evolution or bigbang?
Offline Why Do You Exist?
Was the universe created or is it merely an act of chance?
#1(the atheiests creation ...)The mainstream theory on the origin of the universe is called the big bang theory. Basically it states that in the beginning there was nothing; no time, no, space, no matter, no dimensions. Some how, there blinked into existence a singularity. (A point in space that had 0 height, 0 length, 0 width) that contained all the matter and energy in the universe. This point exploded and the results is the present day universe.
#2(the theists creation...)
Notice Genesis 2:7: “
…God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
are we the result of the “Big Bang”?or chance?
The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.
#3(The Atheist Test)
I don't believe in atheists. This isn't because I haven't met people who claim the title, but because such a person cannot be. Let's imagine that you are a professing atheist. I will ask you two questions: First, do you know the combined weight of all the sand on all the beaches of Hawaii? I think I can safely assume that you don't. This brings us to the second question: Do you know how many hairs are on your head? Probably not. I think, therefore, that it is reasonable for me to conclude that there are some things you don't know. It is important to ask these questions because there are some people who think they know everything.
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Oooh!Those scary communists and Masons are out to get us! Help Apotheon! What ever shall we do to save ourselves!?
You 'heard' about these 1000 scientists? Where from? The Discovery Institute has 600 scientists on a petition who don't agree with the generally accepted theory of evolution - so you can't even get your own propaganda numbers correct. Of these 600 scientists only 150 or so are biologists. Compared the number of scientists in the US who DO agree with evolution that makes only 0.0157% of the scientific community as non-supporters. So I'm sorry, I guess I should have said 99.9843% instead of 99.99%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Recent_scientific_trends
<EDIT>And that's just the number for the USA! You won't get more than a couple dozen crackpot 'scientists' in any other country who don't agree with evolution.</EDIT>
Masonry started in 43 AD? The first gospel can't be datedto before 70AD! The first bible wasn't compiled for a couple of hundred years! Christianity was just another saviour-god mystery cult!
"This is the real world, stupid." - Charlie Brooker
"It is necessary to be bold. Some people can be reasoned into sense, and others must be shocked into it. Say a bold thing that will stagger them, and they will begin to think." - Thomas Paine
I did and it's second-hand plagiarism.
You took it from a site who took it themselves without attributing it to the original authors.
It's the "without attribution" that is at the heart of the matter.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Just for giggles, check this out.
http://skepdic.com/freemasons.html
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Sounds made up...
Agnostic Atheist
No, I am not angry at your imaginary friends or enemies.
Rave, the Gospel of Mark dates to before 60 AD. And Christianity is not based solely on the NT. It is also based on the Church, which was founded in 33 AD. The Church existed before the NT was written, and long before it was canonized. That's the problem with atheists and protestants. They have reduced their understanding of Christianity to the Bible alone. Protestants don't have the fulness of the faith. There is also an unwritten oral transmition of the faith that was passed down through apostolic succession and preserved in Orthodoxy. If all Bibles were confiscated by the government and destroyed, protestantism would die. But Orthodoxy and Catholicism would survive because they have the Church and oral tradition.
As for the "copy cat savior" / "pagan paralle" myth," I can't believe people are even still arguing that. It has been so thoroughly debunked by scholars its not even funny. Even atheist Richard Carrier has discredited it! His article is reproduced in the Sun God worship thread. See also this link:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html
The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator -- Louis Pasteur
That's ridiculous - help yourself to a history book that isn't written by some fundamentalist conspiracy theorist.
Yeah, because we all know how the Catholics are so unwavering their traditions. They'd never change, let's say, the requirements for sainthood or their ideas about 'Limbo'.
How old are you? How many of these apostolic successions and oral transmissions have you been privy to? Where is your evidence for these claims?
Oh boy, you better quit now - don't dig the hole any deeper. Have you seen Richard Carrier's views on 'The God Who Wasn't There'? Have you listened to any of the dozen or so episodes of the RRS radio shows that Carrier has been the main guest on? Carrier is a 'official' member of the RRS! I suggest you do some research before you make unsubstantiated claims about people you don't know.
I'd love to see you debate Rook.
<EDIT>Read this review to learn more about Richard Carrier's views on the historicity issue: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/jesuspuzzle.shtml
And even if Carrier still did believe in the historicity of Jesus his Metaphisical Naturalistic worldview is completely at odds with any belief in zombies, unaided human flight or miracles.</EDIT>
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"It is necessary to be bold. Some people can be reasoned into sense, and others must be shocked into it. Say a bold thing that will stagger them, and they will begin to think." - Thomas Paine
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I could have sworn on the History channel, there was a special on the Free Masons and the ideas that they have all of these secrets are all lies. I will try to source it because these are just conspiracy theories that people use for arguments like these.
It is. The Masons (now) consist of poor black people who just like to get together and get drunk.
Who should I worry about more?
The freemasons, who have some corrupt members and might get temporal power?
or the Vatican, which has corrupt members (even before the freemasons arrived) and already HAS temporal power?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Neither. Both are out of your control.
I know.
Apotheon seems to be loading his drawers about freemasons and communists but seems to have no problem with the hoods that he's attached to (once they get the masons out).
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin