The vulgarity and profanity are too much. I'm done. I am surprised this so called intellectual sight allows such trash. Proves what side you are on=evil!

 

My final proof for those who have not already sold out their mind, hearts and souls:

 

The cellular phone. Fascinating device really. You can talk to virtually anyone,  anywhere, and it will be clear, their voice even recognizable. You can send text, data, photos through air. The creation of this device in and of itself proves the existence of God. (No, I am not going to say what you are thinking now, I know that argument already). How? The technology is certainly something we could not come up with on our own, within some sort of higher power. I look around me and see the wonders of humankind, and the more scientific, medical and technological discoveries we make, the more my faith increases. Divine intelligence, proven in the ingenuity of God' creation, the mind of mankind. There it is, right in front of us!

When was the last time you saw an ape invent anything remotely close to what I am speaking of?

Thank you to all who responded with at least some respect. I must admit, I have gained much from this experience...I hope you have too.

I will pray for you all, I promise. May God bless you and guide you.

 

 

LOL.

 

Cellphones! Of course!

 

Ray Comfort, eat your heart out! Fuck bananas! Look at cellphones!

 

 

(Warning: Do not actually fuck the bananas.)

Aww, run out of steam already? Pity, this was fun, can't wait till the next preacher wanna be comes to save us all from our rich, delusion-free lives. Oh well, I guess I'm gonna have to settle with killing mindless religious cattle (the "Ganados&quot in Resident Evil 4. Mwa ah ah ah ah.

Louis_Cypher,  I don't think Mary is a squealer or a screamer, but a lip-biter, she just has that sexually starved, morality-bound, sex-is-a-sin look in her eyes that just wouldn't let her emit a sound while getting some. Meanwhile, she would be scratching the hell out of the back of the guy who is doing her.

Now we're on the subject, who do you think would be the best laid among biblical characters? My money is on Lilith -she was edited out, but close enough-.

 

not quite edited out.  as far as i know, there's no evidence she may've actually been in the canonical texts at one time.  she is, however, in the talmud, and she's probably an adopted chaldee goddess.  the jews seem to have no problem with her.  christians, however, throw a fit.  i too am sure she was pretty damn hot since, according to raphael patai in "the hebrew goddess," she was probably a helluva lot more popular among the old hebrews than both stuffy old yahweh and little miss chaste eve (who i'm sure was probably also hot but no doubt gave a terrible blow-job, with way too much teeth).

 aw. sierra never answered my David Copperfield post. I'm pretty sure if it was a David Copperfield trick, though, it would be cooler. Like with fireworks at the end.

Uh, sierra, the concepts behind the cellphone have been around since the 1920's (you might have heard of a newfangled gadget called a radio?), refined in 1947 with the advent of the mobile car phone, refined further in 1973 with the first cell phone and sold to the public in 1984.

Wouldn't God have made it so the cell phone would've appeared in it's current form (without having to go through all that tedious human invention and discovery)?

You pray for us - we'll think for you. Don't need God's approval - never got it as a believer anyway.

I wonder what sierra's opinion on the rampant homosexual pedophilia among Catholic priests is ?  I know naughty words by atheists causes sierra to go into full retreat......does sexual perversion involving children and Catholic clergy cause the same moral outrage ?

( naw, Catholics just go through their confession ritual and then act like it never happened )

I feel sad. Sierra never responded to any of my posts. Its as if I didn't exist. Kinda like her God.

You'all missed the point, knowledge is accumulated and passed on to the next generation. After it was possible to generate electricity using Faraday's invention, chemical batteries were replaced. This enabled the luxuries you have become accustomed to in your every day life. I can detail for you every step how one invention was instrumental in the basis of the next. None of this requires divine intervention only the ability to think, understand, and add new techniques to that which exists. That you see it as divine denigates man unfairly.

As to other creatures evolving, porpoises, dolphins, and whales would try if the ink wouldn't wash away.

