It is not their fault they are differently abled.

Now, both of you have had me blast both of you. I will NOT post in this thread and consider it ONE ON ONE.  I may start another peanut gallery thread. But this one is between the two of you.

But keep this in mind. I hear constantly in the news how both sides want peace. And I am sure there are PLENTY in both camps who do.

However, it seems that it is a peace based on all or nothing and the submission of the other.

My postulation TO BOTH SIDES, is that neither wants to budge because of history of tradition and RELIGION.

"Just follow me" seems to be what the other side says will solve all the problems, which WONT happen.

So how DO each of you think this problem can be solved without the baggage of the past? Neither side can undo what has been done. Neither can get rid of the other.

I would like to think BOTH of you know ultimately no matter how much each side in this conflict disagrees, that ultimately we are still dealing with humans.

So without HE SAID SHE SAID, and with out "MINE" or "THEY STARTED IT"

What would each of you do if you could have the power to end this conflict right now?

I want each of you to talk as humans, not labels. As if BOTH of you were trying to arbitrate a fight between co-workers or friends or family members.

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Lion, I have a mental exercize that I would like to speak with you about.  Now I used to be a Southern Baptist before I deconverted and I do not know which denomination you are in, so there will be undoubtably differences between my former theological beliefs and yours.  I will try to keep this rather generalized to minimize differences in those beliefs.

My question to  you is:  Would you do it this way if you were God?  And please don't just respond either on here, or in your own mind, that you cannot know the mind of God.  For that is simply a way to shut down all thought processes.  I hope you are courageous enough to actually think this through.

So let me explain my question.

I'm a pretty good, decent person.  And I believe you are too.

I'm in my mid-30's, married with children, work in a white collar job.

I've never killed, raped, molested, or beaten up anyone.  I have never broken into a home or stolen a vehicle.  I've never robbed a store or an employer.  I've never been arrested or charged with any felonies.

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I've often wondered why faith healers, especially ones regarded as genuine can't help an injured soldier re-grow his amputated leg and other more externally noticeable issues.

All the healing seems to be internal, which is a bit of a fraud because many different diseases can go into remission naturally anyway, thus negating any sort of divine intervention.

Being a former pentecostal attendee I watched a lot of failed healing. Recently I met a guy who claimed to be a healer. I asked him to fix the varicose vein n my right thigh, he said it does not work that way. If that's the case what on earth is the point? If faith healing really works it would put doctors out of business.

Now before someone says you need to have faith in the first place before you can be healed, this seems like a fallacy to me. Surely if god does love us and wants us in heaven then healing people would be a great recruitment tool.

Theists:  Suppose that you were offered complete and total proof that your God (or gods) did not exist and that no other form of god existed either.  How would you change your life?

Atheists:  Suppose that you were offered complete and total proof that some god did exist.  How would you change your life?

I have asked this question of representatives of both communities in the past.  The answers never cease to amaze me.  Perhaps the answers here will help others as well.

Finally, please don't dodge the question by saying something like "no such proof is possible."  I'm OK with whatever the criteria you may have being completely impossible, highly ridiculous, and incredibly inconsistent.  I don't really care what the criteria would be and I'm not asking you to imagine what it would take for yourself.  I'm just saying that suppose a switch was flipped and you no longer questioned the existence of a god (you knew as strongly as you "know" now that the opposite of whatever you believe now was true).  The important part of the question is:  How would you change your life?

I view religion as simply as a byproduct of culture. I think that it is an emotional and psychological crutch that people use to give reason to their lives, a reason to be good, and a reason to be relieved from the pointlessness of being mortal.

I view religion as being something that it useful for a number of people, but that it is unnecessary. I think that all of the feelings that you can experience in a religion, you can experience in an atheist way of life. I also think that the evidence of religious belief is not very strong, but that's not what I want to discuss here. What I want to discuss is the fact that there is nothing in religion that cannot be felt by an Atheist. There may be no objective reason to do anything, but that doesn't bother most of us. A subjective reason, is better than no reason. Here are some common positive things said about religion.

1. Religion gives purpose:

I personally believe that it is ultimately up to the person who asks "Why am I here" to answer his/her own question. Why are you here? To be a loving father? To cure cancer? To be a teacher? To do nothing? I ultimately cannot tell you the ultimate purpose, because I do not know the ultimate purpose. I think there isn't one. So we have to give our lives a purpose. It may be subjective and it may not be everlasting, but a purpose that is small is still a purpose.

2. Religion teaches you to cherish your neighbor.