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I was just blown away

I did not know it was this bad, I must admit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xKDKq_PPbk&mode=related&search=

One of the problems, I think, is the one that natural brought up.

Creation is "truthy" to the largely ignorant public, even though it is full of logical and scientific contradictions and is essentially a crock of shit, you will see on this video why it is easy to swallow.

Evolution is not "truthy". To deeply understand evolution, you have to know things like biomolecular kinetics, homologous gene flow, environmental stasis, selection cycles and other things that shoot way over the head of these people.

Honestly, in my opinion, the guy on this video should be shot. 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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I honestly don't understand

I honestly don't understand why it's not completely obvious that this is NO DIFFERENT from the indoctrination of Muslim children.  No, they're not telling these kids that strapping bombs to themselves is a good thing, but is what they're teaching any more rational? 

This is lunacy! 

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And ironically, they live

And ironically, they live in countries where women are buried up to their necks and have granite blocks hurled at their heads. This is supposed to be the fucking USA! This nation is supposed to have by far the worlds most advanced science and technology. This nation is supposed to have the absolutely best tertiary education facilities, science labs and industries in the world.

I can honestly see very little difference between the buckle of the  bible belt, and the mullah-controlled Iran or Saudi Arabia. They both believe that the world will be annhilated in a few hundred years and they will go to a magical fucking garden while everyone else goes to hell (the Muslims also believe they will get to have repeated rounds of virgin sex in heaven). If it were up to the belt-christians, we would reminisce of the puritans, who England told to get the fuck out for a very good reason.

You know what we should do? We should take all of them, the Christians and Muslims, the Alabamans and the Afghanis, and put them on a large island. Then they will kill each other by any means and leave the rest of us alone. 

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Honestly, in my opinion, the guy on this video should be shot.

His name is Ken Ham. I'm sending the video out on myspace, thanks for finding it.  I recognize the name of the person who posted it as a fan of the show.  It's very much a reason to speak up.

 

 

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deluded, I grew up in

deluded, I grew up in Alabama.  You're not far from the truth.  The education system isn't what it used to be, and it didn't used to be that great.

I went to camps like that when I was a kid.  It's been going on for a long time.

It's getting harder and harder for me to think of good reasons to stay in the U.S.  In fact, I think it would be damn funny if there was a great big movement of atheists to leave the U.S. to go live in England, where they could have freedom from religion!

HA!

 

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It's interesting how torn I

It's interesting how torn I am on that (because I live neither in Europe nor America). In America, they are overwhelmingly religious, deeply Christian.

In Europe, they have thrown Christianity out because they know what happens firsthand what happens when it gains too much power. They are much more secular. Unfortunately...they are so tolerant that they are now embracing very large waves of Islamic radicals. 

The Americans are too religious, and that will come to be a problem.

The Europeans have far too much respect for religion, and that will certianly come to be a problem.

Come to Asia. Here, they aren't religious and don't respect it. 

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Actually, I have a friend

Actually, I have a friend who travelled to Asia recently, and over several trips, fell in love and brought his fiance back to the states.  I'd never inflict that on someone (bringing someone TO the states.)   He keeps telling me that I ought to move to Asia -- that I'd really like the culture, and wouldn't have to really ever fuck with religious nut-bags.

Where in Asia are you?

 

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"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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Yeah, I've always considered

Yeah, I've always considered moving out of this crazy ass country.  I'm almost never proud to be an American.  But I think I need to stay and keep fighting, hopefully change things: ) 


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I posted it as a bulletin

I posted it as a bulletin with this quote attached:

 

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I hear Toronto is

I hear Toronto is nice.

Added extra, they have a large theater/arts community. 


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deludedgod wrote: Come to

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Come to Asia. Here, they aren't religious and don't respect it.

 

ASAP, believe me. 


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deluded, I grew up in Alabama.  You're not far from the truth.  The education system isn't what it used to be, and it didn't used to be that great.

I went to camps like that when I was a kid.  It's been going on for a long time.

It's getting harder and harder for me to think of good reasons to stay in the U.S.  In fact, I think it would be damn funny if there was a great big movement of atheists to leave the U.S. to go live in England, where they could have freedom from religion!

HA!

 

Canada. It's closer, we have all the oil, we have all the water, we have more than enough land, we have a more peaceful government, we have less predjudice, and we have a lot less religion. You'll even be close enough to throw jabs at the foolish righties across the border. Best of all, we don't live in igloos! Even though some southerners will suggest otherwise. > >

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Vastet, aren't you worried

Vastet, aren't you worried that the nuclear fallout will get you when the muslims finally figure out how to get a nuke into the U.S.?

 

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Vastet wrote:

Vastet wrote:
Canada. It's closer, we have all the oil, we have all the water, we have more than enough land, we have a more peaceful government, we have less predjudice, and we have a lot less religion. You'll even be close enough to throw jabs at the foolish righties across the border. Best of all, we don't live in igloos! Even though some southerners will suggest otherwise. > >

Saw some statistics a few weeks back (can't be bothered searching for it again) that made it look like Canada had more religion than Australia. We have many politicians, sportspeople and celebrities at all levels who are atheists and not shy about it, but we're run by people with (imho) somewhat-overly strong religious convictions and there's more than enough fundies and evangelicals for my comfort.

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Not really. Actually, I am

Not really. Actually, I am in Canada right now. I just got into Vancouver and I always note how few churches I see.

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Hambydammit wrote: Vastet,

Hambydammit wrote:

Vastet, aren't you worried that the nuclear fallout will get you when the muslims finally figure out how to get a nuke into the U.S.?

 

That's what the Rocky Mountains are for. Eye-wink

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Saw some statistics a few weeks back (can't be bothered searching for it again) that made it look like Canada had more religion than Australia. We have many politicians, sportspeople and celebrities at all levels who are atheists and not shy about it, but we're run by people with (imho) somewhat-overly strong religious convictions and there's more than enough fundies and evangelicals for my comfort.

I have no idea about the comparison. But I can tell you that Australia's turning into a desert. And even in Alberta there aren't all that many churches for the population count. Most of the religious influence flows from across the border. Theists here are generally quiet about the whole thing. So are atheists for that matter. Generally anyway.

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deludedgod wrote:

deludedgod wrote:
Not really. Actually, I am in Canada right now. I just got into Vancouver and I always note how few churches I see.

Cool beans! Welcome to Van!

*sticks head out window and yells "Hi, deludedgod!"*

SOme of the churches we DO have are very pretty though. I went into an open house at one late last year to look at the stained glass, and MAN it was impressive. I think I scared the little old people running the open house though.