Do you ever question your self about your beliefs? If not, do you expect others to question theres? If yes, Why them and not you?

 

 

 

A few questions centering around the same subjet: If the Bible is the Living Word of God, then why does it stop? God doesn't stop...right? If The Bible is the Divinely Inspired Word of God, is one supposed to ignore all translations, interperetations, missing books (that Man chose not to add for what ever reason), misinterperations etc? If one is...wouldn't that be Blind Faith? Why did Christianity feel as thogh it was being attacked when Science posed the theory of evolution? (In no way does it say that God does or doesn't exist.) Was the church afraid of losing their hold on people and that "Evolution" was challenging their very tenet; if so, why? Is it that pertinent to the Christian Faith to believe that Jesus was a man (or son of God) who died on the cross for all the World's sins and rose from the dead? Isn't it enough to believe in the metaphorical Christ and to follow the faith with all one's heart (motivation, will-power etc)? If not, why not?

Why is it that the bible says one thing, then as it continues say something completely different? Why does it say to love everyone, but also to kill those who are homosexual, of different religions, and who do stuff that the law can take care of? Why does it say that being gay is worse than murdering? If murdering is so horrible and in the ten commandments, why are there a lot of verses that say to murder others? Also, if god is so great, why can't he just put his hand down and take away those who sin or just erase all of the hatred in the world? Wait, I almost forgot, it says to be hateful and violent in the bible, does it not? Oh, and one more thing: Why is it that miracles mentioned in the bible are amazing such as healing the crippled or raising the dead but nowadays Christians say that miracles are everyday things like finding money? Did god make the person drop the $20 so someone else could benefit from it or is it some kind of test in which if god is actually real, he would be able to control the person's free mind so that they'd return the money?

Can you please explain bible contradictions? For example...

 

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

 

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

 

and,

 

Foolery

"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22

"You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40
"You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17
"How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25

"But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20

"You foolish Galatians!" (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1
"You foolish man" James 2:20

(Also - Psalms 14:1 and again at 53:1 - you have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God - oops, both of us in hell now!)

 

and,

 

Jesus teaches us how to turn the cheek and forgive those who trespass against us...

 

"Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father." [Matt. x, 33.]

"Whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness." [Mark iii, 29.]

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee ... tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican." [Matt. xviii, 15-17.]

 

,and

 

Rejoicing

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles... If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink... He who rejoices at calamity shall not go unpunished." [Prov. 24:17; 25:21; 17:5]
"The Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you" [Deut. 28:63]
"The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance, he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked" [Ps. 58:10]

 

and,

 

Mercy

"Blessed are the merciful" [Matthew 5:7]
"Leave alive nothing that breathes. Show them no mercy." [Deut. 7:2]
"The Lord hardened their hearts... that they might receive no mercy." [Joshua 11:20]
"I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed." [Jer. 13:14; 48:10]

 

and,

 

Love?

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)

"When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14)

"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

"The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6)

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work!
A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 48:10)

 

and,

 

The bible god admits he performs evil acts. (As if the above was not enough!)

 

 

If "God did not create evil" then what of the following? Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Joshua 23:15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things. Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit 1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 2 Samuel 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house 1 Kings 9:9 ...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil. 1 Kings 14:10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam

2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;

2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...

Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people

Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them

Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil

Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them:

Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah

Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD

Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil

 

 

 

 

 

Christians claim that their god is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, and that despite the requirement of this belief that he preside in the energy that produces every atom of every object and process in the universe, he is never considered responsible for evil. Interestingly, though he is considered the creator of everything and possesses control over everything--including all evil acts and people--he is still not claimed to be evil.  Thoughts?

So, according to Christian belief, even though their one god is acknowledged as the only entity that allows each individual life and appoints the time for each person's death, abortion, suicide and murder are considered sins generated by people alone. These acts are attributed to a free will, thereby freeing their one god from all responsibility.  However, despite the theist claim that all processes (and the resulting objects) of the universe--including human life--being initiated, controlled, maintained and ended by the direction of one all-powerful, universally-present and all-knowing god who exists outside of time and is claimed by believers to see all events in time, human beings are said to have free will. How can humans truly have a "free" will devoid of all influences of such a god if they must exist within a world controlled by the laws of physics, mathematics, chemistry, and biology--all of which he is supposed to have created and without his constant presence and maintenance would not exist? Isn't it a contradiction of belief. If such a deity exists as most Christians understand it, then all aspects of birth, life and death are determined by the very experience that supposedly provides them a free will.  Would Christian "free will" therefore be a contradiction?

