Go vote for Obama!

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This is an appeal to those not planning on voting. Please vote! When polled those who claim they are not voting, if they had to vote would vote Obama 3:2. You (the non-voter) are the biggest voting block. Go to the polls non-voters! 

"I can't promise you that your life will get better, easier under Barack Obama. I do think he cares and I know for sure that if the other guy is sitting in the Oval Office, I can guarantee you that not only will your life not get better, it will get much, much worse. Don't take my word for it. Just ask your parents what life was like before a 30-year pillage by the Republicans of the middle class. Your parents bought a house and eventually owned it outright. They weren't in debt. College was free. They bought a new car every 3 or 4 years. They took vacations and were home for dinner by 5 or 6 PM. They had a savings account in the bank. They didn't live in fear of not knowing if they'd even have a job next year.

That's all gone. I don't know if we can get it back, but I do know that Mr. Romney would love the chance to complete the final elimination of the middle class and the American Dream. " - Michael Moore

Read the entire appeal from Michael Moore to urge you to vote Obama.

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Thank you for posting that

Thank you for posting that Brian. I really do get tired of the false dichotomies and stereotypes of workers as being anti business, or anti wealth when all we want is stability. There has been an posionious climate in America fueld by big profiteers, whose only goal is their own pockets. It has taken the building climate we once had, and turned the economy into one giant casino where they bet on both ends of the bubble and skim off the top and dump the losses on the rest of us.

If these sellers of fear at the top surveyed ALL the people in the working class and working poor, there would be a overwhelming majority that would and do support our open market. What they don't get is that it still depends on us doing the work and having enough to spend.

Obama is trying to do what worked to build our middle class. Obama is the one now who is sending federal help to NY AND NJ to help BUSINESS and the working class to dig out of that disaster.

SO YES VOTE VOTE VOTE AND TELL ALL THOSE IN BETWEEN TO VOTE.

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 This is the first time

 This is the first time I've ever officially endorsed a candidate while at RRS.  Although my views are typically known.

 

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Sapient wrote: This is the

Sapient wrote:

 This is the first time I've ever officially endorsed a candidate while at RRS.  Although my views are typically known.

I'd rather have four more years of Bush than one day of Romney.

Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.

-Scott Adams

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Sapient wrote:This is an

Sapient wrote:

This is an appeal to those not planning on voting. Please vote! When polled those who claim they are not voting, if they had to vote would vote Obama 3:2. You (the non-voter) are the biggest voting block. Go to the polls non-voters! 

"I can't promise you that your life will get better, easier under Barack Obama. I do think he cares and I know for sure that if the other guy is sitting in the Oval Office, I can guarantee you that not only will your life not get better, it will get much, much worse. Don't take my word for it. Just ask your parents what life was like before a 30-year pillage by the Republicans of the middle class. Your parents bought a house and eventually owned it outright. They weren't in debt. College was free. They bought a new car every 3 or 4 years. They took vacations and were home for dinner by 5 or 6 PM. They had a savings account in the bank. They didn't live in fear of not knowing if they'd even have a job next year.

That's all gone. I don't know if we can get it back, but I do know that Mr. Romney would love the chance to complete the final elimination of the middle class and the American Dream. " - Michael Moore

Read the entire appeal from Michael Moore to urge you to vote Obama.

Damn his parents were rich, that sure isn't how I grew up, nor most of my peers. My parents never had the option of attending college until my mom did in her 40's after my dad's ridiculously long work days finally started paying off. It certainly wasn't "free". In fact, according to wiki Moore's parents were a secretary and a factory line worker, I highly doubt that either one ever went to college and Moore himself dropped out of college. Sounds like his little "Leave It To Beaver" fantasy is as realistic as the propaganda he calls docudramas.

They probably did have a car every 3 or 4 years, one of the advantages of working for a car company. I know the guys who work at the Honda plant drive cars slightly newer and nicer than they could with an equivalent job in another industry because they get 20% off. With the UAW's chokehold on GM I'm sure GM gave their employees even better deals on cars, one of the reasons they went bankrupt and needed to be bailed out.

