Bad Science + Bible = God Proof (YOU RESPOND)
Posted on: January 30, 2007 - 4:00am
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Bad Science + Bible = God Proof (YOU RESPOND)
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legioninus wrote:
So you want proof that God exist eh? Tell me then how do you think the universe was but forged? I can only surmise that your response is the big bang theory or you do not care. Well let me surmise on the pretense that you did say the Big bang theory. Well if you said that well for a hardcore atheist (atheist ha! Sounds like oxymoron) you should know that that negates the 1 Law of Thermodynamics which clearly states matter cannot be created nor destroyed, oh but it gets even better it also negates the 2 law of thermodynamics which states the universe strives towards entropy. Well too bad I guess science cannot satisfy you, for it is just a food web of lies and contradictions. Your earth-bound-wise-head-logic will not explain the mysteries of the universe for we human minds are but to carnal, so hence logically a God has to exist. You shall be judged very egregiously for your false teachings to the minds of these children. It is written that a man that says to his heart there is no God is but a fool oh yes you failed to read that verse. You read what you want to read. I heard some of your kids that were but felled by your false teaching dissertating Mark 3 verse and at the end said I shall meet you in Hell, incongruent is it not if he were truly “atheist” hell exist not, or at least to him. Oh well I am just but a 24 year old “Bible thumper” as you scoffers call me and I am not so weak like the other kids you coerce to deny Christ and God to be felled by your gangrenous teachings. Yes if you read the bible it foresaw scoffers such as yourself, perhaps you should entertain yourself in knowing the repercussions of being a scoffer. Quibble all you want about how the bible is bunch of nonsense but deep in the corridors of your mind you fear death and every atheist fears the lack of existence, for even a hardcore atheist such as yourself and your affiliates fear that you shall amount to nothingness, but nay I say to thee death is but the beginning, where you go depends….to know read the bible you so despise.
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Umm... predicting that people will disagree with you is not that big of a thing! But I guess you can call me god becuase I KNEW someone would disagree with me.
Wow, the bible. Maybe you should prove god first.
Have you heard of the book of the dead? It says that the afterlife isn't all candy at first. In fact, I feel people like you should have mounds of trouble. I suggest you start ditching your bible.
Proof ha! sounds like you have none.
And you present the fact YOU KNOW NOTHING!
then please get off of your computer, put down then newspaper, turn off the tube (Or telly). and live naked in a forest, without medication... you wouldn't want any of that food web of lies and contradictions on you.
This is about the most pretentious letter I've seen here. What's with the "but nay I say to thee death is but the beginning" and "Well let me surmise on the pretense that you did say the Big bang theory." Surmise on the pretense?!
How can you claim the Big Bang violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, and then immediately say: "Well too bad I guess science cannot satisfy you, for it is just a food web of lies and contradictions." You're arguing against yourself! And what the fuck is a "food web of lies?"
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” -- George Orwell
Politicians lie... in cast iron sinks?
Maybe it's some vague reference to science/evolution.
You know the Bible specifically warns about the dangers of smart people. They may be too wise to the world to be wise about god.
Kind of reminds me of "The Emperor's New Clothes."
-Triften
"(atheist ha! Sounds like oxymoron)"
Err...so, you don't what an oxymoron is.
"you should know that that negates the 1 Law of Thermodynamics which clearly states matter cannot be created nor destroyed, oh but it gets even better it also negates the 2 law of thermodynamics which states the universe strives towards entropy."
Matter has always existed, there has never been any point in time when no matter has existed.
According to the second law, a process can locally decrease entrophy as long as the same process increases entrophy outside the process. The total sum of entrophy is positive.
"Your earth-bound-wise-head-logic will not explain the mysteries of the universe for we human minds are but to carnal, so hence logically a God has to exist."
We don't know everything so god exists? Sorry, doesn't work for me.
"It is written that a man that says to his heart there is no God is but a fool oh yes you failed to read that verse."
The bible says something negative about people not believing in god? Want to guess how surprised I am?
"Yes if you read the bible it foresaw scoffers such as yourself, perhaps you should entertain yourself in knowing the repercussions of being a scoffer."
Foresaw? How about used some common sense and realised that religious beliefs always confront some opposition?
"Quibble all you want about how the bible is bunch of nonsense but deep in the corridors of your mind you fear death and every atheist fears the lack of existence, for even a hardcore atheist such as yourself and your affiliates fear that you shall amount to nothingness, but nay I say to thee death is but the beginning, where you go depends….to know read the bible you so despise."
If your only argument for god is threats, then get lost. I am not afraid of your pathetic threats.
Yes, I'll admit it's a possibility...
We shall presume that these laws actually mean what you said (although they don't quite). Didn't God create "ex nihilo"? Didn't God violate these laws?
Of course, that only if you assume that God is bound to these laws. We can also assume that the (whateveritmighthavebeen) before the Big Bang wasn't bound to these laws either. It's in no way better or worse than the theist creation theory.