Since each of our lives would have to be predetermined by this god (again, according to the Christian argument), all sin would be predetermined and done through this god's rules, essence and direction--the same way as all events in the universe are described by Christian belief.  And, if this reality and the unchangeable processes of nature were not created and maintained by this god, then this god must operate within these rules and would therefore not be omnipotent as claimed by the Christian religion. As stated,if a god is responsible for this reality as theists describe, then there can be no free will.

If this god were omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, being all that we are composed of; creating and controlling all the rules we must follow; thus, not only allowing all which is considered "evil" but also actively participating though these powers and influences throughout all of time--and yet still sent/sends people to suffer for eternity in hell (psuedo-hell lake of fire) for the lives he chose to give them against their will, indeed without allowing them a will as I’ve shown--then this god is malevolent and cannot be a god of mercy or love.

The Christian god is also said to act through humans, though throughout time people have done things that oppose supposedly god-directed acts of other followers. Whether or not an action may be considered "righteous" depends on the reviewer's position in society, history and culture. Either the Christian god is fickle, or his followers are acting on their own beliefs and whims without supernatural guidance. If god is only attributed to some of these acts and proclamations and not others, then one must ask who has decided what was god's will and what was the will of a human? No matter what situation is considered from the Christian perspective, it will always yield a completely subjective conclusion.

If the "road to hell is wide and the gate to heaven narrow," implying that the majority of people will go to hell; and, all unborn children are indeed innocent, then a merciful Christian should prevent the eternal torture of vast numbers of souls by encouraging abortion--thus preventing that which Christians perceive as a soul from the overwhelming likelihood of going to hell after death. In other words, the possible life gets a "free ticket" to a glorious paradise where this soul would worship the Judeo-Christian god for all eternity instead of chancing the likely afterlife of eternal torture to his supposed displeasure!

However, if life is defined as beginning before birth, then all aborted fetuses possess sin and must end up in hell, as "all have sinned." All miscarriages and accidental in utereo deaths attributed to god-controlled and directed natural processes must necessarily end in eternal suffering as well. It is argued by some theologians that these souls would be offered a fair choice between serving god or denying god, though there is no biblical evidence supporting this (this argument, like the basis of Christian belief) is a manufactured story to explain the curious lackings of manufactured stories. If either point were true, then the Christian god would be neither merciful nor honest.

As follows, if such a god truly prescribes all life and all death, and all that exists is composed of his direction, then he is responsible for all life and all death--including abortion. If he holds total control and participation in the universe as required by Christian belief, then a soul's eternity would be his predetermined will as well. If we are to declare that this particular death was the will of god, but this other death went against his will, then he is either chaotically malevolent or he is not omnipotent.  Defense?

Oh, one more: Woud you kill your son if God commanded you to?

Hey Brian, Richard Spencer here.

I'm afraid that many of these questions are the kind that Caner will have heard many times before--you're certainly aware of this. I would be cautious about asking him these sorts of things because he likely has well-rehearsed answers that will turn his appearance on your show into a Caner sermon rather than a critical examination.

I actually called Liberty University and was able to get linked to a doctrinal statement of faith that is "mandatory... to which all faculty members subscribe." I would suggest questions (at least initial questions--not follow-up questions) be asked in reference to something listed from the following website: http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6907

This way you can frame your questions in the following manner: "Dr. Caner, the statement of faith to which you subscribe states __________ . So, my question is ___________." Doing this will avoid the response "well, some Christians may believe that, but I don't," or, "well that's not what real Christians believe." Both of these responses deflate the question and waste time in what could otherwise be a productive dialogue.

I will post some of my questions later. Remember the website!!!

