Don't date or marry Christian women.
Offline I had an interesting conversation last weekend with a guy I met in a strip club. He's a guy in his mid 20s that married a Christian woman. He was never religious. After just a year of marriage, she is seeing other men and he's going to strip clubs. I asked him why he got married and he said because she was a she was so sweet, he thought she would be content to be a good wife and she would never cheat(plus he was a horny young guy). So now, they're ready to divorce.
I told him love is blind, but marriage is an eye opener. Then I just flat out told him 'Religion is Bullshit'. I could see the light going on in his head for the first time in his life. Even though he had never been religious, he was trained by society to give religion undue respect and fooled by the phony piety and purity of Christian women. The thought that religion could all just be bullshit never crossed his mind till I said this.
There is a huge gender imbalance in Christian churches. Christian churches are very feminized, designed to appeal to women. Many churches have a 2 to 1 gender gap in female to male attendance. Of course the pastors are almost all male(men make better con artists). Mothers are generally the ones who indoctrinate their children with feminized Christianity. Christian men are generally considered kind of wimpy, hen pecked moma's boys. Single Christian women often bitch about this problem with Christian men.
As a result, this phenomenon of Christian women married to non-religious men. Apparently these women ignore their own bible's command to not be unequally yoked cause they don't like Christian men(or Christian men won't marry them). When I went to church(after being indoctrinated by my mother), I would always see Christian women praying for their husbands to be saved and come to church, but you'd never see the opposite of a husband highly involved in church with a wife at home. Apparently there is going to be a lot more women than men in heaven.
I am convinced that sex and marriage plays the biggest role in ending Christianity's dictatorship over society. If being a Christian women that attends these feminized churches means not having a husband or children they can indoctrinate, the church will die out. This myth of a Christian virgin being a good wife needs to be ended. Young men need to learn the facts of life before they decide to date or marry a Christian woman.
I think listening to Tom Leykis is the best education on the facts of life a young man can receive. Please, if you know any young men that might be vulnerable to falling into the trap of marriage to a Christian woman please have them listen to Tom:
Stop global whining.
But they are so fun to corrupt.
Morte alla tyrannus et dei
Just don't let them take half your money in divorce or force you to support any children she decides to indoctrinate with bullshit.
Stop global whining.
Well, everybody has to get pre-divorced at least once in their twenties, right? Seriously, I'm going to be curious to see the atheist/atheist vs. theist/atheist vs. theist/theist numbers whenever someone does the study. I suspect that atheists will have less total marriages and a little less divorce (primarily because they don't think they have to get married to have sex).
I was on the flip side of this coin when I was too young to be married. I was still a Christian, and married a girl who had left religion. Oddly, one of the things I liked about her was that she wasn't like all the Christian girls. It seems this phenomenon goes both ways.
The tide is changing, but I believe that most non-theists simply don't have any idea what religion is doing.
Christianity was very appealing to women in the first century or two of its existence, too. In fact, throughout history, we can see that women's place in society was an indicator of what the church would become. Unfortunately for women, the changes in the church have almost always been to their detriment.
Good observation. There's more to it. For many reasons, including religion, women view it as shameful to not "stand behind their man," so even if women don't agree with the religion of a devout husband, they're more likely to go anyway. Men are taught that they're supposed to be going out away from their wives to win the bread, so it's no big deal to let the wives go to church alone.
Please read my essay On Myth, Sexuality, and Culture. It's part of a much longer work on the subject. I think you'll enjoy some of the history presented, and some of the misconceptions about what marriage is.
Interestingly, the church in Canada is dying for exactly the opposite reason. Women are leaving in droves because they can't deal with the contradictions of post-feminist society and patriarchal churches.
That name rings vague bells, but I'm picturing a radio shock jock. Ah, well, I suppose I can follow the link and see what it's about.
Never Mind, trust to chance -- keep a sharp look out -- There is many a happy slave.
--Charles Darwin, on whether or not he ought to marry.
Another thing about a relationship with a Christian.
Do you really want to be married to someone who is only loyal to you because of the fear of hell?
If you get married don't you want to be with someone who is with you because they love you and enjoy your company. Someone who has sex with you because they want to not because the Lord expects them to do this.
Hell is having to stay married because of the fear of hell.
You must listen to Tom Leykis and understand his rules:
http://www.tenetsofleykis.com/
I don't agree with them all, but I understand the priciple behind them. He needs to add never marry a religious woman.
Stop global whining.
Wow. That is the guy I was thinking about. Shock jock, indeed. He's the male equivalent of a "Rules Girl."