I think all you leftists should stop compromising your values and join the third party train. Vote Jill Stein http://www.jillstein.org/ she isn't going to bail out Wall Street and the banks, she isn't going to be a flip flopper when it comes to gay marriage, she isn't going to prosecute a war for 6 years after promising an immediate withdrawal and she sure as hell isn't going to settle for a healthcare plan that pads the pockets of insurance companies. Vote for your values and what you really believe is the best policy for our country, don't let Bama and Mittens bully you into thinking you have to compromise your values. 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

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 If someone told you to

 If someone told you to choose between being a Christian or a Muslim you would tell them to fuck off even though that puts you in a small minority. Why do you accept the dichotomy of republican vs democrat?

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

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Beyond Saving wrote: If

Beyond Saving wrote:

 If someone told you to choose between being a Christian or a Muslim you would tell them to fuck off even though that puts you in a small minority. Why do you accept the dichotomy of republican vs democrat?

What the? Your really going off the deep deep end. First denying the right wing attack on women's rights and now you are comparing religion to economic class differences?

I DONT care about being a minority. I was unpopular in school. I was unpopular as a Christian. I am unpopular now as an atheist. And, white people in this country WILL eventually be the new minority, it is called migration, and evolution.

So what is it now, if we start mixing races and religions somehow our economy will collapse?

Now voting democrat puts me in a small minority? NO, democrats are inclusive in all aspects of life including economics.

So unless you want to go back to the founders climate of only property owners having the right to vote, I simply see this as a desperate act of someone who is becoming skitzo because they are rightfully being called out.

 

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Brian37 wrote:Beyond Saving

Brian37 wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

 If someone told you to choose between being a Christian or a Muslim you would tell them to fuck off even though that puts you in a small minority. Why do you accept the dichotomy of republican vs democrat?

What the? Your really going off the deep deep end. First denying the right wing attack on women's rights and now you are comparing religion to economic class differences?

No I was comparing religion to political affiliation. They have many similar tendencies, including blind allegiance. I was comparing the choice of Romney vs. Obama to the choice of Muslim vs. Christian.  

 

Brian37 wrote:

I DONT care about being a minority. I was unpopular in school. I was unpopular as a Christian. I am unpopular now as an atheist. And, white people in this country WILL eventually be the new minority, it is called migration, and evolution.

So why do you insist on supporting Obama even though he is not on your side on many issues when you have a more ideal candidate running for office? There is no doubt that Jill Stein holds beliefs much closer to your political views than Obama.  

 

Brian37 wrote:

So what is it now, if we start mixing races and religions somehow our economy will collapse?

?!?!? what does race have anything to do with what I said?

 

Brian37 wrote:

Now voting democrat puts me in a small minority? NO, democrats are inclusive in all aspects of life including economics.

No, I am suggesting that you are voting democrat simply to be part of a larger majority. I suggested that you consider voting Green or Socialist as those candidates have convictions that are more in line with your stated views. 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

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Beyond Saving wrote:No, I am

Beyond Saving wrote:

No, I am suggesting that you are voting democrat simply to be part of a larger majority. I suggested that you consider voting Green or Socialist as those candidates have convictions that are more in line with your stated views. 

Tomorrow isn't the day to throw away your vote on the person that has ideals most similar to what you believe in.  Tomorrow is the day to ensure the candidate whom has a 47-52% chance of winning and will do extreme harm to your way of life is denied the opportunity to do so.  You speak of allegiance to party?  I've tested as Libertarian, Republican, and Democrat depending on the test.  But as far as allegiances go, mine is all about self preservation and protecting others.  I refuse to be part of another Bush like era economy, and Romney is just the man to offer it.  

Do I use my vote to find support the Green candidate or Libertarian candidate that has no chance but has views most similar to mine?  

Or do I vote for one of the candidates that has a chance?  I give a Obama a B- grade and Romney an F.  If I answer my allegiance to self preservation, the choice is obvious.  

I'm voting Obama, and helping him further by voting straight democratic ticket.

