The end of days is near...always!

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The end of days is near...always!

     There have been many times that the world has been predicted to end. As far as I know, so far, the world is now to end sometime around 2012. I have read about Aztec beliefs of it and the other day, due to my insatiable boredom, deciphered through a Hinduist belief of the end of the world. But, due to it's difficultly written nature, it seemed more like the start of the world. http://www.godrealized.com/ is the web page, for anyone who wants to try and read through.

     But back to my original topic. Are there any other dates of end, what specifically happens to the world, and what are your thoughts on these dates. I myself don't buy into the end, but what are your opinions? Link if you like, I have nothing better to do.

 

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More confusion

It also seems like he has Christian belief because he says god, seemingly singular. hmmm...


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They are all bullpucky! 

They are all bullpucky!  The bibble talks about end times saying that only god knows when it will happen.  I'm not positive, but I think jesus was the first to predict end times and he said many of those living during his time would see the end times.  Now, if jeebus really is god, the end times did not occur when he predicted it would, then jeebus/god lied and is full of shit.  If god didn't lie and end times have yet to occur then jeebus is not god.  My personal opinion of all of this is jeebus/god doesn't exist and end times (which will occur through no contribution by any spiritual freak) will occur a few billion years hence through the normal course of a sun dying, and the bibble was written by a bunch of cave dwelling hippies (sorry, that gives modern hippies a bad name, huh?) consuming too much dope or whatever they were imbibing at the time.

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Good points

I like the points you make. I especially like how you called "the savior of man" Jeebus. Ha! I agree with the natural, scientific end of the sun, exploding into a supernova and destroying life on earth. Luckily, neither of us will be around for that happening. Perhaps the real question i should ask you is what do you think will happen afterwards? A black hole or just a dwarf star?

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P.S. my girlfriend told me to say that she giggle a bit at bibble.


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I'm not a physicist or

I'm not a physicist or astromnomer so I can't speak as to which kind of ending the sun will have but I'll bet it will be one hell of a show.  Actually, I kinda think I'd like to see that one.  Kick back in a lawn chair with a little bud and a little Bud. BTW, I can't take credit for "jeebus" that was being used here long before I saw it.  I've been using the term holly bibble since I was a kid.  Don't remember hearing it anywhere prior to using it but that was one hell of a long time ago and I could have.

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Its all good

True that, it would be a huge, cosmic fireworks display. That, unfortunately, will wipe out all humanity. Meh. Humans aren't that big of a deal lol! I do imagine I would be drinking a bit myself.

Anyway, Jeebus regardless is a good name, regardless of who said it first. If someone didn't repeat it, it never would have stuck. I had a friend in Junior high that said bibble so its not new. But it is cool!

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Its end of time on Dr Who this weekend (again)

Daleks and Davros are back apparently

UK anyway US might need to wait


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Leeboy wrote:     There

Leeboy wrote:

     There have been many times that the world has been predicted to end. As far as I know, so far, the world is now to end sometime around 2012. I have read about Aztec beliefs of it and the other day, due to my insatiable boredom, deciphered through a Hinduist belief of the end of the world. But, due to it's difficultly written nature, it seemed more like the start of the world. http://www.godrealized.com/ is the web page, for anyone who wants to try and read through.

     But back to my original topic. Are there any other dates of end, what specifically happens to the world, and what are your thoughts on these dates. I myself don't buy into the end, but what are your opinions? Link if you like, I have nothing better to do.

 

Lee

 

Other than random luck, has anything thing ever happened that some Religionist or mystic said would happen?

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Nope

Sure hasn't, to my knowledge. Except for the whole Jesus prophesy thing. But that could have been one damn good con artist. His parents raised him to think he was the son of god. That sort of thing. But the fact that nothing has hasn't stopped Christianity. But I gotta tell ya, if I were to be waiting for something to happen and 2 millenium later, the foretold destruction of all we hold dear and preservation of all that sickens, saddens and annoys us (Destruction of fun, preservation of religion...*shudder*), I would get a little rebellious. Oh wait, I already have. lol. I was baptised by choice and now I have gone back. oopsie! Oh well!


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I may be mistaken but,

I may be mistaken but, didn't jeebus predict end times during the lifetimes of some of his contemporaries?

 

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I dont know if you have seen

I dont know if you have seen this,but is indeed a very interesting documentary on the subject :  http://youtube.com/watch?v=5iZ54i2rCZk

 

Also what Terrence Mckenna(one of my idols) have to say about the subject:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-prt5d6m6s

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8XTglkKfYkw&feature=related

There is more info on this just search for Terence Mckenna :: Timewave Zero  on youtube.

