The Jesus Mythicist Campaign

Rook_Hawkins's picture

What is the Jesus Mythicist's Position?

The Rational Response Squad is a Jesus-Free™ team. What does this mean? It means we are all Jesus Mythicists. You may ask yourself, what is a Mythicist? (And more importantly, are you one as well?) These are excellent questions and you probably have more, which is what this bulletin is about to cover.

Here is one brief synopsis into what the Jesus Mythicist stance is:

  1. Earl Doherty argues that Christianity began as a mystical-revelatory religion, very different from the "deviant" sect that won the propaganda war to become the eventual "orthodoxy." The latter gained prominence in the 2nd century and achieved total victory by the 4th. According to this theory, the idea of an historical progenitor was not original to the faith even in Paul's day, but evolved over the course of the later 1st century. As Doherty argues, "Jesus Christ" (which means "The Anointed Savior") was originally a heavenly being, whose atoning death took place at the hands of demonic beings in a supernatural realm halfway between heaven and earth, a sublunar sphere where he assumed a fleshly, quasi-human form. This and the rest of the "gospel" was revealed to the first Christians in visions and inspirations and through the discovery of hidden messages in the scriptures. After the confusion of the Jewish War and persistent battles over power in the church, rooted in a confused mass of variant sectarian dogmas, a new cult arose with the belief that Jesus actually came to earth and was crucified by Jews with the complicity of the Roman authorities. To defend itself against sects more closely adhering to the original, mystical faith, the new church engaged in polemics and power politics, and eventually composed or adopted writings (chiefly the canonical Gospels) supporting its views.

Rook_Hawkins's picture

A Thorough Examination of the Evidence for Jesus

NEEDS REVISIONS!  This will be a huge resource of information on the evidences given for the existence of a historical Jesus. I will work on it more later, but for now I'll post what most people have already seen. (It will be a good starting point for me as well to continually revise what I already have)

Rook_Hawkins's picture

The Campaign FAQ

Welcome to the official "Jesus Mythicial Campaign" FAQ. Here you will find all the answers to your questions, and if by some bizarre turn of events you can't, contact me and your question and my answer will be posted here with the rest for other insightful people.

WHAT IS IT?

[i]The Jesus Mythicist Campaign is aimed at the education of millions of lay-people all over the globe who are under the false impression that Jesus existed. These are your normal, everyday people, your teachers, your cab drivers, your parents, a sibling. Some of them are even peers of yours, or a scholar or professor who have long - too long - fit into the mold of trying to please the majority.

ApostateAbe's picture

Trusting the evidence, distrusting the evidence, and explaining the evidence

Someone in another forum (http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?p=6991844#post6991844) commented on the title of Ehrman's delayed e-book on the existence of Jesus:

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Isn't it interesting that it is called:

The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth

rather than the historical evidence for Jesus?

That alone already speaks volume about the quality of the evidence. Why, afterall, would you need to make an argument if the evidence was good enough?

"Why, afterall, would you need to make an argument if the evidence was good enough?"

I think this is an essential point, because it reflects the way of thinking among many of us, and it seems to be a misleading way of thinking. The seeming fallacy is to think about ancient historical claims purely in terms of whether or not we should trust them. We get in this mode of thought because we are critical thinkers and we argue against the claims of religion so much.

Question: Paul and the sudden founding of Christianity

I am a Mythicist as well, and I highly applaud this forum for its great and fantastic work. I have asked for any historical evidence for over five years, and thus far remain unsatisfied with he position that Jesus existed.

After overlooking all the "evidences" for Jesus, as well as reading about similar myths arised and such, there is only one thing left that remains uncertain - which is also a big scratch on the head for most people. So here is my question:

How did Christianity arise so quickly? I am told that 20-30 churches were discovered within the 1st century (I do not fully buy it, but please feel free to prove this wrong) and the first person to write about Jesus comes from Paul - who never met Jesus and only "experienced" him on the way to Damascus.

I am aware that religions like Christianity do not take a miracle to take place (there are plenty of natural ways) but the question remains how did churches suddenly become established shortly after the death of the supposed Christ.

Please feel free to give an explanation (more the detail the better) and if I got anything else incorrect (there were fewer than 20 churches OR they did not appear until X decades later) feel free to point it all out.

Thank you for you help and input.

Marty Hamrick's picture

Skype Debate Show

  I am in the process of attempting to put together a debate show via skype between two scholars, one Christian, the other, an atheist/agnostic from the Jesus mythicist side. I have one guy from the CARM site, Metacrock, who's always itching to debate someone and posting how educaed he is on a PHD level and I would like if possible to pit him against someone with a fairly high profile such as Acharya S or perhaps Brian Flemming. I've attempted to contact Acharya through facebook, yet at this time her friends list is too full, so I posted on her discussion area on her page. I'm open to suggestions. This is my first time attempting something like this, so I'm looking for all the suggestions I can get.

ApostateAbe's picture

debate on Debate.org: The historical Jesus predicted a first-century doomsday

The historical Jesus predicted a first-century doomsday

This debate is a long and rambling debate on the historical Jesus that I completed on Debate.org, against a fellow secularist, who advocated for uncertainty. I take my position and arguments to be roughly representative of secular critical scholars of the New Testament, and my opponent did very well, so I take it to be a very educational debate on the topic.

If you would rather have something shorter, then here is a debate on the same topic against a Christian:

The historical Jesus Christ was a doomsday cult leader

He ran away mid-debate, but I presented the evidence fully.

Recovering fundamentalist's picture

So when is the Muhammed mythicist campaign going to begin?

I was just wondering.

JesusNEVERexisted's picture

Caesar's Messiah: Jesus was an invention of the Romans (website)