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> FUCK YOU ALL ATHEIST . YOUR PARENT MUST BE VERY STUPID TO HAVE FUCKEN KIDS LIKE YOU . YOU THINKS WITH YOUR DUMB ASS OR THING WITH YOUR BRAIN . WHY YOU GUYS SO FUCKEN STUPID . NEVER SEE ANY GROUPS THATS SO FUCK STUPID ASSHOLE FUCKER LIKE YOU GUYS . ESPECIALY WHO EVER MAKE UP THIS FUCKEN WEBSITE . IF I SEE WHOEVER MAKE UP THIS FUCKEN SITE . IM GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKEN ASS LIKE A FUCKEN SHIT SISSY . FUCK YOU ALL ATHEIST . REMEMBER YOU GUYS AINT NOTHING BUT SHIT . PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS IS JUST A FUCKEN PIECE OF SHIT .NOTHING ELSE . FUCK ALL OF YOUR IDIOT FUCKER
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> Gabe Taviano sent a message using the contact form at
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> I thought you did a terrible job on Nightline. Nice try. No proof there is
> no God? You foundation contains faith as well, lol. Big L for a loss in
> the debate, sorry.
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Subject: [General Question] Get angry at God
> Joe sent a message using the contact form at
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> Christians are just the messengers. You can get angry and blame the
> Christians for the message, but you really need to get angry with God.
> Whether or not you accept it, everyone will die and then have to deal with
> reality. God is real, His word is truth. Get over your anger and get to
> know Jesus!
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Subject: [General Question] Nightline
> David sent a message using the contact form at
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> Saw your "debate" with Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort on Nightline. Kelly
> raised a point regarding the existence of the man, Jesus. She said there
> is no evidence that he existed. Actually, thousands of people witnessed
> his existence on earth, and many testified to his existence in the pages
> of the Bible. Naturally, all of them are dead, so you can't interview
> them. But why is it you can not find their written statements credible?
>
> I challenge you to prove to me conclusively that George Washington
> existed. Thousands of people witnessed his existence on earth, and many
> testified in letters and other manuscripts that he existed. We have no
> films or photographs of George Washington, and what conclusive proof do we
> have that what evidence we do have of him are not forgeries? We can't
> interview those who claimed to have seen him, because (you guessed it)
> they're dead.
>
> You see, Kelly and Brian, we can't prove scientifically that George
> Washington existed. And unlike Kirk and Ray, I don't believe man has found
> a purely scientifically method for proving God's existence, Jesus
> existence, or even George Washington's existence.
>
> What you were all siting as scientific evidence to support your cases, was
> not scientific at all. You were each relying on logical conclusions based
> on empirical evidence.
>
> Personally, I don't agree that you beat them at every point. You were
> correct in admitting that you made some blunders in your arguments - as
> did Kirk and Ray. But in reviewing the video (which I've posted on
> YouTube), there is a glaring difference in the attitude of the Christians
> in attendence, and the atheists. Kirk expressed his caring for you - and
> you called him "Numbnuts", no doubt a term of endearment. The atheists
> were shown to be intolerant, and given to rage and personal attacks. That
> in itself is evidence of the difference in life lived for God and life
> lived without God. And Kelly - the God you discribed in the program is not
> a God I would worship either. And that is NOT the God of the Bible. Our God
> is the embodiment of unconditional love. But he is also a God who has given
> us freewill to love Him, or reject/deny Him, as you have chosen to do. God
> will not force you to believe in Him, but don't expect that when you pass
> from this life that you will not get exactly what you have chosen -
> separation from God. He'll respect your decision and give you what you've
> willed here on earth. If that sounds like a tyrant to you, then you may
> want to study up on the attributes of God, as laid out in scripture. It's
> one thing to base your comments on what Christians really believe, rather
> than upon ungrounded assumptions.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me, and I'll answer them as
> best I can.
>
> David in California
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Subject: [General Question] regarding the tv debate
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> Hello
>
> I watched the TV debate and was sad at the display on both sides. I
> think the main issue is how does what your doing help? Does it make
> people feel better, happier, more confident, give them hope, etc... Some
> people need religion to help them along this path. Others need scientific
> explanation or fact to help them. Still othes need both. I think its not
> so much is there a God or not, its simply can one respect a choice someone
> else makes to help themselves and not interfear with that. Everyone has the
> right to express ones opinion but i feel that the excess that each group is
> taking it is harmful to themselves and others. This religious debate has
> been and always will be a heated subject. Its a shame that people with
> your power don't use you time and money for something constructive not
> destructive.