 

 


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kike_ej20 wrote:I dont know

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I dont know if you have seen this,but is indeed a very interesting documentary on the subject :  http://youtube.com/watch?v=5iZ54i2rCZk

I hate to say this, but you know the History Channel is not really true history, right?  It is totally part of the system.  They are feeding you a line of crap.  Don't believe them...it is all distorted for sensational, dramatic purposes.

I'm just sayin'.


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PorkChop wrote:kike_ej20

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kike_ej20 wrote:

I dont know if you have seen this,but is indeed a very interesting documentary on the subject :  http://youtube.com/watch?v=5iZ54i2rCZk

I hate to say this, but you know the History Channel is not really true history, right?  It is totally part of the system.  They are feeding you a line of crap.  Don't believe them...it is all distorted for sensational, dramatic purposes.

I'm just sayin'.

So the Ichin,Mayas' calendar etc doesnt end on 2012?


 


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Yes, it does.  I guess I

Yes, it does.  I guess I wasn't clear.  I apologize.

I simply believe that the History Channel does not produce whole, completely truthful stories.


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Scan the guide on both the

Scan the guide on both the History Channel and National Geographic channels and, over a short period of time, you will find a number of productions promoting christianity through misinformation and outright lies.  Both have aired programs purporting to examine the true history of the bible and promoting the historicity of jeebus.  I think the stations are controlled by ultra-conservative asshats with a theocratic agenda. 

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Bulldog wrote:Scan the guide

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Scan the guide on both the History Channel and National Geographic channels and, over a short period of time, you will find a number of productions promoting christianity through misinformation and outright lies.  Both have aired programs purporting to examine the true history of the bible and promoting the historicity of jeebus.  I think the stations are controlled by ultra-conservative asshats with a theocratic agenda. 

How would you explain that there is also a documentary about UFOs in the bible by the history channel?


 


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Bulldog wrote:I may be

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I may be mistaken but, didn't jeebus predict end times during the lifetimes of some of his contemporaries?

 

 

Bulldog, you are not mistaken. The Olivet Discourse is perhaps what you are recalling, although some christians deny that it implied the end of the world. There are other passages within the various christian holy books that point to end times  as well.

Check out Matthew 16:28 and also in Mark, somewhere about 8th or 9th chapter.

Think there is also related stuff in 1st Corinthians.


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kike_ej20 wrote:

Bulldog wrote:

Scan the guide on both the History Channel and National Geographic channels and, over a short period of time, you will find a number of productions promoting christianity through misinformation and outright lies.  Both have aired programs purporting to examine the true history of the bible and promoting the historicity of jeebus.  I think the stations are controlled by ultra-conservative asshats with a theocratic agenda. 

How would you explain that there is also a documentary about UFOs in the bible by the history channel?

 

 

Perhaps they are just trying to confuse us altogether. Or, alternatively, they are trying to get all the crazies that swear they were abducted to believe in god and therefore stop ranting about being probed. Or maybe, they were probed. This is how it went:

GOD: Now thou must preparest thyself for  thy cleansing!

ABDUCTEE: NOT AGAIN LORD, I HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADMINISTERED MY HOLY ENEMA!

GOD: Yes, but that was not given by by me, and thou knoweth what they say, The Lord Giveth, and the Lord Taketh Away!

ABDUCTEE: *cries of agony over holy enema*

Makes me not want to be abducted by aliens or God. Maybe thats what jesus will do when he descends from the clouds.


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LOL. That's a good one,

LOL. That's a good one, Leeboy.  Confusion is a good tactic when trying to con people and that's all that religion is, the greatest con ever.

Thanks, Wonko.  Still couldn't find it but I was just scanning the verses and probably missed it.  At least I know I wasn't imagining it since you're also aware of it. I'll find it again one of these days.

Kike_ej20, the History Channel also does entertainment and there's a lot of ufo buffs out there. Some of them believe in the jeebus and some don't.  I know several of the latter.  It could be purely entertainment on History's part or an attempt to proselityze to another group of heathens.  Think about it.  You've got people who believe in space aliens and they may or may not believe in jeebus/god, what better way to attract them to a program so you can preach jeebus and possibly convert more heathens to xtianity?

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Very Good Point

I was thinking about the same thing but was too lazy to type it all in. Instead I wrote a story about god and sodomy. Weird, those two words in the same sentence without don't or some other negative word in it. Of course, theres the possibility that the history channel doesn't even know, or care, so they air whatever comes into the offices. There ARE some pretty boring documentaries on that channel sometimes. They might just throw whatever on there. Who knows?


