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I saw people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open [YOU RESPOND]

From: dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: [General Question] Kirk Cameron is only one man

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I am a christian, and I know God exists from the personal experiences I
have had with the presence of God and seeing awesome miracles that
happened in the name of Jesus, such as people being raised from the dead,
blinded eyes open, and the deaf being able to hear. It is not my objective
to tell you that you are wrong and that what you do is wrong. It is my
objective to see your group gather with some of the major pentecostal
leaders of this nation, such as Rod Parsley, Bishop T.D. Jakes, and
others, and speak with them about your beleifs.

I like Kirk Cameron, but I think there are more Christian leaders out there that would have a better
argument than what was presented to you in that debate you had with Kirk
Cameron. I don't enjoy the fact that you make a challenge blaspheming the
Holy Spirit, but you got some national attention and preachers are now
using what your group is doing and we are seeing hundreds and thousands of
teens coming to Christ due to the reality of what your group is ultimatley
trying to do, and that is to deny the God of this universe, in which our
Bible tells us groups would try to do in the last days. So your groups are
confirming the word of God without you even trying to.

I appreciate you taking the time to read this and I pray that you will respond and let me
know a little behind your groups actual drive and why it is your goal to
destroy Christianity or any other religion. If your atheist you need to
stop "beleiving" there is no God and actually try to seek Him to see for
sure that He is not real. Because the Bible says that those "who draw nigh
unto God, God will draw nigh unto them." He will reveal Himself to those
who seek after Him. I hope you see that there are some christians that are
not a hate group, but would like to know and listen to what really drives
you to do what you do. Thanks for reading this and I hope to get a
response soon.

Thank You


Remember we all beleive something. i just know there is more.

 

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Another pathetic, delusional

Another pathetic, delusional individual. Where are the peer reviewed studies of these medical miracles? Seriously, were there tombs involved, with angels coming down and pushing away the stone slabs, announcing to you the dead had been raised? Was there a guy standing there saying, "Person, stand! You are not dead!" Stop trying to live in a fictional universe. The Gospel accounts are edifying fictions - not realities. People do not raise from the dead, and the only way the blind see and the deaf hear are with science and technology, created by man not Gods. You are clearly lying about these incidents, and you are using the Gospel narratives as a foundation for these lies. You are no different than the early Christians who did the same thing - except they at least understood the Gospels as fictions. So in that regard, they were more honest with their legendary embellishments than you are. Stop living in a fantasy world.

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Ok, when you can get the

Ok, when you can get the American Medical Association to conduct experiments with live humans in which their heads are decapitated with a gilloteen(sp), in which the head regrows instantaniously, and the the AMA prints this in their scientific journal, then you will have something.

I dont know about you, but I am not stupid enough to partisipate in such an experement and I dont think the AMA would even consider your absurd claims.

Sounds to me that you are ,as the 70s Music infomercial from  Time Life music clips, "Hooked On A Feeling".  My response to your "feeling " is "STFW"? And to quote a little old lady from the Wendy's comercials, "Where's the beef?"  

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RationalResponseSquad wrote:

From: dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: [General Question] Kirk Cameron is only one man

Mark sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.rationalresponders.com/contact.

I am a christian, and I know God exists from the personal experiences I
have had with the presence of God and seeing awesome miracles that
happened in the name of Jesus, such as people being raised from the dead,
blinded eyes open, and the deaf being able to hear. It is not my objective
to tell you that you are wrong and that what you do is wrong. It is my
objective to see your group gather with some of the major pentecostal
leaders of this nation, such as Rod Parsley, Bishop T.D. Jakes, and
others, and speak with them about your beleifs.

I like Kirk Cameron, but I think there are more Christian leaders out there that would have a better
argument than what was presented to you in that debate you had with Kirk
Cameron. I don't enjoy the fact that you make a challenge blaspheming the
Holy Spirit, but you got some national attention and preachers are now
using what your group is doing and we are seeing hundreds and thousands of
teens coming to Christ due to the reality of what your group is ultimatley
trying to do, and that is to deny the God of this universe, in which our
Bible tells us groups would try to do in the last days. So your groups are
confirming the word of God without you even trying to.

