I have been debating theists on myspace, the rrs, and now even youtube. It is amazing to me that from the most ignorant to the most intellectual (such as the apologists) the theists are always redefining themselves in order to over come the logical fallacies presented to them by the rational thinkers. It's almost as if their religoin is "evolving" and molding itself to fit science's or just even plain rationality's complete annihilation of their arguments. The best is when they use straw men arguments, because it's the only way they can then argue defeat an argument (that they themselves set up). They argue from ignorance and they usually chase red herrings. And when all else fails, they throw the faith card at ya.
One of my favorite fallacies is when they say, well science hasn't been able to prove how the universe came to be! SO BY DEFAULT IT MUST HAVE BEEN GOD. That's usually followed by, what have you got to loose by believing in god? (good 'ol pascall's wager).
I could go into all the arguments against why believing in creation is a fallacy, but then again, everyone has heard these over and over from me. But I will say this. Defaulting to a belief in a god that there is absolutely no evidence for is just ignorant. The bible is not the inerrant word of god because the bible is full of errancies, contradictions, impossibilites and historical fallacies. Plus, the three abrahamic religions competing for regional and/or global control all stem from the same god, and they all claim the other two are false, and they all have a book that each claim is the inerrant word fo god. The result has been systematic suffering of the human race. How can this be? If god was truly real...why would he create three religions to worship him/her while they are out to destroy the other? Then, one would logically have to admit that this god is by no means benevolent and that, then would lead you to believe that he/she is not worth worship. Why would I worship a god that created me to be miserable? Fact is there is no god...
But that's just part of the story. There is just overwhelming evidence for natural causes of the earth. The earth is beautiful, cherish it, love it. Live to live...don't live to die. Live without fear of retribution, live morally (and by that I mean, live in a manner that is not hurting yourself, others or the earth), live to preserve this earth. Theists are so worried about what happens to htem when they die, that they have completely forgotten how to live. They make their life here on earth miserable. They use terms like, only in heaven will I find true happiness. Well, if you're not happy here on earth, what's the whole damn point to God's plan? Is he playing some kind of sadistic game while he sits on his throne enjoying the suffereing to see how many people he can get to still worship him no matter how miserable they are? It just doesn't make sense...if you look at the world from a natural standpoint you would realize that, life happens. There is no necessary reason. But we have to make the best of what we have.
I mean, just stop to think about it for a while. Go out to the mountains stop to think....spend some time alone in nature to think about how it all works. There cannot be a god if you look at the intricacies of the way nature works, it's systematic chaos. Plain and simply put, there really is no reason at all. Let's make the best of it by cherishing the fact that we are here and we have to learn to live with each other. No more hate, no more wars, no more destruction fo the earth. It is simply amazing to me how awful things have gotten, namely in the name of god.
I will leave you with this quote:
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."-- Charles Darwin
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