>
> Daniel
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Subject: [General Question] debate
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> I was soooooo cool watching Kirk and Ray hand your butts to you in the
> debate. You were not only rude, you were irrational.
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Subject: [General Question] blasphemy challenge
> john huffman sent a message using the contact form at
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> Why waste your time renouncing someone that doesnt exist? Why spend your
> days insulting a being that isnt there? I personally do not believe in
> U.F.O.'s. they actually take up little or none of my day. I dont find it
> necessary to assult them with a bearage of inflamatory insults. I really
> dont care about them one way or the other. Yet i do not find myself
> searching out others to affirm my belief. I dont need someone to agree
> with me. I watched your nightline debate and quit frankly you look like
> teenagers debating whether dad exists. I will concede though that other
> then the love of money, religion is one of the most destructive forces on
> the earth. along with psychology. I do commend you on your sensitivity
> towards your opponents, your concern actually reflects your true nature.
> sincerly, john
>
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Subject: [Defend my God!] what are you doing> john sent a message using the contact form at
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> ok let me get this you say that there is no GOD... and whaen we die thats
> it game over is that right.... but what i dont get is then if all we say
> is ponitless and none of this even matters why then do you fight so hard
> to disprove somthing that wont even matter in lets say 70 years.. they way
> you guys fight so hard to disprove God say something to his power... why
> fight to disprove something if all we say and do is never really going to
> mean anything when we die... why try to take hope away from people... that
> is what you are trying to do....if in your minds Jesus Christ is not real i
> feel sad you, but why try to fight what you all belive does not exsit...
> instead let people have hope in Jesus... I fight because he is real... See
> you can fight for what is real... You cant fight what does not exist....
> GOD BLESS please ask Jesus to forgive you
>
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Subject: [General Question] RRS is for suckers> Matt Hrdlick sent a message using the contact form at
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> This looks like a lame attempt at getting advertising dollars. Hey Rook,
> your very convincing explanation of why Jesus never existed will never
> change my faith. Hope you got the sarcasm. Your facial expressions alone
> make you seem like you don't really believe what your saying. You seem
> more like a pissy teenager rather than someone who's trying to change the
> world. Your organization is really the bottom of the barrel when it comes
> to class. I respect the Athiest point of view but I hate when it's shoved
> down my throat, very much like how you hate the Christian faith being
> forced on you. Fact is, you can't prove the non-existence of God,
> therefore your argument against God makes as much sense as the argument
> for God to an Athiest. What is wrong with someone of faith believing in a
> higher power? Is it such a bane to your existence? I'll finish with
> saying that we should agree to disagree but this really just looks like a
> lame attempt at cashing in. Get a real job. And some class.
>
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Subject: [General Question] I believe in Jesus; I have the Holy Spirit
> Will sent a message using the contact form at
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> Hey,
> I was simply wondering how it seems right for you to attack someone else's
> belief and try to replace it with yours. That's all yours is; that's all
> mine is; a belief. No one can prove that God does not exist, and no one
> can prove he does. So all you do as you "[fight] to free humanity from
> the mind disorder known as atheism" you instill a new disorder known as
> atheism. You realize that all your beliefs are based on mine--on trying
> to prove me wrong. Fighting for my toys, eh? Childish.
> Furthermore, it is much more difficult to put faith in Christ and live a
> life of love. It's the law of entropy-- a scientific law but I don't know
> how much of that you know about.
> Thank you for taking time to read this.
>
> -Will
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Subject: [General Question] Thanks
> Steven sent a message using the contact form at
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> Hello,
> I would first off like to thank you for strengthening my faith in Jesus
> Christ and the Holy Spirit. After going through your website I can’t
> help but feel better about being a follower of Jesus Christ.
> I am 18 years old and have been going to a Disciples of Christ Protestant
> church for my entire life. I have questioned my faith, just as I think
> every Christian should, but through my personal life experiences I have
> accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and have given my soul to him forever.
>
> However I sincerely commend all of you for the depth of research that you
> all conduct to come to your conclusions about God and atheism. Seriously I
> really believe that researching and educating oneself and finding out about
> what you believe in is awesome. You present yourselves as very well spoken,
> knowledgeable people… which leads me to my second point…
> At first this website made me mad, but then I watched the videos and read
> some things and realized that you all aren’t ignorant idiots, rather
> smart, bold, well spoken people. I accept that you all have different
> beliefs and opinions and through your website I do not hate you, rather I
> respect you. However I wish all atheists have researched their faith as
> much as you guys. But I wish there could be a mutual respect between
> atheists and Christians. And this leads me to my question for you. How do
> you, as atheists, see the relationship between Christians and atheists?
