principles out for the chance of some attention from an actual famous person

(sarcasm off)

You must not have found the secret cybersex forum yet then...

....and I'm totally kidding.

I do think online things are way more acceptable than they'd be in say a bar. I don't think any of the 3 would be offended by me saying I'd let any of the women who have posted so far in this thread do whatever they wanted to me - may be because the unlikelihood of meeting IRL anyone you see online. I'm unbelievably shy and would have a hard time saying that to a woman in a bar if I KNEW she wanted to throw me down right there shove her tongue down my throat and fuck me raw.

I AM not kidding , what man doesn't want to , fuck her brains out ??? as in control and own all girls ? , don't lie guys  .....        GIRLS rule MEN , and yin yang  ......

Oh...so all that's sarcastic, huh? (This is the point that I put my hands on my hips and give you the stare of death.) I see how it is. Fuckers.

*failed attempt at coolness* . .  .. meh . . . shes not bad I guess . . .

I quite agree that an individual's civil liberties should never be violated by another no matter what that individual looks like. I would also add that a person's physical appearance should never be taken as an excuse to ignore his/her personality or worse, make judgements about character based on the looks alone. Yet women and men who look hot on this forum are very intelligent and conscious of the fact that they look hot. Furthermore, they likely enjoy the fact that they look hot and are unabashed about teasing the masses. And the masses appreciate their hotness. This IMO is a good thing. Appreciating a sexy man or woman should never ever give license to inflict any kind of harm to those individuals. I think folks on a site like this generally appreciate their physically attractive colleagues with dignity and empathy.

I personally don't consider myself all that attractive and I certainly don't have any misgivings towards those who are. In fact, I say kudos to those who have the appropriate genetic contributions to their good looks. I am reminded of a song by the rock band Rush (a great atheist band) called The Trees. The tall, regal and lofty oaks hog all the light away from the short maples. The short maples cry oppression imposed by the oaks. The satirical end of the song was the solution of cutting down all the trees to the same height.

BTW, I wonder if some of you gorgeous atheist gals are into atheist bands like Rush or Pink Floyd.

Yep,

Roger Waters and David Gilmour are both atheists. And my wife thinks Roger Waters who is now in his 60s, is a gorgeous hunk. Too bad the two artists don't get along to officially reunite Pink Floyd.

I would think there would only be 3 possible places - unless the guy is really perverted (nasal sex????) - he'd also have to be seriously lacking in the size department there.  

Sepcially since their business is slicing the heads of cocks.

I think this is maybe a cultural thing - most of my relatives are from down East (Nova Scotia) and ribbing someone like that can go back and forth forever. Most, if not everything I say has mischief in it. (And of course you weren't serious.)

Heh...it strikes again. From this thread in my blog:

And yes, I also saw said person's comment about me in the CIA front thread.  It's only going to get worse.

I'm in short supply of the intelligence gene here folks, so I'll keep my reply short.  There are some hot men at this web site.

Many forums I regularly visit are virtually dominated by males, and the associated base instincts usually displayed by them, and that becomes tiring rather quickly. You know the saying, "it's a sausage fest." I certainly do appreciate the female presence here, especially in the intellectual discussions because the push for rationalism cannot be done with only half our ranks.

As a side-note, I like how many members here, both male and female, have photos of themselves available for others to see. It makes the conversations more personal in nature. On many forums practically nobody shows themselves and I find it more difficult to think of the places as communities rather than collections of assorted anonymous ramblings from the Internet Drones from Hell.

As for feeling offended, I can see why some of the ladies here could feel that way. It is offputting to be stereotyped, or characterized by others based upon appearance, whether it is about attractiveness, age, fashion, or some other personal trait. I can also see why some would feel offended when seeing others complimented, perhaps en masse, when they do not receive similar compliments, as Nikolaj insightfully noticed. Females are not necessarily alone in being offended by such things, of course, but they do tend to be the targets more often.