 

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Sapient wrote:Tomorrow isn't

Sapient wrote:

Tomorrow isn't the day to throw away your vote on the person that has ideals most similar to what you believe in.  Tomorrow is the day to ensure the candidate whom has a 47-52% chance of winning and will do extreme harm to your way of life is denied the opportunity to do so.  You speak of allegiance to party?  I've tested as Libertarian, Republican, and Democrat depending on the test.  But as far as allegiances go, mine is all about self preservation and protecting others.  I refuse to be part of another Bush like era economy, and Romney is just the man to offer it.  

Do I use my vote to find support the Green candidate or Libertarian candidate that has no chance but has views most similar to mine?  

Or do I vote for one of the candidates that has a chance?  I give a Obama a B- grade and Romney an F.  If I answer my allegiance to self preservation, the choice is obvious.  

I'm voting Obama, and helping him further by voting straight democratic ticket.

 

 (edit: I give him a B-)

lol, C+ to B-? A little affirmative action? I thought the + was a little generous. Regardless, Obama is going to carry PA, I know a few of the recent polls had it pretty close but if Romney wins PA he is winning large enough that he doesn't need it so you can "throw away" your vote with confidence that it will not effect the actual outcome of the election. If everyone keeps accepting the dichotomy promoted by the two major parties no third party will have a chance. Only by supporting the third parties will they gain enough prominence to be included in the debates and do some serious fundraising. It is the chicken or the egg, third party candidates need the support to be able to raise money to advertise for support. If everyone who went to the polls believing they are voting for a C or B- candidate voted third party, it would really shake things up in DC.  

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but I'll be sitting here for another 50 years give or take a decade voting third party every election hoping that some day the rest of y'all come join me. At least tomorrow I can enjoy watching the hosts at MSNBC cry or if I am wrong and Bama pulls it out I can listen to Beck declare the end of the world on Wednesday. Either way I am entertained and either way I can say "hey, I didn't vote for the asshole, don't blame me" (although I'm sure the crazy Skins fan will blame me anyway). I like win-wins 

 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

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 FWIW: I have always had

 FWIW: I have always had the thought in the back of my head that someday the Rational Response Squad site would be in a position to help affect the outcome of an election where a third party candidate had a chance.  I'd vote third party if I really felt the 2 parties were almost the same, and the third party candidate had 5-10% of the vote possibilities.

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:I think

Beyond Saving wrote:

I think all you leftists should stop compromising your values and join the third party train. Vote Jill Stein http://www.jillstein.org/ she isn't going to bail out Wall Street and the banks, she isn't going to be a flip flopper when it comes to gay marriage, she isn't going to prosecute a war for 6 years after promising an immediate withdrawal and she sure as hell isn't going to settle for a healthcare plan that pads the pockets of insurance companies. Vote for your values and what you really believe is the best policy for our country, don't let Bama and Mittens bully you into thinking you have to compromise your values. 

I would have voted for the Green party if they would have invited her to the debates. She would have wiped the floor with both of them.

 

Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.

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I've been monitoring this

I've been monitoring this site for the past week. It originally showed 303 for Obama and 197 for Romney, but now it shows 290/191. Today is going to be a very interesting day.

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard

 

Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.

-Scott Adams

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Beyond Saving wrote:Brian37

Beyond Saving wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

 If someone told you to choose between being a Christian or a Muslim you would tell them to fuck off even though that puts you in a small minority. Why do you accept the dichotomy of republican vs democrat?

What the? Your really going off the deep deep end. First denying the right wing attack on women's rights and now you are comparing religion to economic class differences?

No I was comparing religion to political affiliation. They have many similar tendencies, including blind allegiance. I was comparing the choice of Romney vs. Obama to the choice of Muslim vs. Christian.  

 

Brian37 wrote:

I DONT care about being a minority. I was unpopular in school. I was unpopular as a Christian. I am unpopular now as an atheist. And, white people in this country WILL eventually be the new minority, it is called migration, and evolution.

.

So why do you insist on supporting Obama even though he is not on your side on many issues when you have a more ideal candidate running for office? There is no doubt that Jill Stein holds beliefs much closer to your political views than Obama.  