I appreciate you taking the time to read this and I pray that you will respond and let me
know a little behind your groups actual drive and why it is your goal to
destroy Christianity or any other religion. If your atheist you need to
stop "beleiving" there is no God and actually try to seek Him to see for
sure that He is not real. Because the Bible says that those "who draw nigh
unto God, God will draw nigh unto them." He will reveal Himself to those
who seek after Him. I hope you see that there are some christians that are
not a hate group, but would like to know and listen to what really drives
you to do what you do. Thanks for reading this and I hope to get a
response soon.

Thank You


Remember we all beleive something. i just know there is more.

 

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Your post is so completely and utterly foolish that you should be grateful that stupidity is not a capital offense.

You are truly a waste of human flesh, a useless breeder who will pass on the disease of religion to the next generation of mindless god-whores.

You existence contains nothing of value. You are simply a puppet of religion. Only your eventual death could possibly count as a positive contribution to humanity.

Thankfully the inexorable passage of time combined with the aging process will eventually erase you from history

....and as is normal among the never-ending birth of new generations, even the memory of your former existence will eventually be forgotten ( humiliating isn't it ? )

Keep believing that God will raise you from the dead if it comforts you but unfortunately Mother Nature isn't religious and when she snuffs you out, you don't get a second chance.

Deal with it.

 

 

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me." Jesus, (Luke 19:27)

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From: dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com

I am a christian, and I know God exists from the personal experiences I
have had with the presence of God and seeing awesome miracles that
happened in the name of Jesus, such as people being raised from the dead,
.

 

Heh... believe me, if i ever had an inkling that necromancy was possible, i would be ALL OVER that cult, like a fly on shit... but alas... my dark designs shall have to wait

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"I like Kirk Cameron, but I

"I like Kirk Cameron, but I think there are more Christian leaders out there that would have a better
argument than what was presented to you in that debate you had with Kirk
Cameron. I don't enjoy the fact that you make a challenge blaspheming the
Holy Spirit, but you got some national attention and preachers are now
using what your group is doing and we are seeing hundreds and thousands of
teens coming to Christ due to the reality of what your group is ultimatley
trying to do, and that is to deny the God of this universe, in which our
Bible tells us groups would try to do in the last days. So your groups are
confirming the word of God without you even trying to. "

 

I find it rather amusing when Christians talk about the "end of days". And how the bible through lose translations prophesizes when the rapture will happen. Any one can take a book that has been translated and modified for the last 2000 years and flip verses until they come up with something that "god" predicted. For example check out this site http://bibleprobe.com/smokeface.htm. It is merely a glorified religious form of numerology. If you look hard enough and warp what you find you can get what ever answer you were looking for. I don’t think the Christians get that for the last 2000 years the Christian population has believed that it will happen in there life times. WWI produced the same out cry that you hear now from evangelicals. It has become "The Greatest Story Ever Told"

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RationalResponseSquad wrote:

From: dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: [General Question] Kirk Cameron is only one man

Mark sent a message using the contact form at
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I am a christian, and I know God exists from the personal experiences I
have had with the presence of God and seeing awesome miracles that
happened in the name of Jesus, such as people being raised from the dead,
blinded eyes open, and the deaf being able to hear. 

 

Does this guy have death certificates for the dead people certified by a doctor, with another doctor certifying that the person was brought back to life by reading hocus pocus religious incantations over the corpse? Does he have documented proof that a blind or deaf person who had no eyes meaning they were missing and they suddenly grew eyes in the presence of medical doctors after a similar hocus pocus religious spell, I mean prayer session? Exactly what documented proof by outside scientists and doctors were used? None no doubt. No indepedent veriafiable documented proof = bullshit not miracle.

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I agree with this person

 I fully agree with the comments made. God is the source of all knowledge and understanding. He created Heaven and Earth. He is the beginning and the end, no  questions about it. All will see in the end that He is real, and I pray for all of you when that day comes. God will have justice, and it will not be pretty. I am praying for all of you in hopes that you will see the light of Jesus. If you feel obligated to ask any questions about Christianity, please feel free to ask. If you can prove the Bible wrong, please show me where there is a mistake. People have been trying to disprove Christianity for hundreds of years, no luck so far....


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Quote:I am a christian, and

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I am a christian, and I know God exists from the personal experiences I
have had with the presence of God and seeing awesome miracles that
happened in the name of Jesus, such as people being raised from the dead,
blinded eyes open, and the deaf being able to hear.

On two seperate occassions, I was 'witness' to a 13-storey monster reaching through my bedroom window - intent on seizing me from my bed. Both occasions were, from my perspective, incredibly tangible and 'real'.