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6907

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6907

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6907

Though there are people in each congregation that must struggle to properly clothe and feed themselves and their children, and cannot afford to maintain their less-than-modest vehicles if they even own one, almost all pastors live in well-kept houses and have little trouble eating what they please, buying new suits and driving reliable vehicles. Though these poor members often work 40 hours a week or more and still fight to make ends meet, they are asked to contribute money to their beautiful churches and the coffers of their preachers each Sunday while the clergy need only to speak two days a week from a stage and give a few consultations in offices that offer more comforts than the homes of some members of their churches.  Christian television networks, massive Christian music events --each generating hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) are offered for consideration as well. Even if you are able to convince us that a pastor "actually works more than that," isn't the wealth and comfort gap an injustice, and an example of a near-universal Christian hypocrisy at its worst and most apparent?

I don't know much about the man, but to me the obvious line of questioning would be this:

 

Do you "Know" god exists?   If yes, please share with us how you know.  Faith is not knowledge... (and then point out to him the critical thinking skills that are necessary to make the distinction).  If the answer is no, how can you justify supporting formalized education that is based on the assumption that god does exist, but you personally do not know to exist?

 

Just a thought...  I know this man can do nothing but defend his position with dogmatism.  When I think of putting myself in his shoes, I imagine my whole life and social structure being based on the assumptions of christianity.  He couldn't possibly cede a millimeter to what he sees as the enemy.  If he did he'd risk losing it all.  Think of the position of power and prestige he holds.  I know how much courage it took for me to reveal that I didn't believe in god even to the people who I knew would love me no matter what I thought, and I'm nobody.  That same act is virtually impossible for him.  The best anyone could do is open up his mind to experiencing what it's like to have a little bit of intellectual honesty.  That might get him thinking.... But maybe even that is too optimistic.

I find that it's always very impressive when I've heard you stop the guest as they begin to make an argument you've heard a dozen times, and then politely finish their argument and the next five arguments you knew they were going to make, and then when they confirm that that's in fact exactly where they were going, deliver your counter argument. I've heard you do this several times, and it immediately deflates the other guy because suddenly the theist audience members and the guest themselves realize they're not as novel and clever as they thought, but that they're just making the same stupid arguments over and over again like a broken record.

Do you know that we know that you know that you don't know?

Question: Do you believe what is in the Bible is 100% true with no errors, no falsehoods, no misleading passages, no faults of any kind whatsoever?

Followup question to a no answer: Then what parts of the Bible do you think are misleading, false, in error, or faulty?

And, knowing that these parts are faulty, do you obey them anyway, or do you reject them in your daily life?

And, knowing that the bible is faulty in some ways, how do you know which parts are faulty and which aren't?

Followup question to a yes answer: Then why is there so much confusion and disagreement between various people who read the bible? Wouldn't a perfect book be perfectly understood by anyone who reads it? If not, then how does it make sense to call it perfect?

 

If you had to boil it down to one question, I would really like to hear an answer to this one (from above): "Then what parts of the Bible do you think are misleading, false, in error, or faulty?"

Another good follow-up to that would be, "If the bible could be improved by removing, or otherwise editing, these faulty parts, then why don't you christians make a new version of the bible with all the crap taken out of it? That way, we wouldn't have to deal with the nutjobs who believe everything in the bible literally. 

My friend and I have asked this question to Christians, and no one could give us a straight answer...

If Jesus was God, then what was Adam? Did he not come from God? Adam had no father but God. So, how can Jesus be God and not Adam?

Please provide physical evidence

 

1. Why won't god heal amputees?

 

2. Why do christians want laws inacted that don't persoanlly affect them?

For example, christians promote bans on same sex marriages-so don't marry someone of the same sex.

christians promote overturning of Roe V Wade-if you don't like abortions, don't have one.

christians initiated blue liqour laws- if you don't want alcohol on Sunday, then don't buy it.

 

3. Are you Pro Life?

4. If you are a Pro Life advocate, do you believe in the death penalty?

5. If so, shouldn't you change the title of your stance to something other than PRO LIFE? Like Pro Fetus, or Pro Embryo

 

6. If the recent ossuaries are found to be those of Jesus of the bible-THE SON OF GOD as you claim, will you still believe that Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days and assended into heaven to be with his father, even though new evidence will show that he never left earth?