I generally avoid wolf-whistling, whether online or off. I think it's generally uncalled for and unbecoming, for while it might flatter it can also cause an ackward tension between you and the one who receives it or it might hurt the feelings of others who do not receive it. I think that if you are not pursuing a relationship with the person it's best to remain silent on their looks and if you do pursue a relationship then your actions would speak louder than your words while being less likely to offend or hurt others.

Is it weird that I find this comment refreshing? We have so many "[female RRS member] is sooo hot" comments that some female letchery would actually be welcome as a kind of balance.

Who says that the females are not making such comments in their own way that we, as males, cannot pick up on?  Considering that there many aspects to the female mind that we are still ignorant of, it is more than possible that tactics they would use to compliment a "hot guy" is not recognizable to males.  We do not have the idea of "mixed signals" for nothing

Thats what you get for thinking I guess

A dating site where women talked about quantum mechanics would suck because they would tell me that when they have the time they don't have the energy and when they have the energy they don't have the time. Bah, humbug!

I HATE hearing cat calls. It's not so much the cat calls, IMHO, as it is the person typically found yelling them. A big, dick-happy oilfield worker with far more money than a person with his IQ should be allowed to have, typically cheating on a trophy spouse with any number of insecure young girls they've picked-up at the bar. The surging population of these barbarian sociopaths has transformed Edmonton's night scene into what I think is an atrocious meat market, and one so economically lucrative it is supported wholeheartedly by the local municipality - in contrast to what they happen to contrarily say in public statements.

Personally I've never perpetuated the wolf-whistle culture on this forum. I've also answered personals on Craigslist, and when I do I never comment on the photo, but rather on what a woman says about herself and what she's looking for in a guy. This pays off: women appreciate it when you pay more attention to what they write about themselves and their ideal match then "ur photo is CUTE! call me" or "ur HOT!!!!"

I find it disgusting but not totally unexpected how Kelly (and other women here) get treated by some posters on this forum. Granted, these posters are the exception and not the rule, and most of them are trolls, but we've got some really handsome men who post here and they never have to deal with that shit.

I caught Kelly's interview with Mindcore on his podcast. Kelly and MC talked extensively about some of the more superficial things that people pay attention to/try to call you on when you're in the public eye.

A few months ago, a friend sent me an email concerning a religious group at my campus watch-dogging the Facebook activities of members of my school's secular organization (we used Facebook to publicize ourselves and gather interest). I had to go through my entire profile, leave certain groups, tone down my sense of humor... all because people can be sneaky bastards sometimes, and will use whatever ammunition against you that they can scrape off the floor.

My favorite equation: person + anonymity + audience = fucktard.

While I agree with Kelley and the Visual equation, .... I do however talk basically the same way regarding sex to most all the many female visitors in person  ..... Thing is, they can see me laughing and teasing and being funny. A new girl shows up here at this house music studio, and I most always say, "Hey a girl" with a grin and big eyes ..... "do you like boys?", or whatever, then I let it rest a while .... I do this in front of the crowd, not in the corner privately. I do this openly to loosen up the stiff crowd. Private is different.

I really like flirting, being friendly, and talking dirty, but it's not much about getting laid or my hands on them. I leave that up to them .....

I flirt "respectively" even more openly with my buddy's cool girl friends ..... all in fun. My uncle was like Dean Martin, and Tom Jones around the girls ..... when I grew up watching ....

 Hey, "what's up pussy cat" .... "Hey, does all that stuff really work?!" etc etc      

[ Note, regarding cool BoonDocks, and my post 35. I've never seen her. Something she said I just really appreciated alot ...Heck, I say similar tamer things to my friends 83 yr old mom I've known 48 yrs. To this day when she calls here she says like, "what ya doing sexy" !!! and I answer, hey it's my favorite girl, are ya horney  ?!!! and she laughs .... I love her !!!  ]    

Thanks for linking to that comic!  Also, is it just me or is the "x" on the Penny Arcade Expo logo creepily reminiscent of a cross?