In neither case was there an actual monster present, or any actual danger to my person at all.

Tying a personal experience to a paranormal claim in order to enforce the idea that it 'actually happened' is dishonest, both to yourself and everyone you're trying to convince. Get objective - remove yourself from the situation, and start doing some serious thinking:

 - Was there another, more likely/rational explanation? (See 'Occam's Razor')

 - Is there evidence that what you saw is actually what happened? If there is, how concrete is that evidence?

 - Can anyone else corroborate your claim without your own insight?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (which is being far too generous) and assume you aren't passing along an outright lie. That being the case, I want you to very carefully re-examine your experiences with the afore-mentioned criteria. 

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It is not my objective
to tell you that you are wrong and that what you do is wrong. It is my
objective to see your group gather with some of the major pentecostal
leaders of this nation, such as Rod Parsley, Bishop T.D. Jakes, and
others, and speak with them about your beleifs.

Not for every fleck of gold in Fort Knox.

I know exactly what kind of people those ladies and gentlemen are, and I have no room in my life for them. They have stepped beyond ignorance or even willfull ignorance; they actively advocate for the propagation of ignorance.

A few such individuals, once upon time, took it upon themselves to senselessly try and alienate and destroy one of my most enjoyed activities. They are among the world's least worthwhile people, and deserve not a second of time from anyone.

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I like Kirk Cameron, but I think there are more Christian leaders out there that would have a better
argument than what was presented to you in that debate you had with Kirk
Cameron. I don't enjoy the fact that you make a challenge blaspheming the
Holy Spirit, but you got some national attention and preachers are now
using what your group is doing and we are seeing hundreds and thousands of
teens coming to Christ due to the reality of what your group is ultimatley
trying to do, and that is to deny the God of this universe, in which our
Bible tells us groups would try to do in the last days. So your groups are
confirming the word of God without you even trying to.

Your credibility just became so much thinner. Where is the evidence that teens have been actually drawn toward Christianity as a result of the RRS's work? I could see some dishonest groups twisting the message of the RRS in order to cast them in the light of the violent aggressor, but that even in that case the causal agent isn't the promotion of atheism - it's the manipulation and lies or religious groups.

Aside from that, I'm very curious: do you have statistics that support your claim? Or, at the very least, could you name your city and church so that we could conduct research to see for ourselves?

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I appreciate you taking the time to read this and I pray that you will respond and let me
know a little behind your groups actual drive and why it is your goal to
destroy Christianity or any other religion. If your atheist you need to
stop "beleiving" there is no God and actually try to seek Him to see for
sure that He is not real. Because the Bible says that those "who draw nigh
unto God, God will draw nigh unto them." He will reveal Himself to those
who seek after Him. I hope you see that there are some christians that are
not a hate group, but would like to know and listen to what really drives
you to do what you do. Thanks for reading this and I hope to get a
response soon.

Thank You

I hardly read that as a genuine 'Thank you'.

In the meantime, the agenda here is not strictly to maim your beliefs. It is to demonstrate the folly of unsupported claims and blind acceptance of 'facts' for which you've been provided no evidence. It is also to demonstrate the strength and appearance of genuine science, so that people understand both why it is important and how to distinguish it from psuedo-science.

 

Regards,

Kevin R Brown


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I saw people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open.

 

No you didn't.


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dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com wrote:
I saw people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open.

 

No you didn't.

Well he might have actually seen what he believed to be people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open.  Of course, if he had been paying attention, he might have noticed that he was being conned by  bunch of people in on the con.  For example, look at the large number of people that were convinced that Peter Popoff "healed" people via miraculous intervention.  It would not surprise me if people that "witnessed" those "miracles" would be willing to write something like the OP. 

It's sad, but there are plenty of people that simply take things at face value and don't question the things being put forth in front of them.  So while it is possible that he's just lying, it's also possible that he "witnessed" his purported miracles.  Unfortunately, I can't give you proper odds on which one is more likely, so feel free to assign whatever odds you want. Eye-wink


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lledowyn wrote:Eight Foot

lledowyn wrote:

Eight Foot Manchild wrote:

dymyouthpastor@yahoo.com wrote:
I saw people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open.

 

No you didn't.

