Dave wins dumbass blog of day then deletes blog...
Earlier today we alerted Dave in Australia he had won the dumbass of the day award. Myself along with several others left comments for Dave the dumbass. Just several hours after receiving the award Dave decided to remove his blog. Here is what it said...
Here's his page: http://www.myspace.com/thejetboy (is it Dave or Doug?)
Blasphemy challenge: where atheists are forming their own religion/cult
Current mood: thirsty
Category: Religion and Philosophy
Earlier this year on youtube, this thing called the "blasphemy challenge" was taking place where atheists would upload videos of themselves denouncing God and the Holy Spirit - apparently the most unforgivable sin mentioned in the Bible. The people that weren't merely trying to be "hip" and "cool" would also include some of their own "reasoning" as to why they did not believe. I think it was part of the little speech to state something such as "just as I know there is no Santa Claus, I can use my rational mind and observe the world around me and realize there is no God".
The group responsible for this goes by the name "Rational Response Squad".
I know! I know! It has the word "rational" in it!
Visiting their website or looking into any of the activities of the members who run this organization, you will soon discover what are some truly disturbing and lost people.
What these idiots do not realize - or do realize, but choose to ignore and pretend doesn't apply to them - is that they have formed their own religion. Actually I think "cult" is a better word to describe these people.
Also, I find it particularly ironic that they use the word "rational" in both their organizations name and blasphemy challege as the key proponent of their rejection of God and the Holy Spirit. Why is this?
Well, it's very simple. What these people do not understand, or ardently choose to reject/ignore/find ways to argue around using rhetoric and pride filled pseudo-intellectualism is that "rationality" is actually better evidence for God's existence than His non-existence. Why is this? Consider a simple argument proposed by my favourite pastor Cliff Knechtle of Grace Commnity Church USA, who is also an excellent theologian and philosopher:
If there is no God, then there is no mind prior to the human mind.
If there is no God, and we are merely the product of evolution and natural selection. If this is the case then we can strongly argue that rationality and free-will do not exist. Rather, Determinism sounds far more accurate because everything we do, think or feel is already determined to happen. If evolution and natural selection are true, then every thought, feeling, emotion, decision - every impulse we have is the result of pre-determined biological processes. After all, we are merely animals that evolved from slime right?
So what is this bullshit about "rationality", "reason" and "logic" that these atheists love to refer to?
Atheist: one who practices rejecting the notion of God due to pride, while insisting that the rejection is the result of a "lack of evidence" for the existence of God.
Lack of evidence? Science has revealed more evidence FOR the existence of a Creator and the events of the Bible. But that is another discussion.
Many atheists and agnostics love telling people like me that I am brainwashed. O rly? Brainwashed you say? What exactly am I brainwashed into NOT believing? What is this ultimate truth that I do not see?
In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God. -- Psalm 10:4
Let their lying lips be silenced, for with pride and contempt they speak arrogantly against the righteous. -- Psalm 31:18
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. -- Proverbs 11:2
The proud and arrogant man-"Mocker" is his name; he behaves with overweening pride. -- Proverbs 21:24
A man's pride brings him low, but a man of lowly spirit gains honor. -- Proverbs 29:23
The Good Book. It is a good book, the greatest book of all. The Book of Proverbs contains wiser words than any philosopher of man.
Anyway, the point is: rationalism, free-will and logic are greater evidence for God's existance. The fools of the blasphemy challenge are arrogantly using that which they have received from God to reject the Holy Spirit. Now there is no greater sin than that!
If reason is to have any force at all, it cannot be a set of conventions or culturally agreed upon rules of thought because they would simply be arbitrary and therefore could not be imperative. There could be no laws of logic. And if reason was simply a plutonic form - a piece of furniture of the universe - then it could not impose its rules onto thinking beings. Only a person exercising their will - a powerful person - could do such a thing. For reason to be intelligble it must find its source in a transcendant, personal, perfectly ordered non-contigent being who has revealed Himself to us. If reason can not be accounted for a source outside of itself, then you end up trying to ground reason by using reason, and that is a logical fallacy begging the question: an addition notion such as 'right', 'wrong', 'good', 'bad' etc have no real meaning or oughtness if they are conventions or societal norms. They too must find their source in a transcendant personal non-contigent omni-benevolent being. And again the same is true regarding 'universals'. Without a God in which all ideas are grounded, all we can speak of are 'particulars' - individual things that bear no relation to one another despite the appearance to the contrary. And with only particulars there can be no language or communication whatsoever since language is predicated on the existence of universals, on categories.