> Should there be hate, respect, or maybe even love? There isn’t a bible
> or a true set of beliefs for atheism (I think) so you guys seem to be the
> experts of atheism. How should, in your opinion, atheists and Christians
> get along? What is your reaction towards me, a Christian?
> Well…I just felt like I had to write you guys to thank you for
> strengthening my faith. I guess I hope that your website doesn’t convert
> anyone to atheism, yet I hope there is always someone who will step forward
> and question things like what you guys have done. Finally, I will pray for
> all of you. I hope that through all of your soul searching that you just
> might find Jesus Christ to be your savior…just maybe.
>
>
> -Steven
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If my memory serves me correctly, George Carlin describes the word "fuck". When someone says, fuck you, he is saying he wants to fuck you. To fuck you, he wants to make love to you. If he wants to make love to you, then he must love you. Hence "fuck you" means I love you". So when someone says fuck you, you should be polite and thank him (or her I should add.)
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Why? I'd say it's pretty natural that we're ready to oppose what we find irrational and dangerous.
It's a worthy cause.
That's a brilliant example of a Strawman fallacy.
We are not denying God because of anger. We're not trying to deconvert people because of spite and malice. Have you ever considered that we honestly don't believe in the existence of a divine being? I can't accept a theory unsupported by any evidence - there is no anger or rebeliousness involved, only reason and cold logic. If there is a god in my heart, whatever that means, he has yet to manifest himself.
Prove it.
Even assuming that I'm wrong in my unbelief, I still would not bend my knees before a being so psychotic and vengeful that he is ready to send people for eternal damnation and suffering, thank you very much.
Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
Angela,
I think you might be missing the big picture here. As of this writing I'm still pretty new to this site, but from what I can tell so far, most of the non-believers here do not give a flip what theists believe & practice within the confines of their own home or place of worship.
For me, it boils down to passive vs. aggressive religious practices. Aggressive evangelism, public & foreign policy based on holee book interpretation, and killing in the name of God/Allah/The Great Pumpkin are prime examples of the assertive religious practices that I oppose.
Unfortunately, aggressive practices are builit into the major theist belief systems. Take away these aggressive practices and I think you would find that most folks here are fine with your beliefs.
As my favorite philosopher would say, "Got no need to beat you, I just want to go my own way". If theists would just incorporate this philosophy into their belief systems, there would be no need for the RRS.
-HCG
Because a bunch of people walk around saying there is an invisible being who controls everything. In their own minds it may be true, but in reality they are delusional. And they cause a lot of pain in their delusions.
Horse manure. They gave their permission by sending an email in the first place. And I would guess you are the one who wears tacky clothing, since you care enough to make such a cheap comment.
It doesn't exist.
I spent about 10 years wondering about their sanity. Then I spent about 10 years chuckling at their invisible friends. Then I realized just how much damage they're causing, and couldn't smile at it any more.
Blatant lie with nothing to back it up. Standard theist emotional claptrap.
Not very christian of you to lie ya know. That's twice in two sentences. There's a commandment about that somewhere....
Bullshit. Check yourself into a psych ward. You obviously need the help. Your invisible friend doesn't bother me at all. It's you psycho theists that piss me off.
It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not, there is NO god.
Actually, according to your religion, hell is in fact a party with all the cool people there. All the idiot theists can live like mindless zombies in their heaven while all the good people in the world party it up with satan.
Rest assured that one day someone in the future will know you spent your life decieving people and being a general asshole. You will be remembered with shame. You fought the progression of the human species and attempted to help usher in it's destruction. You are dispicable.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
"Really i couldn't give a shit what others thought, only i care for the freedom of my own and everyone Else's choice, your god says its wrong for me to watch TV with "bad words" in it, i say suck my balls."
"Dont say anything you wouldn't say to a whole crowd. Our views and ways are constantly under scrutiny and your sides response will always be subjected to it also by your god but wait, your god didn't write these things the people who have said they here voices in their heads wrote these rules, and you trust them. If you didn't read my posts above then listen now, if someone said they were hearing voices in their head, no matter who was saying them they would be locked up and given meads for insanity and thats real science. Also didn't your socially retarded church leaders say "thou shall not judge? thus proving you people are only consistent with hypocritical ideas."
"Iv already explaned this(see above), we want freedom of choice, your leaders have not givein us that so we are going to take it by force."
"OK iv already proved the fact that there can not be a god(see above) basically it comes down to people put 2 and 2 together in what makes sense to them at the time like a natural disaster, first there was paganism then catholics then Christianity now our intelligence has given us science to best explain the occurrences of life, 200 hundred years from now we could find out that aliens were controlling the planet and thats not supernatural, its science.