Well he might have actually seen what he believed to be people raised from the dead and blinded eyes open.  Of course, if he had been paying attention, he might have noticed that he was being conned by  bunch of people in on the con.  For example, look at the large number of people that were convinced that Peter Popoff "healed" people via miraculous intervention.  It would not surprise me if people that "witnessed" those "miracles" would be willing to write something like the OP. 

It's sad, but there are plenty of people that simply take things at face value and don't question the things being put forth in front of them.  So while it is possible that he's just lying, it's also possible that he "witnessed" his purported miracles.  Unfortunately, I can't give you proper odds on which one is more likely, so feel free to assign whatever odds you want. Eye-wink

Actually, I think Manchild's being more honest and open here than most of us who've already responded. I mean, there's no reason for us to take what's been said at face value - so why not just call this guy on what are obviously a pile of lies?

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 I fully agree with the comments made. God is the source of all knowledge and understanding. He created Heaven and Earth. He is the beginning and the end, no  questions about it. All will see in the end that He is real, and I pray for all of you when that day comes. God will have justice, and it will not be pretty. I am praying for all of you in hopes that you will see the light of Jesus. If you feel obligated to ask any questions about Christianity, please feel free to ask. If you can prove the Bible wrong, please show me where there is a mistake. People have been trying to disprove Christianity for hundreds of years, no luck so far....

Again, why do we have to prove the bible wrong? What can you provide to prove the bible correct other than the same apologetics mentioned through out the site? You have made the same fundamental mistake most theists do, by placing the burden of proof on the skeptic. I do not fear your god, because there is no reason to believe it exists. However, if god is the source of all knowledge then ask it a few questions for me please. I asked some questions similiar to this when I was a christian, but it never got back to me.

If the bible is indeed true, can you offer us a timeline of events? When was the everything created? When was the "flood"? Who was the pharoah in the exodus? Why do christians still believe that eve was the first woman created by god? Why does the concept of heaven and hell evolve as the story progresses? Many claim the bible to be a book of answers, yet I would imagine most of us see it rather as a book of questions?

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You know this exactly how? Special messages sent to you encrypted in the Bible?

God's Servant wrote:

 I fully agree with the comments made. God is the source of all knowledge and understanding. He created Heaven and Earth. He is the beginning and the end, no  questions about it. All will see in the end that He is real, and I pray for all of you when that day comes. God will have justice, and it will not be pretty. I am praying for all of you in hopes that you will see the light of Jesus. If you feel obligated to ask any questions about Christianity, please feel free to ask. If you can prove the Bible wrong, please show me where there is a mistake. People have been trying to disprove Christianity for hundreds of years, no luck so far....

 

How do you know for sure that any of the following isn't the real story?

"   There are really many possibilities to explain our existence on the Planet Earth. Any of them could be the real truth.

1.       God created us just like the Bible described. He is the maker of everything in the Universe.

2.       As above except he is the project manager for developing life on our spiral arm only. He reports to a team leader for this galaxy. They are from an older civilization.

3.       Evolution developed life on Earth and just as likely in other favorable parts of the Universe.

4.       Our ancestors’ crash-landed on this planet and we are really from a high tech world. This caused the idea we lost paradise and immortality. It could also create the myths of the gods.

5.       Our ancestors are from this planet but are the residual of a high tech civilization following worldwide war or an asteroid strike. Encounters with some of the survivors created the myths of the gods.

6.       We are a space colony started 50,000 or more years ago. We have lost touch with the main base because the space ship captain, God crashed into the asteroid belt on his departure and no one knows our exact location.

   Any of these ideas and dozens more could be the real truth." - from one of my published books.

 

So other than the feeling you have that makes you all warm and fuzzy, you prove that God was as described by ancient people who thought the world was flat, that it was held up on pillars, and the stars were either gods or angels.

 

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Actually, I think Manchild's being more honest and open here than most of us who've already responded. I mean, there's no reason for us to take what's been said at face value - so why not just call this guy on what are obviously a pile of lies?

You know what?  You're probably right, and I was giving the guy more credit than was deserved.  It's in my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt, but you're probably right in this instance. Smiling


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Wow, you actually observed

Wow, you actually observed someone being raised from the dead   ...but yet no one there thought that it was significant enough to document it ?

My, at least back in Jesus' day raising people from the dead would have been front page news.  I mean miracles like the ones you describe even made it into the fricking bible for goodness sake, and yet no one even bothered to bring a video recorder or produce a camera phone ?