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Leeboy wrote:I like the

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I like the points you make. I especially like how you called "the savior of man" Jeebus. Ha! I agree with the natural, scientific end of the sun, exploding into a supernova and destroying life on earth. Luckily, neither of us will be around for that happening. Perhaps the real question i should ask you is what do you think will happen afterwards? A black hole or just a dwarf star?

Lee

 

P.S. my girlfriend told me to say that she giggle a bit at bibble.

Actually, the sun is small.  Small for a star.  In fact, it won't produce a supernova.  It is too small.  The actually end of the sun will be it expanding to become a red giant star when it will become much hotter and brighter and way more massive than it is now, reaching out to Earth's orbital boundary and during that time literally stripping Earth of its atmosphere and evaporating all the water just before the surface of our planet becomes a molten sea of rock.  Of course, our own orbit will be pushed back, so we won't necessarily be engulfed, but the picture is bad either way.  Then, when the sun has shed off all of its light layers the hot and dense material left at its core will contract and condense until it is a small white dwarf star (smaller than the Earth?) that will produce very little radiation of any sort and will rather quickly cool (in cosmological terms of time) leaving the Earth to eventually freeze and our solar system to inextricably cool and head towards the maximum state of entropy with the rest of the universe (which it is doing right now, only while the sun is 'alive' it's doing it in a much more exciting way...).


 

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Quote:hotterUntrue.  Red

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Untrue.  Red giants are cooler than GV-class stars.

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Untrue.  Red giants are cooler than GV-class stars.

Thanks DG.  I had argued with myself but didn't check... I suppose it makes sense that they'd be cooler considering they emit red light.  I guess Earth gets hotter because it's so much closer?

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Ah!

I see! That makes sense, and I had (I think) the general gist, but I didn't use the correct star cycle phases. I knew it would expand, but I thought that all stars became supernovae. I love learning new things! But no matter what way you say it, humanity is EVENTUALLY doomed. I think that we will destroy ourselves sooner than the sun will die out though, unless we wise up and conserve resources and whatnot.


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This site has quite a few

This site has quite a few failed EOTWAWKI predictions. I still like the Mayan prophecy myself. It's close enough away to make you think, but like all others it will not come to fruition. The exact date is supposed to be 21 December 2012. I think the world will be around a long, long time, but we humans may not unless we can get our heads out of our asses. I think that mankind actually has a pretty good chance of survivng some pretty serious catastrophes. However, most species that have existed are extinct and we've only been here a short time.

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True

We really haven't been here long, geologically. My science teacher used to ask why we haven't evolved further. Besides the fact that she is a christian, that is why. We as a species are not that old. Sure we are pretty dang old by our standards, but not by geologic standards.


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Thomathy wrote:Leeboy

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Leeboy wrote:

I like the points you make. I especially like how you called "the savior of man" Jeebus. Ha! I agree with the natural, scientific end of the sun, exploding into a supernova and destroying life on earth. Luckily, neither of us will be around for that happening. Perhaps the real question i should ask you is what do you think will happen afterwards? A black hole or just a dwarf star?

Lee

 

P.S. my girlfriend told me to say that she giggle a bit at bibble.

Actually, the sun is small.  Small for a star.  In fact, it won't produce a supernova.  It is too small.  The actually end of the sun will be it expanding to become a red giant star when it will become much hotter and brighter and way more massive than it is now, reaching out to Earth's orbital boundary and during that time literally stripping Earth of its atmosphere and evaporating all the water just before the surface of our planet becomes a molten sea of rock.  Of course, our own orbit will be pushed back, so we won't necessarily be engulfed, but the picture is bad either way.  Then, when the sun has shed off all of its light layers the hot and dense material left at its core will contract and condense until it is a small white dwarf star (smaller than the Earth?) that will produce very little radiation of any sort and will rather quickly cool (in cosmological terms of time) leaving the Earth to eventually freeze and our solar system to inextricably cool and head towards the maximum state of entropy with the rest of the universe (which it is doing right now, only while the sun is 'alive' it's doing it in a much more exciting way...).


 

 

Damn! Better stock up on a lot of sun block for that event, not to mention ice to keep the brewskis cold.

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Bulldog wrote:Thomathy

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Thomathy wrote:

Leeboy wrote:

I like the points you make. I especially like how you called "the savior of man" Jeebus. Ha! I agree with the natural, scientific end of the sun, exploding into a supernova and destroying life on earth. Luckily, neither of us will be around for that happening. Perhaps the real question i should ask you is what do you think will happen afterwards? A black hole or just a dwarf star?

Lee

 

P.S. my girlfriend told me to say that she giggle a bit at bibble.