 

Brian37 wrote:

So what is it now, if we start mixing races and religions somehow our economy will collapse?

?!?!? what does race have anything to do with what I said?

 

Brian37 wrote:

Now voting democrat puts me in a small minority? NO, democrats are inclusive in all aspects of life including economics.

No, I am suggesting that you are voting democrat simply to be part of a larger majority. I suggested that you consider voting Green or Socialist as those candidates have convictions that are more in line with your stated views. 

No, if you knew a damned thing about my life as a whole I don't give one shit about being in a majority just to be in a majority.

I am voting for Obama because he is the closest to my values. Socially he is for marriage equality. He is for womens rights to control their own health issues. He is for helping EVERYONE in need, not as a handout, but to stablize the economy.

I am currently a democrat because SO FAR they reflect what I have known long before this ellection. That we are diverse. That we do better when we care.

Libertarians DO NOT reflect my values economically, and the social issues would not help out our diverse society, it would simply be republicans on steroids in our current climate.\

Any party that advocates no rules and values class over national climate, IS NOT and never will be a party I am for.

I would have been for the Republicans of WW2 and the private sector that built the middle class. I would be for any wealthy person who accepts the same right to collective power as they have in the form of workers unions. That is not left or right, but a basic right stipulated in the First Amendment "the right to peacably assemble". Republicans and Libertarians DO NOT value the collective bargining power of the worker which is the only counter to big money.

Ultimately I value the party that is MOST inclusive, not the party that is out for itself. RIGHT NOW in this point in history, that currently is reflected most by democrats.

I am NOT for any nanny state nor would I be for any socialism as stereotyped by the right falsely as if I worshiped the likes of Stalin. But when I say I am fighting you as well because you reflect more the "fuck you I got mine" that we have gotten out of the vuture capitalists on the right, that Stalin like socialism is exactly the slur people with your mindset falsely hurl at us "lefties".

I DO NOT give one shit about being in any majority, go back and read Brian's post. I am going with our best option, not just to "fit in". My country's future is at stake, and that is what it amounts to. This isn't about class it is about CLIMATE and the current weather of the economy and where it can and will go.

I am with Brian, I am basing my decision on conditions, not popularity. I have constantly stated my reasons why our conditions are bad, and those conditions have been laid over the past 30 years. Obama is the only chance we have to climb out of this mess and he is the only one who wants to protect and can protect our growing diversity.

To Brian, you give Obama a B-, well a huge part of that grade comes from republicans obstructing. If republicans cared about this country instead of just "deafeating that OTHER" with dog wistle words like Jive and foodstamp, if they actually cared about the country, they wouldn't say "our goal from day one is to defeat him", they would have said "how can we help".

I base my decision not on what works for me alone. I base it on climate of conditions, much like I wouldn't simply let my trash pile up or let my neighborhood be neglected. If all I ever do is care solely about me, I might do fine for a while, but when leadership is solely out for power and not for the "commonwealth", WE decay as a society, when that happens economically, eventually the top can and will suffer as well. THAT is what is happening and has been happening becuase there has been too much focus on cheap labor and low taxes and nothing on investing here.

TWO things make me lead democrat. Protection of diversity, reflected by the First Amendment and protection of a free press and the right to dissent. AND the collective well being which makes society stable. That INCLUDES giving to the private sector WHEN they invest directly instead of sitting on their resorces.

What caused the great depression is what caused our current great recession. The wild west Clint Eastwood economic polices of the rober baron society without regard to the conditions and stability of the working class.

Now we have repeatedly thrashed you on this issue now you are trying to say "you are more like me than you think". No I have seen your attitude and heard your vile vitrial towards compassionate people who don't treat people like tools or numbers on a page like a spreadsheet. I wouldn't trust you to feed my cat, much less trust you on economic issues.

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:Sapient

Beyond Saving wrote:

Sapient wrote:

Tomorrow isn't the day to throw away your vote on the person that has ideals most similar to what you believe in.  Tomorrow is the day to ensure the candidate whom has a 47-52% chance of winning and will do extreme harm to your way of life is denied the opportunity to do so.  You speak of allegiance to party?  I've tested as Libertarian, Republican, and Democrat depending on the test.  But as far as allegiances go, mine is all about self preservation and protecting others.  I refuse to be part of another Bush like era economy, and Romney is just the man to offer it.  