Lets play on your level, hypothetically speaking if god exists, Satan and everything exists also right. So now after i die what stops me from taking over heaven or hell or better yet making my own after life? With all your rules and regulations Satan created his own domain, there is no rule saying i cant do the same. What do you say to that? and please dont make up something i study religion and science there isn't much i haven't accounted for, keep it smart."
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"Freedom of religion, means freedom of religion"
-ME
The problem is not with those who decide for themselves to opt to believe in a god or gods. We're atheists, not thought police -- people can think whatever they'd like (so long as their beliefs don't impinge on anyone else's rights). The problem comes in when people, especially young impressionable children (can we say 'Sunday school'?), have these beliefs crammed down their throats with no alternative being offered. Sure some people might need religion to live their life, I'm not going to stop them, but this argument only follows for individuals mature enough to make their own decisions.
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I watched the debated and want to know: If you won't take the Bible as evidence for Creation or Christ's resurrection, why could you use it for other points, like the one about how God will forgive us no matter what we do? Did you ever bother to read the part about how we have to be truly repentent, which means using God's help and the help of others around us to STOP doing it? Not doing whatever it was whenever we want? The Bible also says that God's forgiveness can run out if you use Him like that. Just a thought.
Here's just one example: Why hasn't the rapture happened yet?
You don't think it's constructive to pursue a scientific approach to knowledge, and teach others to do the same?
Could it be that religion is not only the cause of such a large amount of violence, death and destruction, but also a huge burden to the hard working scientists who are not able to get on with their work, and find cures for diseases etc, because religion stops them from doing so? (example: stem cell research)
I know. I'll simply point out the fact that at no point in your ramblings were you anywhere close to proving your points valid.
Wow, I guess not playing chess is a hobby, "off" is really a TV channel, and bald is really a hair colour.
Now, after doing that, please tell us, in what way is it at all rational, and more importantly, intellectually honest, to use faith in backing up an idea?
Thus the price to pay for not beleiving. I think Christians want non believers to go to hell. If they were so loving why not plead with god to let us in too. If god created everything, he also created hell. How loving. That something so minor as not believing can does not warrant eternity in hell. Still though I'd prefer eternity in hell than five minutes in paradise with most christians
haha look at all the idiots and their stupid letters, haha, its so funny.
haha lets all puff ourselves up with pride after we invoked people to anger on purpose, haha
seriously grow up RRS.
The anger is way out of proportion to making fun of mythology. And then there's the stupidity - ie spelling/grammar. We don't post such idiocy on hateful religious sites.
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I'm curious how you can call yourselves "rational" when you use evolution as the foundation of your arguement against the existence of God. Especially since in just about every field of science those that are actually "hands on" are discovering that all the evidence disproves the "theory" (often much to their dismay). Or do you hold to evolution? Have I misunderstood where you are coming from?
Also it seems incredibly irrational to me to say God does not exist when you can't know everything. You are not in all places in all time so how could you possibly know God doesn't exist? Wouldn't it be more rational (not to mention honest) to say that in spite of the evidence you'd rather not believe in God because of some of the things people, who say they follow him, have done? And by the way, just saying you follow someone does not mean you do. Especially when your actions do not line up with the teaching of the one you say you follow.
Steven,
Were you being sarcastic when you said you commend these people on the depth of their research?
"However I sincerely commend all of you for the depth of research that you
> all conduct to come to your conclusions about God and atheism. Seriously I
> really believe that researching and educating oneself and finding out about
> what you believe in is awesome. You present yourselves as very well spoken,
> knowledgeable people… "
It seems fairly clear to me that they actually know very little about what the actual science, and scientists are saying? It seems to me that probably what's happening here is that they are taking what a bunch of arm chair philosophers are saying about the theory of evolution and running with it since there is endless amounts of evidence that totally and completely disproves the dead (but unfortunatly still kicking) theory! It is not a rational position to take in any way shape or form!
Strawman logical fallacy. Noone argues against god using evolution. Evolution doesn't prove or disprove anything regarding a god. The laws of physics however....
Bald faced lie. Evolution becomes more a proven fact by the microsecond.
Evolution is a fact. It has nothing to do with a god, but it's a fact.
So how can you say god does exist?
We don't have to be. We let theists define god, then we show how it's physically impossible. You don't have to know what religions there are in china to know whether or not there's gold in it's hills.
To an extent. Until god is defined anyway. The christian god, moslem god, jewish god, etc are physically impossible and false. That doesn't necessarily mean there's no god(s) at all, but those ones are certainly lies.
