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"The hardest thing in life to do is to see things as they are, not as you want them to be."
"I do not despise believers. I find then neither rediculous nor pathetic, but I lose all hope when I see that they prefer the comforthing fairy tales of children to the cruel hard facts of adults. Better the faith that brings peace of mind than the rationality that brings worry - even at the price of perpetual mental infantilism."
~Michel Onfray in Atheist Manifesto
the way of the master website is claiming that they gave Sapient an "outline" of what they would be saying ahead of time, and that Sapient knew they would be using the ten commandments, so they don't get why he was so shocked. while I find this hard to believe, I wanted to ask, did they give you (Sapient) any sort of "outline" at all ahead of time?
WOTM is really delusional. You ask them to prove that their "personal god" exists and what do they do....? They'll pick up the closest object of human engineering, point to it, and say this is creation and it proves my god exists, I really don't see their logic...
Slimm,
Quote:
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called Insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion." - Robert M. Pirsig,
the way of the master website is claiming that they gave Sapient an "outline" of what they would be saying ahead of time, and that Sapient knew they would be using the ten commandments, so they don't get why he was so shocked. while I find this hard to believe, I wanted to ask, did they give you (Sapient) any sort of "outline" at all ahead of time?
This becomes sort of a he-said-she-said issue. BUT, there is clear video of Ray and Kirk getting ready claiming that they will provide their case without appealing to the bible or faith. The mere claim that they are going to use "science and logic" to "prove god 100%"(?) means they shouldn't use the bible or faith, anyway.
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
George Orwell.
the way of the master website is claiming that they gave Sapient an "outline" of what they would be saying ahead of time, and that Sapient knew they would be using the ten commandments, so they don't get why he was so shocked. while I find this hard to believe, I wanted to ask, did they give you (Sapient) any sort of "outline" at all ahead of time?
This becomes sort of a he-said-she-said issue. BUT, there is clear video of Ray and Kirk getting ready claiming that they will provide their case without appealing to the bible or faith. The mere claim that they are going to use "science and logic" to "prove god 100%"(?) means they shouldn't use the bible or faith, anyway.
Sapient, I am glad that you mentioned the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics. However, you should have mentioned the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which contradicts Darwin's theory of Evolution. Which is more plausible?
Thank you very, very much for compiling all this and putting it all in one location.
Thanks.
Did someone wipe out the original message? Or was there a database error?
Debate Part 1
Debate part 2
I can't download from liveleak. Can you put them all on YouTube?
Some of the clips are too larget for YouTube to host : (
Talking to Theists
CLICK HERE FOR THE TRUTH!
I found the entire debate in one MP4 file here. (600 MB)
The quality isn't the best I've seen though.
Did you guys see CBN's spinning of the debate? :
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/154223.aspx
"The hardest thing in life to do is to see things as they are, not as you want them to be."
"I do not despise believers. I find then neither rediculous nor pathetic, but I lose all hope when I see that they prefer the comforthing fairy tales of children to the cruel hard facts of adults. Better the faith that brings peace of mind than the rationality that brings worry - even at the price of perpetual mental infantilism."
~Michel Onfray in Atheist Manifesto
the way of the master website is claiming that they gave Sapient an "outline" of what they would be saying ahead of time, and that Sapient knew they would be using the ten commandments, so they don't get why he was so shocked. while I find this hard to believe, I wanted to ask, did they give you (Sapient) any sort of "outline" at all ahead of time?
WOTM is really delusional. You ask them to prove that their "personal god" exists and what do they do....? They'll pick up the closest object of human engineering, point to it, and say this is creation and it proves my god exists, I really don't see their logic...
Slimm,
This becomes sort of a he-said-she-said issue. BUT, there is clear video of Ray and Kirk getting ready claiming that they will provide their case without appealing to the bible or faith. The mere claim that they are going to use "science and logic" to "prove god 100%"(?) means they shouldn't use the bible or faith, anyway.
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
George Orwell.
I agree
Sapient, I am glad that you mentioned the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics. However, you should have mentioned the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which contradicts Darwin's theory of Evolution. Which is more plausible?
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I'm curious. Why are you glad about that?
No, it doesn't. If you care to know why, read this.
I hope you're not saying Genesis Ch. 1 is plausible.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” -- George Orwell
Could somone provide links to the FULL unedited version of this debate.
The link goes to the site and the majority of the video's have been removed.
It would seem .. That someone doesn't want the entire debate to be shown.
Edit.. i found it. http://www.archive.org/details/MartinBashirRRSvsWOTM
Btw.... Sapient.... How did you resist punching that douchbag reporter in the face for being so blaitently stupid ?
Seriusly .. You have a hell of a lot of patience with people.