Well, perhaps when you understand what a closed system is, and when you will prove without a doubt that the Universe is a closed system, then perhaps we will give you credit. Until then, please learn some more physics, you're making a dopefish out of yourself.
OK, I do admit to leaving the existence of a god as an open possibility. So, which one is it? Yahweh? Allah? Buddha? Zamolxis?
You shall also be judged for not obeying the Bible to the letter and not turning the other cheek to us, and for debating your belief, and... (erased out of lack of space)
No, we haven't. You, however, have failed to read the rest of the Bible, apparently.
Shakespeare also said that something must be rotten in the state of Denmark...
Actually, you're a c******* i****, if you ask me...
It foresaw dragons, giants and unicorns as well...
Well, merely writing in a book that something exists after death don't make it so, kid...
Inquisition - "The flames are all long gone, but the pain lingers on..."
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You atheists are the biggest fools on the face of the earth..lol... The glass is always half empty right? . If time and space need each other to exist then matter had to be created . To believe otherwise would be the same as believing an empty dark room could produce matter . Atheists you know very little and can prove almost nothing
You do know that your Jesus condemns those who call people fools to hell, right?
I'll save you a seat by the hearth.
Where is the evidence that time and space need each other to exist implies matter had to be created? That's a non-sequitor. Seriously y'all should stop letting unregistered people post.
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
This is the most well constructed, watertight, easily understandable arguments I have ever read. It's every jot and tittle is so inspirational, so enlightening, so Goddamn scientific, that there no longer lingers a single doubt in my mind:
You must be a sorcerer. Burn, motherfucker.
Burn
CAUTION:
This human being has more accumulated hours playing GI Joes in the bathtub than he has sleeping, owns more polyhedral dice than he does articles of clothing and has invested more money into his personal computer than most people do on their cars.
Communicate at your own risk.
No, because the original matter was always there. You guys need to stop saying the "biggest fools" thing because it just makes you look worse in the end.
There are several complicated questions raised here, and many, if not all of them, are being studied as we speak. The current theory that we have for the beginning of this universe - the Big Bang - is rooted in general relativity and is quite powerful in explaining a lot about the history of our universe. However, we should realize that the Big Bang is not concerned with how this universe was created; it only tells us about what happened after the initial moments of creation. The Big Bang Theory describes everything that happened one Planck time unit (5.39 x 10^-44 seconds) after the beginning of this universe. So if the beginning is t=0, then the Big Bang describes what happened starting at t=5.39 x 10^-44 seconds. Legioninus has essentially constructed a strawman, portraying the Big Bang as something that it's not and then proceeding to attack it. Again: the Big Bang says nothing about how the Universe was "forged." It only talks about events after it was forged. It does not violate the laws of thermodynamics at all; that's just hogwash. The laws of thermodynamics came into existence with the existence of the universe anyway. Beyond that, Legioninus misunderstands the first and second laws. Not to harp on authority, but as a Physics major I think I have a fairly good grasp of what these laws actually state. So here they are for your pleasure:
First Law, Uber Version: The total internal energy of a thermodynamic system is equal to the energy added to the system by heat minus the energy lost as a result of work done by the system on its surroundings.
First Law, Noob Version (still correct, just simplified): Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes form.
Second Law, Uber Version: The entropy of an isolated thermodynamic system that is not in thermal equilibrium will increase and reach a maximum value when the system attains thermal equilibrium.
Second Law, Another Version: Heat cannot spontaneously travel from cooler bodies or regions to warmer bodies or regions.
Second Law, Another Version: Heat cannot be fully converted into work.
There is no noob version for the Second Law. Any attempt at a noob version, like disorder increases or other such crap, would almost inevitably lead to an incorrect formulation of the law.
A good question here might be: if the Big Bang does not tell us about the creation of our universe, then what does? There are several candidate Theories of Everything (TOEs) right now. We don't know which one is ontologically correct; maybe none of them are right. TOEs attempt to explain all known materialistic phenomena. When we have the correct TOE - whenever that is - we will know for sure how our universe was created and we will also know a ton of other cool things, like if there are other universes out there. Right now there is simply much that we do not know, but hopefully we will discover a few amazing things soon at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland. The LHC will be operational later this year. Stay tuned! The Higgs boson, supersymmetric particles, and extra dimensions could be coming to a theater near you in just a few years.
"The greatest conquests, the ones that leave no regrets, are those wrested from ignorance." - Napoleon
Well, at least these people are helping with the theory that religion is a delusion disorder.
I don't fear death. I don't want to die, but I don't fear it. Religious folk seem to fear it more than most athiests.
adrienne (not verified): My glass is half full... athiest does not equal pessimist.
Once again: if the universe (matter and energy) could not have existed all along and needed a creator, then the same applies to god. Where did He come from?
Jesus said, "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division." - Luke 12:51
The main obstacle of Peace on Earth is religion.