Your point?
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Explicit Atheism you said,
"As i just proved George existed and now i will prove god does not exist ether. The evidence we rely on has spent hundreds of years under construction, scientists prove it over an over again with thousands of documents and videos about evolution and geology discrediting any story you have about creation. Now in our Court of law if you lie about one thing you are know for lien about everything so technically your guilty." and
" Its just you dont like the science when it goes against something you want, you dont ague over gravity, the apple drops down no matter what its called, you dont question numbers no matter how many objects are the they are still there no matter name it has. So why must you question evolution."
You're kidding right? I haven't explored this website very much yet, but if all the atheist's here use evolution as the foundation for their arguements against God you really ought to change the name to the Irrational Responders. Don't you know (or is it that you don't want to admit) that all the science is disproving evolution in every field. Unless maybe you considered the theorists who come up with these hair-brained ideas without actually being 'hands on' scientists.
You're right they've been working for quite a while to prove evolution but actually they are disproving it at an amazing rate. But let's just consider a couple points for now shall we?
1st- The very beginning- NOTHING x A Long Long Time (+Chance?) = EVERYTHING ????
So there was this incredible explosion of ABSOLUTE nothing, and as can be observed in any explosion all the little bits and pieces (in this case everything in the universe-in particle form ???) fly outward away from each other. Which brings me to my second question.
2nd- In the void of unformed space (which would then be emptier and have even less friction or gravity or any other force to slow something down or cause it to change direction) at some point the outward rushing particles decided to slow down and begin to change directions ??? to then begin to form atoms ?? (even hydrogen and helium have complex structures) and now these atoms further slow down and change directions to start forming gas clouds ?? which then started squeezing themselves ??? into stars ??? which by the way never happens. Gas molecules in outer space are incredibly widely separated. In fact all gas in space has a density so rarified it is far less than the emptiest atmospheric vacuum pressure bottle in any laboratory. And not only that but gas does not clump together. Even on earth gas expands and separates apart!!
And then after that (or during??) other outward rushing particles are slowing down and changing directions and forming other complex molecules which are then further slowing and changing direction to clump into solids?
Does this make any sense? Honestly? RATIONALLY??? And the list of problems with your theory go on and on and on, Scientifically I might add. Proven regularly by honest scientist who are usually very disheartened and dissappointed to find what the facts actually say.
You see to be a theist you need only believe in one "miracle" (the existence of an infinite God) and everything else makes sense.
To be an atheist (not even a logical position since you can't know what is in the time and space you aren't in) you need to check your reason and logic and put your faith in an endless list of "miracles" for anything to make sense.
But the list goes on people, I got more questions for you about your theory if you're honest enough to deal with them.
You wanna talk about bold faced-lies? How much evolutionary B.S. that's been proven to have been either wrong or even hoaxes is still in the text-books, and not only is still there but is still being taught as fact.
Show me the research by actual scientists that actually proves anything.
"Evolution requires intermediate forms between species, and paleontology does not provide them."-D.B. Kitts, Paleontology and Evolutionary Theory (1974) pg. 467
"All the major groups of animals have maintained the same relationship to each other from the very first (from the very lowest level of the geologic column). Crustaceans have always been crustaceans, echinoderms have always been echinoderms, and mollusks have always been mollusks. There is not the slightest evidence which supports any other view point"- A.H. Clark, The New Evolution: Zoogenisis (1930) pg. 114
I got lots more! Qoutes from articles, speeches etc. by the scientist who are hands-on and mostly they aren't thrilled by what they are being forced to admit!
I'm not talking about arm-chair theorists like Charles Darwin or Jean-Baptist Lamarck or Robert Chambers or Charles Lyell or Alfred Russell Wallace who all had a major role in starting the theory of evolution. Or any other thoeretician that just throws out theories and ideas about what may or may not have happened.
Remember science is supposed to deal with what is observable, testable, repeatable. A huge amount of the evolutionary theories are absolutely not any of these and yet are claimed to be fact! That is not rational!!
Oh and what kind of God wouldn't be outside of the physical laws?
I am not trying to say I can prove he does exist. I do, however, believe (which I admit is subjective)he can prove it when you do as he asks, but that is different.
I am so glad our jury system works with the prosicution proving it's claim rather than, "Prove Mr. Smith didnt kill his wife".
So you scoff at evolution? Been there heard that. Get back to me when you find a sample of spirit sperm or find a way for 3 day old dead flesh surviving rigor mortis.
You attack evolution, not because it is wrong, but because you cant prove the magical fairy tales of your holy book.
