Catostrophic Plate Techtonics? Argument for Global Flood

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Catostrophic Plate Techtonics? Argument for Global Flood

I have been debating a few Christians lately and they keep telling me about a theory called Catostropic Plate Techtonics that apparently not only proves a biblical flood but can also explain pangaea. Has anyone else heard about this? And does anyone know any arguments against it? All I can seem to find are Christian related sites.

http://globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCcpt.html http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/tectonics.asp

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Haven't heard this one yet,

Haven't heard this one yet, but I'm guessing its something like the contention that continents broke apart from pangea really fast - which is ridiculous.

Plate movement and continental drift takes thousands upon thousands of years - continents drift at about the same rate your fingernails grow.

The geological evidence for plate movement and an ancient earth is pretty undeniable, and rested in a variety of souces from radiometric dating (lead-lead isochrones) to simply geology.

When in doubt though, simply consult talkorgins.com

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD750.html

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Claim CD750:

Plate tectonics occurred, but catastrophically. Slabs of oceanic crust broke loose and subducted along continental margins. This lowered the viscosity of the mantle, leading to meters-per-second runaway subduction. The earth's magnetic field rapidly reversed several times. Steam caused a global rain. Flood basalts erupted. The lighter mantle material of the new ocean floors made them rise, causing the oceans to flood the continents. The flood carried and redistributed sediments. The process slowed almost to a stop when nearly all the old ocean floor had been subducted. Subsequent cooling of the ocean basins caused them to sink to where they are today.

Source:

Austin, S. A., J. R. Baumgardner, D. R. Humphreys, A. A. Snelling, L. Vardiman and K. P. Wise, 1994. Catastrophic plate tectonics: A global flood model of earth history. Proceedings of the third international conference on creationism. Pittsburgh, PA: Creation Science Fellowship, Inc., pp. 609-621.

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  1. Much geological evidence is incompatible with catastrophic plate tectonics:
    • Island chains, such as the Hawaiian islands, indicate that the ocean floor moved slowly over erupting "hot spots." Radiometric dating and relative amounts of erosion both indicate that the older islands are very much older, not close to the same age as catastrophic tectonics would require.
    • Catastrophic plate tectonics says that all ocean floor should be essentially the same age. But both radiometric dating and amounts of sedimentation indicate that the age changes gradually, from brand new to tens of millions of years old.
    • As sea-floor basalt cools, it becomes denser and sinks. The elevation of sea floors is consistent with cooling appropriate for its age, assuming gradual spreading.
    • Guyots are flat-topped underwater mountains. The tops were eroded flat from a long time at the ocean surface, and they sank with the sea floor. Catastrophic tectonics does not allow enough time for the sea mountain to form, erode, and sink.
    • Runaway subduction does not account for continent-continent collisions, such as between India and the Eurasian plate.
  2. Catastrophic plate tectonics has no plausible mechanism. In particular, the greatly lowered viscosity of the mantle, the rapid magnetic reversals, and the sudden cooling of the ocean floor afterwards cannot be explained under conventional physics.
  3. Conventional plate tectonics accounts for the evidence already and does a much better job of it. It explains innumerable details that catastrophic plate tectonics cannot, such as why there is gold in California, silver in Nevada, salt flats in Utah, and coal in Pennsylvania (McPhee 1998). It requires no extraordinary mechanisms to do so. Catastrophic plate tectonics would be a giant step backwards in the progress of science.

References:

  1. McPhee, J., 1998. (See below)

Further Reading:

McPhee, John, 1998. Annals of the Former World. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

 

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In the end it doesn't really

In the end it doesn't really matter what the plates do. It matters how much land and water there is. There's simply too much earth and not enough h2o to accomplish a global flood once life had already been around. The only possibility is that god drenched the world then took the water away again, because it's certainly not still here now.

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The Bible(Gen 8:2-3) says that the underground geysers stopped and that the water receded. To my knowledge there is a great deal of water underground and what's to say that there isn't enough to cover the earth?


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Dr.DoSoLittle wrote:The

Dr.DoSoLittle wrote:
The Bible(Gen 8:2-3) says that the underground geysers stopped and that the water receded. To my knowledge there is a great deal of water underground and what's to say that there isn't enough to cover the earth?

Geological surveys?

The most I've seen is a report that there is a reservoir in east Asia that matches the Arctic Ocean in volume. That's nowhere near enough to flood the earth accoding to Biblical descriptions.

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WOW, when you cant prove

Lets just for a second give the comic book fans of myth an consession for argument's sake.

Ok, by their model a super natural being exists.

 

OK, why all the do overs?

From the beginning of the bible to the end, it seems not to be perfect, according to the stories, because death, either done by, advocated, or glossed over, by the big boss seems to continue.

 

1. The garden was perfect,

If is such the case, then why write anything after that. God got it right?

2The claim of the fictional flood. If god got it right, he would not have had to shake the Etchi Sketch, Even then, He allows all humans to die outside of the Noah Family because they were pure?

Ok, then why Jesus? It seems to me that if we are to assume a magical being then we are merely rats in a maze. The reality is that the people writing these myths wanted a hero at the time, and when it didn't come futures myth lovers wrote stories about why the prior writings didn't happen.

Here is the bible in three short parts.

1. Be a good Hebrew and no one gets hurt.

2. That's not working, ok, I'll kill myself to prove my love for them. (Stalker mentality)

3. Damn it! That didn't work, I'll just knock down all the army men in the schoolyard sand box because I couldn't configure them the way I wanted.

 

 

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????????????

 

 

 

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Jeffrick wrote:A Demski (

Jeffrick wrote:

A Demski ( dumbski) acolyte strikes again.  (shrugs )     They have so little life .

 

Er... I don't think so.  PathofReason hase been around a while and it appears from his web-site that he's on the level.

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MichaelMcF wrote:Jeffrick

MichaelMcF wrote:

Jeffrick wrote:

A Demski ( dumbski) acolyte strikes again.  (shrugs )     They have so little life .

 

Er... I don't think so.  PathofReason hase been around a while and it appears from his web-site that he's on the level.

Some of those comments (mine anyway) may have been aimed at Dr. DoSoLittle

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Who, btw, resurrected a 2

Who, btw, resurrected a 2 year old thread to say something completely ridiculous. Tell us again 'dosolittle', how there's 5 or 6 Pacific Oceans underground that are invisible to physics, gravity, and us.

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Vastet wrote:Who, btw,

Vastet wrote:
Who, btw, resurrected a 2 year old thread to say something completely ridiculous. Tell us again 'dosolittle', how there's 5 or 6 Pacific Oceans underground that are invisible to physics, gravity, and us.

Can I answer for him?

<puts on and tightens apologist head vise>

"God did it and you can't prove he didn't"

<releases head from vise>

I haven't worn that thing in a while. I forgot how much Christian brain constriction hurts.

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jcgadfly wrote:Some of those

jcgadfly wrote:

Some of those comments (mine anyway) may have been aimed at Dr. DoSoLittle

 

Oh... my bad!  Didn't even see the different dates on the posts.

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aiming!!!

Jeffrick wrote:

 

 

 

        A Demski ( dumbski) acolyte strikes again.  (shrugs )     They have so little life .

 

 

            This was aimed at dr.dosolittle,  who seems to live up to his name.

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Dr.DoSoLittle wrote:The

Dr.DoSoLittle wrote:
The Bible(Gen 8:2-3) says that the underground geysers stopped and that the water receded. To my knowledge there is a great deal of water underground and what's to say that there isn't enough to cover the earth?



Heh.



Hehe.



Hahahahahaha!



Oh man, that was a good laugh.

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