If you don't know about The Rules, here are some excerpts from Wiki:
What I find ironic is that when you combine The Rules with Tenets of Leykis, you get a bunch of assholes acting like pricks to one another and never getting laid.
As something of an authority on human nature, I can say with a high degree of certainty that I wouldn't like hanging out with Ellen Fein, Sherrie Schneider, or Tom Leykis. They're all self-absorbed asses.
Never Mind, trust to chance -- keep a sharp look out -- There is many a happy slave.
--Charles Darwin, on whether or not he ought to marry.
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This contradicts one of Leykis' tenants:
That's right. If you follow these rules, you'll probably be called a jerk or an asshole. Wear it with pride. "Nice Guys" don't get laid.
Leykis claims you'll get laid more often for less money when you follow his tenants. I think it's mostly true because if you cave into whatever a woman wants, then she tells you when you can have sex. With men, controlling a girlfriend or wife always seems to boil down to money. If he contols it, he dictates the rules.
I think a lot of the rules for women are good for them, some are too obnoxious. With women, controlling a boyfriend or husband always seems to boil down to looks. If she's hot, she dictates the rules.
Bottom line is life and relationships are compromises. So make your own rules.
Stop global whining.
I think he's probably correct. I'd hesitate to say that getting laid by a lot of women for less money is necessarily the goal most men have. I'm not sure most men actually know what their goal is. We do so much without thinking when it comes to relationships and sex.
It's not something we're comfortable discussing in this society, but sex is an odd yin-yang kind of balancing act between competition and cooperation. The down side of being a controlling man is that it seldom leads to long term contentment for either person. The woman is constantly resentful, and the man is constantly distrustful of the woman's motives -- and for good reason. He's shown her that he's just interested in her body, and she's correct to think that he'll "upgrade" if given the chance.
All relationships are give and take, but giving and taking can be done happily or unhappily. For my money, I find that dating women who genuinely want to give is better than emotionally beating it out of them.
Self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard it. Good luck with this.
The thing is, old people have sex, too, and none of them are as hot as the young people. Still, people manage to stay together. There must be more to it, eh?
While damn near everything does boil down to sex in the end, it's not nearly as simple as looks=sex=happiness. Keep your eyes on the RRS Authors section. There's a lot more on this subject in the works.
As long as you know that consequences follow actions, and you're prepared for them, knock yourself out. I'm afraid you're unlikely to have a calm sense of contentment with another human being so long as you follow the Leykis rules, but maybe that's not what you're after.
Never Mind, trust to chance -- keep a sharp look out -- There is many a happy slave.
--Charles Darwin, on whether or not he ought to marry.
We'll you can't know the consequences for sure, that is life. One big reason people turn to religion is they can't handle the uncertainty of life and death so they turn it over to an imaginary Jesus.
I'm going to do what seems best to me, I don't have a god, government or any woman tell me what I need to do. American men are way too pussy whipped thanks to our puritan heritage.
As a recovering Christian and divorcee, I don't need a sense of contentment with another human being, just myself. I seek a balance between getting laid when I want and having a good realationship. I don't follow anyone else's rules(including Leykis) but I do respect what he says.
Stop global whining.
Like I said, as long as you know what you're doing, and what you're likely to get out of it, I can't say I have a problem with it.
The way I look at it, America is so deeply buried under mythology about sex and relationships that it's probably impossible to do much more than find a happy medium between several bad alternatives. It's further complicated by the naturalistic fallacy -- that is, something is good because it's natural. We can't say for certain that being slightly polygamous and female exogamous is the best way to be because we haven't defined what we mean by best. Best for whom? Best for happiness? Procreation? Best balance between all of the above?
Where I have problems with people like Leykis is that he advocates lying and manipulating women into having sex, and for me, I'd rather get it done myself than have to deal with the consequences of being an asshole and getting the kind of girls that assholes tend to be able to sucker into the sack.
Never Mind, trust to chance -- keep a sharp look out -- There is many a happy slave.
--Charles Darwin, on whether or not he ought to marry.
The guy at the strip was just non-religous so I can see how he ended up with a christian women. He was probably in no way opposed to or bothered by christiainity and the claims that it makes.
I am openly skeptical of biblical claims and I would not want to marry someone that saw things so much differently than I do on this topic of religion. I had a christian girlfriend once and we would sometimes argue about religion, I would not put myself through that again.She got "saved" then asked me to marry her a couple of times, so she could have sex with me without fornicating, but I declined. I wasn't goin to put up with this women for another year and definately not the rest the of my life..