All debunking evolution would do(if it could be done) at all, would debunk evolution.
But that would not default to Jesus being the divine son of the one true god any more than it would make Allah the one true god.
The differance between evolution and religion is that evolution has data to back it up and DNA is consistantly showing this. Why do you think every year the flew virus needs a new vaccine? Because strains of the old virus adapted and changed and became a new strain.
When you can find me spirit sperm and stick it under a microscope, get back to me then. Dont worry, I wont hold my breath.
Attacking evolution is nothing more than, "Pay no attention to my mythology"
"What kind of god would be outside of physical laws?" That is simple, a fictional one. Emagination is observable, just go to the comic book store or fiction section at a book store. Superman is also outside of physical laws. So is Thor and Spiderman.
Theists dont like to face that all they are doing is mistaking their own egotistical narsisism as a real super hero in the sky.
When you understand why you reject all other deities besides your own, you'll understand why I reject your deity claim as well.
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First of all our jury system sucks as anyone could attest to. It's supposed to work the way you describe but as often as not it's really quite the opposite, with the victims being attacked and the criminals getting protected and molly-coddled. But that is a side issue I'm not concerned with here. We could talk all day about what a crappy state our justice system is in and why.
Secondly, as I've said before and will now reiterate. I cannot prove God's existence. I look at the world around me and I've decided that there is more than enough evidence to support a creator. I've then looked at different religions and decided that hands down Christianity is the one that fits the evidence the best in spite of what a hack job supposed followers have done to it. Again, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CLAIMS TO BE A 'CHRISTIAN' DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE! If their actions don't meet up with what Christ taught, then I don't think they really are a christian at all. (e.g. the guy on this thread or whatever, that goes off calling atheists all sorts of horrible things and making threats etc.) That is not behavior that indicates a real faith or a changed life. So it doesn't matter what he calls himself.
Thirdly, I attack evolution exactly because it is wrong, unfounded, unscientific etc. etc. and that has nothing to do with wether or not I think I can prove my Holy book. The historical and archeological evidence that verifies the Bible's accuracy alone are enough to convince me. Then there is the evidence of inspiration as well. Like for example the medical knowledge the Hebrews were given that was light years ahead of the most 'advanced' societies of their time. Or the things about the earth and creation that people had no way of knowing and weren't proven until more recent scientific advances. But again, I'M NOT TRYING TO PROVE GOD OR HIS WORD TO ANYONE!!
Debunking evolution, I hope, helps some people to take another look at the world around them and ponder where it came from and maybe cause some to seek the creator. Agreed it doesn't default to Jesus being God and whatever else you said. Atacking it is exposing it for the lie that it is, not turning off my brain and buying it.
So evolution has Data backing it up eh? Give me another example. DNA doesn't work for you. You see, the complexity in DNA (which is just a part of the system) totally debunks evolution and natural selection. Especially when all, ALL, the science studying mutations as being the cause totally eradicate that as a possibility. Look at the millions of mutations done to fruit flies -NOT ONE SINGLE POSITIVE EFFECT! Oh and what about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl? Find any positive mutations here? NOPE
You really ought to read the science, friend. In the case of the Flu virus. all you've got is variations/strains of the virus. The weaker ones are killed off and the stronger ones aren't. That isn't evolution! That's populations changing numbers. And the virus is still a virus! What's more it isn't even a different 'breed' of virus. It's still the flu virus. THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION! as any good scientist will tell you.
Oh and again, What kind of God wouldn't be outside of the physical laws? The only God, if he were real, would have to be outside the physical laws or he wouldn't be God.
I'm going to have to look up what egotistical narcisism is, because you stumped me with that one!
Finally, when you understand why I reject all other "deities/religions/systems of belief-evolution/naturalism" then you'll understand why I accept my God's claim and invitation.
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"Also it seems incredibly irrational to me to say God does not exist when you can't know everything." - MKLT4
That's right, we as humans cannot know everything, that should be very evident. But, just because you can't comprehend certain aspects of the universe doesn't mean you should literally make up an explanation (which IS what 'god' is). Your belief in 'god' is too explain the unexplainable, at least unexplainable to you. It is far more opinionated and illogical to have a 'god' than to not. You should really look at the origins of religion, it has been the same story forever, the characters change, but it's pretty much the same story.
An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HoixOCZWY
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."--Stephen F. Roberts
What do you mean by this comment? I thought Kelly looked quite lovely in the program. Your disapproval of her appearance is not only a subjective (and therefore irrelevant to the issue at hand) opinion on your part, but it also reveals you to be mean-spirited.