Actually, the sun is small.  Small for a star.  In fact, it won't produce a supernova.  It is too small.  The actually end of the sun will be it expanding to become a red giant star when it will become much hotter and brighter and way more massive than it is now, reaching out to Earth's orbital boundary and during that time literally stripping Earth of its atmosphere and evaporating all the water just before the surface of our planet becomes a molten sea of rock.  Of course, our own orbit will be pushed back, so we won't necessarily be engulfed, but the picture is bad either way.  Then, when the sun has shed off all of its light layers the hot and dense material left at its core will contract and condense until it is a small white dwarf star (smaller than the Earth?) that will produce very little radiation of any sort and will rather quickly cool (in cosmological terms of time) leaving the Earth to eventually freeze and our solar system to inextricably cool and head towards the maximum state of entropy with the rest of the universe (which it is doing right now, only while the sun is 'alive' it's doing it in a much more exciting way...).


 

 

Damn! Better stock up on a lot of sun block for that event, not to mention ice to keep the brewskis cold.

I'll bring the peanuts so we keep our sodium levels up. And we can fuel the sun's fusion. Actually, humans have a lot of stuff that can fuel a sun. Lots of calcium, sodium and other stuff. Maybe, if we commit mass suicide by flying into the sun, we can give the sun the little boost of fuel it needs to not make us all die and humanity can survive! Wait...that sounds like some weird cult...oh well, people have believed worse. Kool-aid with cyanide/arsenic anyone?


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Thomathy wrote:way more

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Untrue. The mass will remain roughly constant until after the red giant phase, when the Sun will shed its outer layers and leave the remaining white dwarf (order of magnitude: size of the Earth) on its own. Otherwise you're quite correct, with the already mentioned correction by DG.

Also, the Earth will be hotter, but that's due to the Sun increasing in radius. The increase in size will over compensate for the decrease in temperature, and the total power emitted by the Sun will be larger than now, increasing our temperature.


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Untrue. The mass will remain roughly constant

I meant massive in terms of its size, not in terms of its actual mass.  Actually, equivocating the two terms is fallacious.  Massive consists of a bound morpheme and a derivational morpheme.  Mass+ive.  While mass can be a free morpheme, it is, in this case, not because it's not possible to mean what mass means when massive is used as I used it.  You can check the dictionaries for the definition of massive.  Not that it matters much, since I did not mean that the Sun would have more mass in any case.  Had I wanted to say that, however, I would have used the word mass and my sentence would have looked like this,

Quote:
'The actually end of the sun will be it expanding to become a red giant star when it will become much hotter [sic] and brighter and it will [...] [have more mass than it does] now.'

See?  That means something substantially different.  I didn't think the word choice would lead to confusion.  Perhaps I just should have used 'bigger'?

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Leeboy wrote:There have been

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There have been many times that the world has been predicted to end. As far as I know, so far, the world is now to end sometime around 2012. I have read about Aztec beliefs of it and the other day, due to my insatiable boredom, deciphered through a Hinduist belief of the end of the world. But, due to it's difficultly written nature, it seemed more like the start of the world. http://www.godrealized.com/ is the web page, for anyone who wants to try and read through.

     But back to my original topic. Are there any other dates of end, what specifically happens to the world, and what are your thoughts on these dates. I myself don't buy into the end, but what are your opinions? Link if you like, I have nothing better to do.

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I may be mistaken but, didn't jeebus predict end times during the lifetimes of some of his contemporaries?

 

Bulldog, you are not mistaken. The Olivet Discourse is perhaps what you are recalling, although some christians deny that it implied the end of the world. There are other passages within the various christian holy books that point to end times  as well.

Check out Matthew 16:28 and also in Mark, somewhere about 8th or 9th chapter.

Think there is also related stuff in 1st Corinthians.

Leeboy, any Christian stating they have the formula or a theory about the end of the world is spewing religious theoretical nonsense.  If you follow what the bible states, there can be no logical guesses to the end of the world.  Wonko and Bulldog were incorrect in Jesus predicting the end of anything.

From Matthew 24:36 (NIV) - No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Matthew 16:28 is in reference to living spiritually vs. worldly.  Bit different to the subject of the end of times.

As a personal observation, my personal favorite "story" about those predicting the end of the world has to be that guy in New Mexico, Michael Travesser.  He's funny.

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To my knowledge ,the

To my knowledge ,the calender we use today has been revised a couple of times, what date will it be for the jewish calendar and the muslim calendar an the chinese . Has there ever been a prediction about  something nice to be happening  ? It is always about doom and destruction .Why ?

The mayan culture has been destroyed ,ceased to exist the way it did , how couldn't they have prevented that if their calender is that good in predicting events ?