Sigh. Our righteous friend can't even be honest about leaving in a huff. Here he is again, to reiterate his cretinous argument from personal incredulity.

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Weren't there other people here before that kept threatening to "take their toys and go home?" Anyway, I'm pretty much done responding to his/her/its nonsense. No, that doesn't mean you won. Paraphrasing an old Monty Python skit "You are a very silly person and I refuse to debate you any longer." You might want to learn the first thing about logic before you continue to frustrate people with your utter irrationality.

Well this depends on what you mean by evolution. I will go into this in a second, first I want to clear up another misconception. Evolution and progress do not mean the same thing, at least not in Darwinian terms (Darwin actually disliked the word evolution because it gave this conception. Evolution in our terms simply means change over time.

Technological advance is not evolution in the genetic, biological sense. But it is evolution in the sense that it has come about through the selection of randomly occuring and variating replicators. All of the progress our species has encountered in the past few hundred years, technology, science, our outward phenotype has actually been down to a change in the cultural replicators (or memes) that have been selected.

The mobile phone (or cell phone to yanks) did indeed evolve by a combination of natural and artificial selection. Almost every single part of it evolved memetically, from the design of its computer chips, the way it picks up microwaves, the numbers and letters it uses, the layout of the buttons, the name, the languages installed in its texting software. Sure it is testament to the brilliance of the human mind, but not a single human mind, but millions.

This next bit is aimed at Sierra. So as I was saying, the human brain is a fantastic computer, perhaps much slower than an electronic computer at somethings, but ultimately far more advanced. At any point a part in a computer might be linked to three or four other parts, the human brain however has billions of links to billions of neruones, it is a super computer, even yours Sierra! However, to bring God into this equation as the creator of the mind is unnecessary. Its a simple argument from design, and it has many examples, but essentially it is the same argument no matter what item in the world you use, banana, brain, mobile phone, it doesn't matter. The fact is that you are projecting an intelligent creator into the picture when it simply isn't needed, there are actually processes in nature which can create ordered complexity out of chaos.

Natural selection isn't just unique to biology. Even before life on Earth, or anywhere else in the universe, objects that were stable survived when unstable objects crumbled or destroyed themselves. Sure, they had no inheritable features as they are not replicating entities, but there is a reason that large celestial objects form rough spheroid shapes - because the sphere is the most stable shape for large objects.

A chemical arose on Earth 4 billion years ago that made crude copies of itself using base components found in the primeval ooze. This was the first RNA (a pre-cursor to DNA). The exact make up of these replicating molecules was variable, i.e it could have different sequences of the base pairs, and these sequences could lead to different effects. Those sequences that led to effects that protected the molecule would pass on their characteristics, whereas those that didn't have beneficial effects perished in the competition for base components and gradually there was the beginnings of the cell. Gradually molecules joined together and formed complex clusters, new variations arose and depending on the effects of the sequencing on the formation of proteins they would survive or perish, those that survived could pass on their genetic sequences to the next generation.

So, about the human brain. A few billion years later on the plains of Africa, there arose a group of mammals known as apes. One particular species, now extinct was the ancestor of three present day species - homo sapiens sapiens (humans), pan troglodytes (chimpanzees) and pan paniscus (bonobos/ pygmy chimps). Many, of that species began to roam the plains rather than stay in the forests. At some point a global climatic event took place which made Africa an extremely harsh environment to live in, our ancestors weren't large or strong creatures, but we were sociable (which already meant our brains had grown to some size). Our advantage over the harsh conditions was the size of our brains, and the individuals with the largest brains were able to survive long enough to procreate and thus in a short space of time, evolutionarily speaking, our ancestors (and various cousin species such as homo sapiens (neanderthal) and homo erectus) developed extremely large brains.

 

Scientifically proven mracles?  Show us the scientific proof of even one miracle.

*chokes on beer drops it as laughs so hard spills it on keyboard*