Very bad form.
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"Theology is that science which treats of the unknowable with infinitesimal exactitude." - Anatole France
Actually, the doctrine (if one can call it that) of the rapture is found absolutely nowhere in the Bible, so it does no good to use it as an example of biblical fallacy.
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"Theology is that science which treats of the unknowable with infinitesimal exactitude." - Anatole France
The Big Bang theory claims nothing like that. Also, what has this got to do with evolution?
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> FUCK YOU ALL ATHEIST . YOUR PARENT MUST BE VERY STUPID TO HAVE FUCKEN KIDS LIKE YOU . YOU THINKS WITH YOUR DUMB ASS OR THING WITH YOUR BRAIN . WHY YOU GUYS SO FUCKEN STUPID . NEVER SEE ANY GROUPS THATS SO FUCK STUPID ASSHOLE FUCKER LIKE YOU GUYS . ESPECIALY WHO EVER MAKE UP THIS FUCKEN WEBSITE . IF I SEE WHOEVER MAKE UP THIS FUCKEN SITE . IM GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKEN ASS LIKE A FUCKEN SHIT SISSY . FUCK YOU ALL ATHEIST . REMEMBER YOU GUYS AINT NOTHING BUT SHIT . PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS IS JUST A FUCKEN PIECE OF SHIT .NOTHING ELSE . FUCK ALL OF YOUR IDIOT FUCKER
I just came across this nice website of the Rational Response Squad, and just had to reply to ythe hate-mail you send them. With this mail you have done nothing more than proven your own stupidity(and of course the stupidity of christians in general). See, I am from Germany and not a native speaker of your language. Considering this fact, if I were you I would be awfully ashamed that I am obviously better learned in English than you are. To prevent you from further exposing yourself as a dumb fuck who can't even write correctly in his own language, I have decided to correct your mail for you. There is also a second topic I would like to mention: Please, keep your parents from further inbreeding! Thank you. Now this is your mail with my corrections in exclamation marks: FUCK YOU ALL ATHEIST(You are adressing more than one person, so you have to use the plural which is simply built by adding an "s" to the end of the word: "ATHEISTS"LOL!!! That had to take you a long time to correct all that. The average 8 year old could write a better letter than that guy.
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It took me about 20 mins. Had nothing better to do anyway. I have noticed that I made some small mistakes myself, for example it should rather read "grammar" than "grammatic", but please keep in mind that I am German. But I still think I have better knowledge of the English language than this guy!
Dude . . . a German shepperd has a better command of the English language than our redneck friend does!
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Ok, just curious here but, isnt judgmental and anti rational action? why do i ask.. all me to show you what made me ask..
on thursday may 10th sonnyha1 sent an email with mostly some four lettering colors. the responces went some thing like this.
Zarathustra
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Pariahjane
At no point in his/her email did sonny imply or hint that he/she may be a christian. and yet his angry post was attributed to christians. It comes across that those who are making the comments are judging him. From dictionary.com
I ask this question of your responces to this person, not as a judgment on you. But when you build on the system of rationality you open your self up when actions irrational as these surfice.
I was not going to ask, but the more i thought about it, I wonder. Do you attribute other mail of this manner to christians? in a way missleading people as to the amount of "christians emailing you"?
My apologies, but your post was a little difficult to read - are you asking why we assume this e-mail was from a christian? If so, it is because most of the theists that come here and an overwhelming amount of the mail received is from christians. It is possible that we should not make this assumption, but as it is unlikely that the person that wrote the letter will come here and discuss any issues, it hardly matters.
For the record, from what I have seen everyone is treated as individuals. If someone comes here to spew hate, they will not be well received. If they come here asking questions and looking to discuss issues, they will be welcomed.
And how is that an example of your Rationality? To lump the emails together because most of what you recieve is from Christians.
Oh but it does matter. Regardless if this person comes here to explaine, debate or talk it out, or not if there is any hope at showing people how Rational this path of life is, then the irational actions need to be watched for and delt with quickly. Other wise how can you expect people to understand that you offer a better truth?
It matters for several other reasons as well. allow me.
1) your reputations. If you lump them together b/c most of what you recieve is from christians, your date is corrupted. when not all of them are christians.
2) your trust with your viewers. If they see that you do this type of thing, and your reply is it hardly matters, your viewers are left with the opinion that while knowing you offer truth, there is also some willfull deception. how can you build truth to these people if we simply chalk it up to, it hardly matters...
Of this i agree. Im impressed by the rational responces to some letters iv seen here. I was merly addressing the issue of false label's as it would give way to missleading information. some thing that would only hurt your site, and your mission.
jc
My response that you quoted was my assumption and opinion. You'll notice in the OP that there is absolutely no mention that these emails were all from Christians.
