Atheist vs. Theist

Susan's picture

Why Pascal's Wager Sucks

A friend forwarded a message received from a xian attempting to use Pascal's Wager. The reply is classic.

 

The message:

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Someday, you'll understand. I feel sorry for you. Just promise me one thing, IF you were to hypothetically end up burning in hell or something, don't curse the religious for not saving you int time. Just consider that if my beliefs are wrong, so what, I'm worm food or whatever, no big loss. But if you're wrong, you're screwed. But you still have tons of chances to get it. Believe it or not, God loves you and when you meet your maker, you'll remember this and regret not taking it seriously. Good luck on your road of life, maybe our paths will cross someday.

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Question for our Christian visitors

Most Christians claim that Jesus fulfilled the law of the Old Testiment and therefore they are no longer under it. They claim to now be under grace. If that true then why do you get so upset when someone tries to remove dispalys of the Ten Commandments form public places like courthouses or schools?

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THEISM IS IRRATIONAL, VIEWS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

Theism is irrational. This thread is a compilation of views from our community on why theism is irrational. The show is available right now via subscription.

Sapient's picture

Questions about God... theists answer these!

List of questions about God, religion and the supernatural have been compiled by IG over the years as well as some interesting ones by readers.

1. If Jesus fulfilled all the OT prophecies so well, why didn't the Jews recognize him as the messiah? - Francois Tremblay

2. If Gen 3:24 is true, why hasn't anyone found the Cherubims and the " flaming sword which turned every way"?

3. It's been proven that modern humans originated from Africa. Yet, the Adam and Eve story claims the first Humans lived in a garden in Eden, near 4 rivers. ( Most of which no one can find). One of these rivers mentioned is the Euphrates, which runs through Iraq, Syria and a portion of Turkey. What's the truth? Did man come out of Africa or near the Euphrates River? - The Infidel Guy

Why are you here?

Why are you here on this website?

If you are trying to discover yourself, kudos, but this post is not necessarily for you. Search, ask and research until you are satisfied or bored...

 

This post is a theist attack on atheism:

If the atheist view and/or your personal view on the "purpose of life" is essentially survival or defined (anything else), then why choose to spend time on something like this website that is not necessary for your survival or personal gain? <-- you could be more focused and get rich like zuckerberg!

If the atheist view and/or your personal view on the "purpose of life" is undefined, then why continue to live? <-- if you're contemplating suicide, don't do it!

Is part of your purpose in life simply to discredit theism?

 

The questions are loaded. If you respond, then they served their purpose. If you read it and don't respond, they still served their purpose. If the topic is deleted, they still served their purpose.

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The god of the gospels does not fulfill his promises

 

In a recent discussion, if I judged the posts correctly, two people, tlctim and ex-minister, testified in their earlier years they fervently believed, prayed and sought Jesus. In the end, after honestly believing and seeking god, they now know there is no god; they received no response to their fervent belief or prayer. I am going to echo their testimony. As a youngster, I devoutly believed without reservation, I prayed and received the sacraments in full faith, love and complete honesty. Yet, I now know god does not exist.


The gospel promises, on the word of god himself, that if you pray, your prayers will be answered and if you believe, you will be saved. Belief and prayer are the fundamental requirement for a response from god. God promised they would work if performed in good faith. We fulfilled these requirements and as a result, we know that god doesn’t exist because after all we did to believe, to meet his requirements, to do exactly as the gospels demand, there was no response.

 

The gospels explain that man is weak, he cannot, of himself, do good or find god. One can only find god through god, through prayer. Therefore since our prayers and belief were honest and heartfelt, the fault must lie with the system.

The god of the gospels does not fulfill his promises (particularly concerning prayer and healing the sick) and if he doesn’t fulfill his promises he cannot be god, he cannot exist.

 

Jeffrick's picture

Forever 7 Foundation

                      My 10-year old neice did this video,  she was born in NY and lives in florida .   My wife and her sisters do a christmas charity in Guyana each year,  I know I have mentioned this before here.  I get to play Santa Claus.  The charity is called Forever 7 Foundation.  In the video the 6 women in white Tee's are the sisters. There was once 7  sisters, one died [ergo forever 7 foundation] In the red tee's are neice's and nephews [they hand out the gifts] in the green tee's are the helpers.   The pictures were shot at my house in Guyana.  At 1:36 is ME with my wife [in blue/green dress] and a sister in law.  At 3:54 is my wife alone. Otherwise I am in the Santa outfit.                         If you want to contribute to the Forever 7 foundation,  DON'T; it's a family charity they would just send the money back to you with a thank you note. If you want to fly down and help; you are welcome, I have a big house and several other houses nearby so you will have a nice place to stay. For very little money you can live like a millionaire for the time you are there. Please enjoy the video and remember it was done by a 10 year old.

 

Argumentation suggesting there might be many "gods"

I'm not going to say this is true, but I find it plausible and interesting.

Let me paraphrase an argument by Nick Bostrom: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

If you believe that human technology will continue to advance, and that we will colonize the solar system and beyond, then there will eventually come a point where we will be able to build enormously powerful computers (e.g. computers with the mass of Jupiter). Look at how far video games have come in 20 years and consider what could be done with such a computer. With a sufficiently powerful computer, we will be able to run simulations of our ancestors' lives with accuracy. In fact, we will be able to run such simulations a great many times.

Presumably the ancestors living in the simulated world will have minds and feelings just like us - their minds do not depend on the substrate (e.g. brain, silicon, or other) in which their mental and neurological processes are executed. Now, if the number of simulated ancestors is very large in comparison to the real population of people, then the question is, how do you know you aren't living in such an ancestor simulation right now? Statistically, chances are that you are one of the simulated beings and not a "real" person.

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William Lane Craig vs. John Shook (debate clip)

John Shook explains naturalism to William Lane Craig in this five minute clip of the debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcnZRctcleM  A theist put the clip up on YouTube, so he titled the video saying that Craig humiliated Shook, but it's really the other way around.

 

 

Why do atheists spend so much time discussing a "being" they dont believe exists?

Atheists have commonly said this life is the only one that we have therefore every minute is precious. If this is the case, why do atheists spend so much of their "precious" time talking about, discussing, arguing, researching and complaining about something they dont believe exists?

How many of you are on big foot, tooth fairy and Lepricorn websites arguing with believers that what they believe exists is false?

Now i suppose i will hear responses regarding the negative impacts religions have on society, however the last time i checked, the biggest mass murderers in history are atheists. I am not saying that atheism caused these mass killings, but am just pointing out that this reason shows that the objection is false.

So atheists, why do you spend so much time.

Talk about irrational........

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