The Noble Quran

ALMALHAMAH's picture

I know most atheists on here who read the bible many times over, but have you ever even taken a look at the Quran?

The Quran still exists today in its origional language (unlike the bible) and there is only ONE version. The only version is in arabic, and can be translated into other languages though it loses some of its elequence and meaning. some arabic words are not available in english. Nonetheless, these are the translation to help you understand the Quran and listen to it in its origional language at the same time:

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
{ He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religio

todangst's picture

Yes, I've looked at the

Yes, I've looked at the Qu'ran

You write:

The Quran still exists today in its origional language (unlike the bible) and there is only ONE version.

Empirical evidence rebukes this view of the origins of the Qur'an as pure fantasy. In the 1970s, parts of very old copies of the Qu'ran were found in a burial plot in Yemen. Some of the parchment pages of the Qur'an found in the famous "Yemeni hoard" are troublingly at odds with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God. The Yemeni hoard is an Islamic burial ground for old copies of the Qu'ran from the 2nd and 3rd centuries of the Islamic calender. These parchment pages not only contain suras that are different from the suras appearing in a modern copy of the Qu'ran, they contain suras that contradict modern passages. For more on this, see this page:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/199901/koran

What the Yemeni copies of the Qur'an clearly suggest is that the Qur'an was an evolving text rather than simply the Word of God as revealed in its entirety to the Prophet Muhammad in the first century of the Islamic calendar.

This is devasting for the veracity of the Qur'an as the word of god - for unlike christianity, Islam is steadfast, since the 10th century, that the Qu'ran is the word of god. If it is, why would Muslim clerics EDIT it?

Those who know the good, do the good. - Socrates

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Randalllord's picture

For those that wish to read

For those that wish to read the Koran online:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

It looks about as irrational and tribal as the Bible does to me.

For those that wish to see a quick skeptical review of the Koran, it's author and related history:
http://www.atheists.org/Islam/mohammedanism.html

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca

ALMALHAMAH's picture

"It contained nothing more,

"It contained nothing more, in fact, than an unappealing mash of old parchment and paper documents—damaged books and individual pages of Arabic text, fused together by centuries of rain and dampness, gnawed into over the years by rats and insects. "

This is what i found on that site, Muslims don't burry the Quran under ground or carry it with them to the grave, this is an absurd attempt at the credibility of the Quran.

Second of all its not the complete copy of the Quran.

Third, there is no evidence that it contradicts the Quran we have now.

Conclusion: your claims are baseless.

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
{ He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religio

ALMALHAMAH's picture

Hey thanks for the links

Hey thanks for the links Randallord, i guess the best place to learn about muslims are from nonmuslims... makes sense. (sarcasticly speaking)

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
{ He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religio

Randalllord's picture

Almalhamah, Sometimes the

Almalhamah,
Sometimes the best and unbiased sources are not those of the person(s) doing the promoting. Sarcasm noted.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca

ALMALHAMAH's picture

The best and unbiased??? Do

The best and unbiased??? Do you even have any historical documents about the biography of Muhammed (pbuh)??

The fact of the matter is the basis for BOTH muslims and nonmuslims of the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is from the Hadith and Sira, who preserved these works? MUSLIMS.

So in essence your source is the same as ours, you are just more ignorant of these facts.

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
{ He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religio

todangst's picture

ALMALHAMAH wrote:"It

ALMALHAMAH wrote:
"It contained nothing more, in fact, than an unappealing mash of old parchment and paper documents—damaged books and individual pages of Arabic text, fused together by centuries of rain and dampness, gnawed into over the years by rats and insects. "

This is what i found on that site, Muslims don't burry the Quran under ground

You don't know what you're talking about. Read the article.

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Second of all its not the complete copy of the Quran.

You just contradicted yourself, you said that muslims don't bury the qu'ran, but now you're referencing the copy in question.

Here's a better link:

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/quran1.html

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Third, there is no evidence that it contradicts the Quran we have now.

Yes, there is. Read the site.

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/quran1.html

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Conclusion: your claims are baseless.

Conclusion: your just denying away reality. As usual.

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/quran1.html

Islamic people are doing the analysis.

Those who know the good, do the good. - Socrates

Books on atheism.

ALMALHAMAH's picture

For every old Quran we have,

For every old Quran we have, matches the same we have now: http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_401_450/oldest_quran_in_the_world.htm

and your german scholars are not even finished analyzing the Quran 30+ years later... lol.

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
{ He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religio