I assumed that Sonny was a Christian based on his extreme anger towards this forum, which is an atheist forum. I don't see how this could possibly come across as being willfully deceptive. I don't see how my opinion or assumption about this person's character or religious beliefs can be considered a lie. They can be wrong. But I am not being deceptive or a liar, which is basically what you're calling me. I resent that.
If I have falsely labelled someone, than that is my mistake. You're suggesting that I intentionally labelled this person a Christian in an attempt to deceive other people on this forum. That is absolutely incorrect on your part.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Perhaps you have miss understood. When I mentioned "willful deception" it was in regards to allowing an untruth to go unchecked. your opinion is by no means a deception. but because we are on that topic. I ask
Is there any logical Reason that if one replys in anger they are a christian in your opinion? is it not a possability that they mearly resent atheist and are not christian?
Not at all. Do I believe your a liar ? no. You will notice as i post on this board I say what I mean and mean what I say. I do not play word games. If I believe you have lied trust me I will call you on it.
I addressed an issue. Labeling with out logical reason and and allowing it. to do this opens you up to being missunderstood and compromises your mission.
I find it interesting that you are so convinced that I have somehow committed an 'untruth' by assuming this person was Christian. You're rather convinced that he is not. You're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
I think it would be logical to suspect that a person is religious if they respond to an atheist forum with anger. After all, we are criticizing their beliefs, questioning their values. Of course, that does not mean that every person who responds is religious. Our friend Sonny never provided any insight either way so we cannot be certain.
I labelled no one. I suspected he was a Christian and responded that way. It is my opinion, and I am not putting a label on him. If he comes back and states that he is not a religious person, than I would be more than happy to recant what I said. Until then, I find it perfectly reasonable to suspect that this person has a religious background of some sort. I assume he is American and the marjority of Americans are of some kind of Christian faith. I could be wrong, but I imagine we'll never know.
I have a problem with you suggesting that somehow, because of my opinions, I am knowingly committing a deception or untruth. They are opinions and I will stand by them until I am shown that I am incorrect.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
IT is not simply your fault, you formed an opinion that you
I simply ment to ask about calling some one some thing based on no factual information.. Again for the record, this is was not directed AT you but mearly the calling of some one christian with out facts to support it.
to say "he was angry,, he must be christian" seems to be an empty statement. as im sure you would agree that when a christian says God is real bc i know he is.. would be just as empty. this was not personal against you.... ok I think I have made that point clear enough. should you choose to address my question to you i would be more then happy to reply but I shall not address further post about what you THINK I called you or said about you as I called, hinted, or assumed nothing about you, but a statement made by several people.
I think you need to have your IQ checked because it looks like you're about a quart low.
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It's hard to understand how a "child of God" can have such a nasty disposition. Shouldn't you be trying to save an Atheist rather than launch such a foul verbal assault. I believe I speak for a majority of atheists when I say that we do our best to communicate politely and humanely. Unfortunately your response only emphasizes the needs for more education is our society. Your grammar and sentence structure is that of someone who is barely literate. Considering this I think it's safe to assume that the rest of your education is also severely lacking. This would also explain your lack of scientific understanding. You should also know that my mother is a Christian and I was raised in a Methodist church. It wasn't until I stopped allowing myself to be blindly guided by the Theists and started learning for myself that I realized how insane all religions are.If you would like to better understand our position then make a point or ask a question. All you have done is shout obscenities with no logic or reason. You don't represent theists, or yourself very well using that kind of language.I will ask you one question and I would like to ponder this one for a bit. You probably believe that the universe had to come from somewhere, therefore, you say that God must have created it. Is, then who, or what created God? If you believe that God has existed forever then why can't you believe that the Universe existed forever?Religion is a shortcut to thinking
I think wat's important here is noting the lack of education.
I don't see why everyone is so upset by these mean-spirited emails. Obviously they weren't sent by TRUE Christians.
A place common to all will be maintained by none. A religion common to all is perhaps not much different.
I am not a bit surprized by any of this, it's the god of abraham at work, and yes a powerful devil god indeed.
Do I fear that god ? , you bet, and I will help fight to the death of him .... as Jesus tried, as I honor that Jesus myth.
These poor passionate braiwashed innocent xians could sure use some Buddhist freindship.
People are angry, and should be, but let's keep focused on why and healing. ( hey fix the tv )
..... as trite as it may sound, love is the only answer and profound ....
ahhh , the science of love .... biology ....
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