Young Earth would nullify Evolution

Holy_Spirit_is_Welcome's picture

Only a single shred of undeniable evidence of an Earth less than even 1 million years old would create lots of problems for Evolutionists.

Here's a link for 14 possibilities to chew on...counterpoise?

http://www.icr.org/article/1842/

todangst's picture

Come on, young earth theory

Come on, young earth theory died in the 19th century. Every point on that page is refuted here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-youngearth.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html 

In fact, most of the claims on that page were refuted before we were born.

If you really are interested in learning (and not just arguing) you'll go to a library. Odd are, you'll prefer to stay ignorant of what science really says on the matter, and instead 'debate' the issue on the internet....

 

 

"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'

Holy_Spirit_is_Welcome's picture

Your "profound" answers

Your "profound" answers lead to a single end...Do you know what it is?

It is not the volume of evidence that one needs to believe any certain way, but rather a belief that most adequately encompasses the evidence.

I took your challenge, Todangst, to read up and not be ignorant.  I read links that the site and you yourself had provided, and surprisingly, it further solidified my belief in a creator.

A man believed he was dead. No matter what happened or with whom he spoke, he was stuck on believing he was dead.  His friends, concerned, arranged a meeting with a shrink.  The shrink asked what the problem was? The man stated that there was no problem, just that he believed he was dead.  The shrink thought for a moment on how he could convince this man that he was in fact not dead. He asked, if I prick your finger, will you bleed? Of course if a man were dead, his heart would not be pumping, so logically, no was his answer.  The shrink pricked the man's finger and it bled.  The man was simply astonished! So dead men DO bleed!

The fact is that whatever the world view is, what ever the preconceived notions or things merely taken as truth are, the evidence will be contorted by the individual to fit his world view. If you take it for granted that the earth is 4.6 Billion years old and that there was no uncaused cause, then you will view all evidence with a lens that could easily misconstrue the evidence to fit the world view.

 

BTW, your two first links cover 2 of the 14, and your third link is dead...really convincing...plese try again.

todangst's picture

Holy_Spirit_is_Welcome

Holy_Spirit_is_Welcome wrote:

Your "profound" answers lead to a single end...Do you know what it is?

It is not the volume of evidence that one needs to believe any certain way, but rather a belief that most adequately encompasses the evidence.

I took your challenge, Todangst, to read up and not be ignorant.

Please stop lying to yourself. And there's no point in lying to me. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd not post such nonsense.

And no one believes you read everything I linked for you already... that's just silly.

So stop lying to yourself.

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I read links that the site and you yourself had provided, and surprisingly, it further solidified my belief in a creator.

I don't find that surprising at all... if you go in with ignorance, and a closed mind, and you ignore pretty much everything other than a few scraps, you'll come away just as ignorant.

No shock there.

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The fact is that whatever the world view is, what ever the preconceived notions or things merely taken as truth are, the evidence will be contorted by the individual to fit his world view.

Read that over to yourself, over and over, to you get the irony....

 

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BTW, your two first links cover 2 of the 14, and your third link is dead...really convincing...plese try again.

If you have problems with the links, then try to fix them yourself in a browser.. it doesn't take much to do that.

Here's what you missed:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

All you had to do was remove the extra lettes at the end after "html" if you really gave a damn, you'd have done it.

 

Going through the list now, I see responses to everything so far:

 http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE380.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE401.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB030.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD010.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD015.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG041.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG040.html

 

Do I need to go through each one with you? Tell you what you don't see the refutation yourself, tell me and I'll find it for you...

So much for you 'researching' the matter, I found refutations in 2 minutes. Why didn't you?

Please go to a library and learn what's really going on, for your own sake. You're embarrassing yourself here. You don't know what you're talking about, and it shows.

 

"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'

The first "possibility" in

The first "possibility" in the link is "Galaxies wind themselves up too fast." But almost every galaxy in the universe is more than 1 million light years way. The very fact that we can see these galaxies contradicts the "Biblical" age of the earth (which is much less than 1 million years). Sorry, try again.

RationalSchema's picture

Holy, your behaving in a

Holy, your behaving in a psuedoscientific manner.

Religion and belief in God meet at least two criteria for psuedoscience.

1. They violate the premise of FAlSIFIABILITY.

2. Religion continues to change it's dogma and interpretations based on new evidence. In other words, the kid who keeps changing his story every time he gets caught in a lie.

"Those who think they know don't know. Those that know they don't know, know."

todangst's picture

MrRage wrote: The first

MrRage wrote:
The first "possibility" in the link is "Galaxies wind themselves up too fast." But almost every galaxy in the universe is more than 1 million light years way. The very fact that we can see these galaxies contradicts the "Biblical" age of the earth (which is much less than 1 million years). Sorry, try again.

 Nice point. Creationists are forced to respond by saying that creating things gives an 'apparent age'

But by that argument, they are sunk, because they enter into universal skepticism.... who's to say that the universe wasn't created 5 seconds ago then? They concede that we can no longer trust our senses concerning anything, and therefore can no longer prove anything.

Notice that our friend doesn't really seem interested in answers... I had to go and get them for him, but he refuses to actually read them. 

 

"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'

0wn3d

1. Galaxies wind themselves up too fast.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE380.html

2. Too few supernova remnants.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE401.html

3. Comets disintegrate too quickly.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261.html

4. Not enough mud on the sea floor

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD220.html

5. Not enough sodium in the sea.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221.html

6. The earth's magnetic field is decaying too fast.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701.html

7. Many strata are too tightly bent

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD510.html

8. Biological material decays too fast.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB621_1.html

9. Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic "ages" to a few years

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF201.html

10. Too much helium in minerals.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD015.html

11. Too much carbon 14 in deep geologic strata

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_6.html

12. Not enough Stone Age skeletons

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC381.html

Also, this claim contradicts #8 above.

13. Agriculture is too recent.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG041.html

14. History is too short.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/specific_arguments/history.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG040.html