7. If you decide to continue to believe as you have, why?

8. What would happen to religion if the government decided to start taxing the churches across america?

If you knew you could save millions of people from eternal torment in hell by making lies about evolution, would you do it?  If so, are you doing it now?  If not, why?

Do you believe it is through faith that we no longer torture alleged heretics and have progressed out of the Dark Ages?

How do you know that God isn't immoral?

-Staks

DangerousTalk.net

The Bible does not ban slavery, but, in fact, goes so far to say you can even beat your slaves. My favourite Bible verse is Exodus 21:21, which says that it is okay to beat your slaves, so long as they do not die IMMEDIATELY. If you beat your slaves, and they survive the beating and die from it two days LATER (presumably after two days of horrible pain and agony), that is okay (according to the Bible), because the slave is their owner's "property" (or, as many Bible translations put it, "his money&quot.

Christians even go so far as to defend this appalling treatment, saying that it was "relatively" kind for the time. This guy ( http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/slavery.htm ) even praises the Biblical laws on slavery because-- shock, horror-- they enabled slaves to come into contact with the Gospel.

Many Christians I've talked to attempt to defend this verse by saying that it "no longer applies" since Jesus's sacrifice supposedly invalidated the Old Testament laws (except, of course, the anti-homosexuality ones in Leviticus-- nudge nudge, wink wink). But [1] God is not supposed to "change", and [2] if God permitted slavery-- and slave-beating-- thousands of years ago, but doesn't presently, doesn't that mean that he's still immoral (since God's character does not change)? Should we really "forgive" (or defend) God for horrible things he did thousands of years ago, if he's supposed to be eternal and unchanging?

I would love to hear your thoughts on why you worship a God who explicitly permits beating slaves.

Here is a question, if god made everything, what is he made of, you cannot create that witch is part of you already, or else it wasn’t created, like morality, if morality is made by god (as we are often told), he cannot be moral, if compassion is made by god, again, he cannot have any compassion whatsoever, the same is true for Forgiveness, Tolerance, Humility, Patience, (not to mention beauty), so which is it, did he create all those things as you say, or is he Moral/Compassionate/Forgiving/Tolerant/Humble/Patient/Beautiful, but therefore, (and this is the impotent bit) NOT omnipotent

A related one: Assuming God and Satan both exist, how do you know the Bible wasn't written by men under the influence of Satan? After all, you believe that about the Quran, right? 

If god is "outside of time" or "outside of space", as we've often heard as the reason why we can not find any trace of her, what does this mean? How can anything be outside the realm of possibility? If it does not mention this in scripture, how is this known?... Also how would you go about persuading someone that this is indeed the truth, say, to someone who is very skeptical of all religions and their holy books but open to all possibilities.

What makes something worthy of worship?
26,000 children starve daily why do you think that God will answer your prayers?

Is there free will in heaven?
If so why did God create the Earth since God could abtain free will worship in heaven without human pain.
If there is not free will in heaven then how did the angels rebel?

Do you abtain your morality from the Bible? If yes then why don't you put everyone to death as it is commanded in the OT?

Is the KJV Bible without errors?
If he says no just show some errors
2 Samuel 10:18
1 Chronicles 19:18

If he says ask, why would you trust your soul to a book with errors in it?

Would you live your life in the same manner if you did not believe in God?

Why did God kill David's innocent son for David's sin?

2 Samuel 12:14
Why was Uzzah killed for trying to steady the ark? He was only trying to stop it from falling.
2 Samuel 6:7

How are there Nephilim (giants) before and after the flood?
Gen. 6:4
Numbers 13:32-33

I always wanted this one answered ever since the RRS brought it up in the Ray Comfort episode.

 Why did god design the gp120 protein of the HIV virus to match perfectly with the CD4 protein of a child's T-Cells?

 (Please theists, don't try to debate on this thread about it.)

 

Thank you, Conn.

You don't have to ask this question but even as a Christian (I was a very liberal Christian) I was troubled by this story:

Matthew 8:28-34 says, "When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 'What do you want with us, Son of God?' they shouted. 'Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?' Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, 'If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.' He said to them, 'Go!' So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region."

Why the fuck did Jesus do that? I would have asked him to leave too ...