One of the most common claims of the 'blasphemy challenge' video so far is the examination of how the world is and that it 'shows' that there is no God. To do this however is to use inductive reasoning. Induction looks at the particulars and extrapolates that 'this is how the world is' without exception. The problem with using induction is that in an atheistic world view it is fallacious. Just because something is true in a given instance does not prove it is that way in every instance. For an atheist to make a claim about how the universe 'is' would require exhaustive knowledge of the universe in all its states of development. And no one can claim such a thing and be taken seriously. For induction to work requires that nature is uniform and that there are patterns of causation. But that uniformity must be accounted for in some way. And again that way can only be in a cause outside of the universe that is acting in it by establishing the laws that govern these patterns and provide uniformity.
Finally there is the problem of the atheistic mind. If there is no soul, then the mind is simply a property of the brain. No brain, no mind. If this is true, then we're just physical entities - flesh machines. And if this is true then we are entirely determined by chemical and biological processes, meaning there is no such thing as free-will and therefore no one can be truly held responsible for anything they do. After all, we'd just be doing what we're programmed to do - such as believing in God or being an atheist. That would mean there would be nothing wrong with rape, murder, theft, lying etc. And of course there could be no such thing as wrong in the first place. In the end, every tool an atheist uses can only be accounted for by the God of the Bible - a transcendant non-contigent personal being who imposes His image on us so that we can use our minds to make free moral choices, think rationally, employ induction and use language. As a Christian I challenge all atheists to stop borrowing all their tools from the God of the Bible and make your case without using logic, universals, induction, morality or your mind. When you can do that, I'll take your claim seriously. Until then every protest you make only proves what you are trying to deny.
I'm Doug Powell and I'm proud to fail the 'blasphemy challenge'.
Doug Powell - a Christian intellectual (and former atheist) who certainly failed the blasphemy challenge.
I plan on going over this dudes arguments and discussing how I understand them because he mentions some really good and interesting stuff. It has been claimed that his arguments follow circular logic - where the premises' implicitly and explicitly assume the conclusion. I am unsure yet, anyway it is the topic of another blog entry when I am in the mood for torturing my mind again due to lack of ability to sleep or general procrastination...
Here is RRS response:
Congratulations! You win the dumbass of the day award. Your entire post will be the topic of conversation on Thursday nights Rational Response Squad show 8-11pm EST. You're welcome to join us on the show to talk about it on the phone. Just come by our chatroom a few minutes before we're set to begin: http://www.rationalresponders.com/rrs_webcam_room
Here are some bullet points... (Dumbass in quotes, RRS followed by "-")
"What these idiots do not realize - or do realize, but choose to ignore and pretend doesn't apply to them - is that they have formed their own religion. Actually I think "cult" is a better word to describe these people."
- I'd love to address this, but could you first provide your evidence for your claim? I notice you call us idiots, I hope you don't take offense to being the "dumbass" of the day.
"If there is no God, then there is no mind prior to the human mind.
If there is no God, and we are merely the product of evolution and natural selection. If this is the case then we can strongly argue that rationality and free-will do not exist. Rather, Determinism sounds far more accurate because everything we do, think or feel is already determined to happen. If evolution and natural selection are true, then every thought, feeling, emotion, decision - every impulse we have is the result of pre-determined biological processes. After all, we are merely animals that evolved from slime right?"
- I have a better idea... Let's flip reality on it's head and presuppose the upside down reality is actual reality. Oh wait... you already did that. We'll address this one at length in the show.
"Atheist: one who practices rejecting the notion of God due to pride, while insisting that the rejection is the result of a "lack of evidence" for the existence of God."
- Not only are you the dumbass of the day, but you also receive the honor of winning: "The most made up definition of atheist" award. Seriously, what dictionary or source did you pull that from? Don't tell me it was your dumbass favorite Pastor Cliff Knechtle of Grace Community Church.
"Lack of evidence? Science has revealed more evidence FOR the existence of a Creator and the events of the Bible. But that is another discussion."
- I can only imagine why that is another discussion.
"One of the most common claims of the 'blasphemy challenge' video so far is the examination of how the world is and that it 'shows' that there is no God."
- Actually in this case the claim is to show that the chance that the Christian God exists is so small that it's as existent as the tooth fairy, and thousands are so sure... they're willing to take their chances so you learn a lesson. A lesson that you choose to ignore, that is your choice, it's just not a sane one.
"To do this however is to use inductive reasoning."
- You mean like you?
I left out much of your retardation, we'll address it in full detail on our show, Thursday 8-11pm EST. http://www.rationalresponders.com/rrs_webcam_room
2 Kudos to you dumbass! I'll be telling my friends about the show topic, expect a visitor or two.
Todangst will join Rook and Sapient in the chat room 8-11 pm Thursday (tonight) as we try to sort out the drivel from above. Feel free to comment about his original blog and maybe we'll include your views in the live broadcast. Additionally in this show on Thursday we'll talk to Robby59 a 14 year old who recently left religion behind after researching RationalResponders.com for several months.
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