Arguments for faith from a pleasant person...
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From: Rock Star Z'05
Date: Jul 19, 2006 8:23 AM
I fell upon this page throw one of my friend's page. I am a theist, and he an atheist. We argue or rather discuss many things.
I must commend you guys for the work that you guys put in. Although I should not apologize, I feel like I must. I'm sorry that my fellow Christians are not well educated to discuss such critical issues. I've read some of their "proofs" and "evidence" and I had to hide my face in shame.
Moving on, I do say it is very unfortunate that their are no early writings of Jesus and his early followers. From my studies it appears that the New Testament writings came about to solve problems in the church communities. Also, it was because of the belief of the early chrisitians that Jesus would return before they die and that the end was coming that they did not bother to, and so when the 'apostles' (I say this because, correct me if I'm wrong, Paul does mention a dispute with Peter and that Peter was part of the twelve, so whether there was actually '12' apostles, Peter was one of the followers of Jesus) died and Rome destroyed Jerusalem, AD. 70, the gospel of Mark was written to pass on the good news of the Christ to future generations.
Plain and simple, the gospels are historical in that they write about a historical figure with a message and was executed as a criminal, but its really 'sacred history in sacred time'. The gospels were written so that you and I would believe. They say it themselves.
Whether we choose to believe it is up to us. Its not up to you and God, or me telling you to. I assure you that in dissecting the Bible you either strengthen your faith or you realize "Wow, these people totally took this guys message and totally missed the punch line."
The Bible compared to history is not accurate, in fact it is contradictory. When we say it is innerant we mean the Truths we discover about God and his nature and divine love are found there (Even His destructive side). Although most of my brethren will see it as face value instead of absorbing the rich symbolism and literary technique used to provide a message of a supposed everloving Diety.
On the account of Jesus. Many scholars dispute his actual existence and many don't. That a historical Jesus lived and preached a message of equality to a people oppressed by Rome, to preach that the kingdom of God was for those who were rejected by society, i.e the sick, children, widows, etc., to preach a social and religious change from the Temple system, who was crucified probably because he started a ruckuss in the Temple during passover, this Jesus is derived from Historical analysis of the texts and other sources non biblical (very few).
Now that this Jesus died for our sins, is the son of god, and that he is god.....???? That is faith
And like you guys said, we are all taking a risk in believing or not. If there is no God, then I lived my life well. If there is then I still lived my life well. At least to me it doesnt change anything. I try to live my life morally (ha! we are only young once, we are 'sinful') so that others may also live in peace and with their due hapiness.
I can see how many would see religion as an opium for the masses, but also a bitter sweet poison that destroy us (religious wars).
What I think is wrong is the imposing beliefs on others. If they accept then good, and if they don't well you had a good discussion and you made a friend. This has not been the case for the past 2000 years because some people get pretty crazy. Like the whole colonization of Latin America, that went so wrong in so many ways!
It all comes down to faith, not rationale, because thats what religion is, faith.
Now, what I find interesting is the idea of a soul, scientifically our minds, thoughts, memories. We know so little and where they are processed, but we can't see it or touch it, yet our brains somehow can relive it. There are so many questions, like why are humans the only species that can reazon?
haha, the bible and science have a lot of explaining todo.
Anyways, I hope this message did not come off as an attack. You can never be so sure with these little e-mails.
But I do ask that although we do share interest in religion in different ways, to pray ...er....help support peace and unity throughout the world. Although I do not see it happening with this US administration. I think the bible belt in the US should not be allowed to vote.
P.S. Allah (the one true God) is the Christian God, as well as the Jewish God. One God, three separate opinions, hahaha.
take care guys
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