 

It's a good thing that stupidity isn't a sin because if I were Jesus I would totally rip you to shreds  for being such forgetful, dim-witted, dumb asses.

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me." Jesus, (Luke 19:27)

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If you can prove the Bible

If you can prove the Bible wrong, please show me where there is a mistake

Well the first mistake is withing the first chapter of the very first book of your acclaimed book of knowledge and truth. If after reading and re-reading you still dont see it, feel free to message me and i'll enlighten you. It's all downhill with mistakes after chapter one. And you can not disprove christianity...it's something that you follow and believe in. It's not something that can be tested.  Just a mental note that perhaps you should be more careful with your wording. No one is going to take you seriously in your fight for Jesus if you can't debate accurately.

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He probably saw someone not

He probably saw someone not breathing being worked on by paramedics who revived him (maybe in a re-run of that old paramedic tv series). Eyes were probably corneal transplants and the deaf guy got a hearing aid. No mystery here, just another lying christian.  They'll make up any fiction to prove a point or con a moron. It's okay to sin while doing god's work.

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I wonder where is the video

I wonder where is the video of this alleged "raising of the dead"?


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I could give a fuck as to

I could give a fuck as to what "miracles" you've seen, and what cause you attribute them to.

This hypothetical meeting of yours would end up being little more than one side attacking with proselytization stemming from a "holy" book written a couple of millenia ago, that's been retranslated and rewritten so many times, there's no telling what the original message really was, and the other side retaliating with logic and reason. In the end, the believers would be ridiculed as delusional cretins, and the atheists would be branded as misguided fools or heathens with a grudge against God. No one wins.

The Church has done it's damndest to whip the masses into submission for hundreds of years. It was only a matter of time before someone whipped back.

How can we confirm the word of a God that we don't even think exists?

I will agree that there are a good number of Xians that are sincerely curious as to our point of view, but would you guys mind telling the rest of the flock to shut the fuck up, please? I don't know about any of the other heathens here, but I'm kinda getting tired of having the same arguments thrown at me every day, as if they're some new way to convince me that I'm wrong. It's getting old. Thanks.

 

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is that they call it God's love"


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Belief infects their minds

Christians could be seen as an analogy to those bitten in the movie series Resident Evil. After they have been infected they simply have no other purpose but to destroy the lives of others. Those infected walk blindly through life spreading tripe based on ancient mythology and no longer have a mind capable of rational thought. They of course don't see it that way as they are blinded by the disease of the invisible mythical sky monster.

"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.


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If it's all the same, I'll

If it's all the same, I'll take the zombie bite over the constant bitching and moaning, please.


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I once travelled with an

I once travelled with an Evangelist , once while at a crusade  a friend of his friend was horribly hurt in an accident.

Word was he went DOA as they arrived. We were at the hospital a few moments after they arrived. the evangelist was holding hands in a prayer circle for about an hour.. the nurse finally came out and reported they had stabilized him.

In the eyes of the doctor, he was saved by the fast actions of the staff and a defib machine.

When we got back to the home base church. I sat there and listened to the preacher tell them how he raised the dead in jesus's name.

From what I witnessed... I give one point to the doctors for good work, and one point to the preacher for creating good spin...

 

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I just can’t believe that people waste all this time being one thing for something else, they waste all this time and energy on developing some mythological construct as an excuse to live as a person should. What a pathetic waste of energy.


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I wonder a lot about science & stuff. You know, I'm the sort that wants to experience it for myself. I started getting ticked off in school with science theories that keep changing and evolving. Experts from one generation are often laughed at by the next... made me wonder what basis are rationale is grounded in today... think it will change? What about the factors we don't know about yet to be discovered by new as yet undiscovered measuring techniques? Will our great, great,g reat grandkids laugh at our ignorance?

Anyhow, I got off my butt and left my cozy chair at home and saved hard to go wander - search I suppose. Ever gone to the middle east or listened to other cultures view points on science and the way they see life?  Amazing, what's the word... um, enlightening (?) Make me wonder about "tolerance" and that I heard about for years out of India. Then in Africa I watched some stuff too. Do you think all voodoo/witchdoctors are unscientific and therefore all ignorant and misguided? Many and even most probably are - but there's plenty unexplained stuff I came across that can't be reasoned away. Too many unanswered questions.

I'm probably just stupid - but I think this place is bigger th