Do I use my vote to find support the Green candidate or Libertarian candidate that has no chance but has views most similar to mine?  

Or do I vote for one of the candidates that has a chance?  I give a Obama a B- grade and Romney an F.  If I answer my allegiance to self preservation, the choice is obvious.  

I'm voting Obama, and helping him further by voting straight democratic ticket.

 

 (edit: I give him a B-)

lol, C+ to B-? A little affirmative action? I thought the + was a little generous. Regardless, Obama is going to carry PA, I know a few of the recent polls had it pretty close but if Romney wins PA he is winning large enough that he doesn't need it so you can "throw away" your vote with confidence that it will not effect the actual outcome of the election. If everyone keeps accepting the dichotomy promoted by the two major parties no third party will have a chance. Only by supporting the third parties will they gain enough prominence to be included in the debates and do some serious fundraising. It is the chicken or the egg, third party candidates need the support to be able to raise money to advertise for support. If everyone who went to the polls believing they are voting for a C or B- candidate voted third party, it would really shake things up in DC.  

Yeah, I know it will never happen, but I'll be sitting here for another 50 years give or take a decade voting third party every election hoping that some day the rest of y'all come join me. At least tomorrow I can enjoy watching the hosts at MSNBC cry or if I am wrong and Bama pulls it out I can listen to Beck declare the end of the world on Wednesday. Either way I am entertained and either way I can say "hey, I didn't vote for the asshole, don't blame me" (although I'm sure the crazy Skins fan will blame me anyway). I like win-wins 

 

"win-win" Well said.

Your taxes stay low no matter who gets in...

Obama, Romney or Johnson - you get off light.

Stein's the only threat to your pocketbook - surprised you mentioned her.

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— George Carlin

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digitalbeachbum wrote:I've

digitalbeachbum wrote:

I've been monitoring this site for the past week. It originally showed 303 for Obama and 197 for Romney, but now it shows 290/191. Today is going to be a very interesting day.

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard

 

It is interesting. I didn't realize Romney didn't have a ghost of chance in the state he governed, Massachusetts. Isn't that a bad sign if you cannot carry your own state especially with all his bravado about how he made it perfect there.

Religion Kills !!!

Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

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well, here i am all the way

well, here i am all the way over in slovakia on election day.  i literally don't give a fuck who wins.  the inertia that america needs to overcome in order to reverse its downward fucking spiral is more enormous than the whole world community could handle.  the decline of america is so deep now there's no going back.  the jobs will never return.  i'm just hoping the chinese will buy us before the fucking arabs do.  screech and scream all you want, motherfuckers, the juggernaut of history cannot be stopped, no matter how many shrill, irritating piss-bags throw themselves under its wheels.  not that i would ever want to stop them from doing it.

so i'm going to get shit-blasted drunk today, listen to the pogues scream out "waxies' dargle," and dream about the dictatorship of the proletariat.  if you're looking for something nasty to call me, allow me to suggest "rat," 'cause i jumped that sinking ship a long time ago.   

"I asked my father,
I said, 'Father change my name.'
The one I'm using now it's covered up
with fear and filth and cowardice and shame."
--Leonard Cohen

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@iwbiek - Your such the

@iwbiek - Your such the optimist.

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iwbiek

iwbiek, 

Well, there you go taking away our fun and thinking we might have some control over what is going on. I hope you are happy.

  you rat  

 

Religion Kills !!!

Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/

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Holly crap Beyond really?

Holly crap Beyond really? You talk as if the non business owners want to rob you and masturbate about low taxes and now you admit Obama will do that? Yea he will, but just not for the top because the top DOES NOT NEED IT.

But the accross the board tax cuts only benefit the top because long term someone has to compensate for what they don't pay in, and are you not the one who said they pay the bulk? So if the top doesn't pay, if the math is 3 classes and one pays the same rate as the rest then the difference will have to get dumped on someone. Since you love tax dodging and cheer the Cayman Island class, that only leaves two other classes to pick up the difference.

 

It is a bait and switch and all it is doing is taking the same ratio to push the lower two classes down further. It is nothing but a fucking bribe.

 

Obama will lower taxes, on the working class and raise taxes on the rich. AS HE SHOULD. And if the top had any common sense they would see WHY it is worth it, even to them.

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digitalbeachbum

digitalbeachbum wrote:

@iwbiek - Your such the optimist.

i am, actually.  the decline of america doesn't really bother me.

"I asked my father,
I said, 'Father change my name.'
The one I'm using now it's covered up
with fear and filth and cowardice and shame."
--Leonard Cohen

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ex-minister

ex-minister wrote:

iwbiek, 

Well, there you go taking away our fun and thinking we might have some control over what is going on. I hope you are happy.

  you rat  

 

 

No one has absolute control over everything all the time. But there has been a successful propaganda war on par with 1984 to get people to feel helpless and dependent, and that is exactly what the right wing and uber rich has done, convinced the rest of us that we cant do anything and they know what is best for us.

BULLSHIT! I am tired of the left spouting that defeatist attitude thinking the sytsem is bad, when it is not the system, it is the monopoly. When reading history, the only way to insure inslavement to others is to cave to a sense of helplessness. I have seen movements before on other issues defy the powers with the money. I know that powerful people with money owned slaves. I know that powerful people with money once prevented women from voting. I know that blacks defied the big money of their time to gain the right to equality.

FUCK MONEY, It has it's place, but it is no more entitled to a monopoly on politics than religion or political party.

I am not helpless, especially not today in the age of cheap media even I can afford.

It is not a delusion to say while you cant control everything all the time, you still can advocate and make long term change.

 

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iwbiek wrote:digitalbeachbum

iwbiek wrote:

digitalbeachbum wrote:

@iwbiek - Your such the optimist.

i am, actually.  the decline of america doesn't really bother me.

I think you might be a little off, but I support your opinion in the sense that America is going through some growing pains. The days of my parents are dying, which dramatically started back in 1997-1998. Gone are the days of America being a strong armed country which had influence over all other countries, including Russia.

In the next 50 years you will start to see the world blend together more. America and other countries will combine their politics and wealth together, then in the end we will be one entire global planet with a goal of finally focusing on exploring and raping the solar system. Sure you will have small factions fighting for freedom of the man or for some other kookie ideology, but for sure, one giant global corporation will take over the world.

 

 

Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.

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Brian37 wrote:I am tired of

Brian37 wrote:

I am tired of the left spouting that defeatist attitude thinking the sytsem is bad

for someone who constantly bitches about labels, you sure slapped me with one pretty fucking quick.

"I asked my father,
I said, 'Father change my name.'
The one I'm using now it's covered up
with fear and filth and cowardice and shame."
--Leonard Cohen

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Brian37 wrote:Holly crap

Brian37 wrote:

Holly crap Beyond really? You talk as if the non business owners want to rob you and masturbate about low taxes and now you admit Obama will do that? Yea he will, but just not for the top because the top DOES NOT NEED IT.

But the accross the board tax cuts only benefit the top because long term someone has to compensate for what they don't pay in, and are you not the one who said they pay the bulk? So if the top doesn't pay, if the math is 3 classes and one pays the same rate as the rest then the difference will have to get dumped on someone. Since you love tax dodging and cheer the Cayman Island class, that only leaves two other classes to pick up the difference.

 

It is a bait and switch and all it is doing is taking the same ratio to push the lower two classes down further. It is nothing but a fucking bribe.

 

Obama will lower taxes, on the working class and raise taxes on the rich. AS HE SHOULD. And if the top had any common sense they would see WHY it is worth it, even to them.

If you actually read any of my posts you would know I don't support across the board tax cuts, I support across the board tax increases- that includes raising taxes on you. However, the reality is that when you change the tax code, businesses and people are going to react in predictable and often selfish ways because people are predictable and people are selfish. Whining about it isn't going to change how they react. 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X