Bill O'Reilly interviews Richard Dawkins

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Bill O'Reilly interviews Richard Dawkins

Just thought I'd pass this on in case you folks miss it. Taken from Richards website.

"Richard Dawkins will be interviewed by conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly on Monday, April 23, at 8.00pm EST on FOX.

The program will be rebroadcasted at 11.00pm".

Hmmm... OK.... I wonder how this will go down? Undecided

http://richarddawkins.net/article,900,NEXT-MONDAY-Bill-OReilly-interviews-Richard-Dawkins,The-OReilly-Factor-Fox-News


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No idea but I'm wondering

No idea but I'm wondering how I'll get a copy of it over here in the arse end of the world.


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Very interesting, can't wait

Very interesting, can't wait to see that!


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Indeed. I hope our prophet

Indeed. I hope our prophet rips Bill a new one!


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Hehehe, I feel like before

Hehehe, I feel like before an important boxing/MMA match cheering for my favourite!

Gooooo Richard!!! Laughing


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Indeed. I hope our prophet

Indeed. I hope our prophet rips Bill a new one!

I trust that this is a joke. Nonetheless, you understand that I have very big problems with referring to Richard Dawkins as our "prophet". Undoubtably his work is worthy of high commendation and he is one of the most respected intellectuals in atheism, but he is not a clairvoyant or a prophet, and he has said a great many things with which I disagree. This kind of language is the sort of opportunity a theist will use to tear you a new asshole.

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deludedgod wrote: Indeed.

deludedgod wrote:

Indeed. I hope our prophet rips Bill a new one!

I trust that this is a joke. Nonetheless, you understand that I have very big problems with referring to Richard Dawkins as our "prophet". Undoubtably his work is worthy of high commendation and he is one of the most respected intellectuals in atheism, but he is not a clairvoyant or a prophet, and he has said a great many things with which I disagree. This kind of language is the sort of opportunity a theist will use to tear you a new asshole.

It was a joke. Don't take it too seriously deludedgod. 

 Besides, if a theist tried to use that against me, they would feel stupid when I tell them that I was kidding.

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LovE-RicH wrote:

LovE-RicH wrote:

Hehehe, I feel like before an important boxing/MMA match cheering for my favourite!

Gooooo Richard!!! Laughing

I'm wondering if Richard Dawkins is too "polite" for Bill O'Reilly. I've noticed that Dr. Dawkins listens very carefully and usually does not interrupt before tearing his opponent a new one. Bill O'Reilly yells and screams and blusters and talks over his guests and if that doesn't work, he cuts their microphones.

I had the damnedest time getting the place I was going for physical therapy to stop playing Bill O'Reilly while I was there. I was going there for "therapy," not to make my blood pressure rise. The gym I go to is owned by the typical resident type here: rednecks. Smiling So, between the staff and the guests, Fox Noise is often running on a number of the TVs. (Note: physical therapy and gym are owned by the same company.) I need an iPod or something. Smiling

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Iruka Naminori wrote: I'm

Iruka Naminori wrote:

I'm wondering if Richard Dawkins is too "polite" for Bill O'Reilly. I've noticed that Dr. Dawkins listens very carefully and usually does not interrupt before tearing his opponent a new one. Bill O'Reilly yells and screams and blusters and talks over his guests and if that doesn't work, he cuts their microphones.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this.  All the hosts on Fox tend to stick with being loud followed by sticking their fingers in their ears.  Honestly, it's pretty difficult to win an argument on any of those shows, only because they refuse to listen to any sort of viewpoint beside their own. 


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He should be fine as long as

He should be fine as long as he comes with prepared responses to Papa Bear's predictable arguments. And Dawkins knows the rational responses and has appeared in the media enough to know how to formulate a great, concise soundbite.


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AModestProposal wrote: He

AModestProposal wrote:
He should be fine as long as he comes with prepared responses to Papa Bear's predictable arguments. And Dawkins knows the rational responses and has appeared in the media enough to know how to formulate a great, concise soundbite.

I hope so. "Papa Bear"...LOL!  I wonder why Colbert calls him that when his persona hates bears so much? 

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Umm....I think you answered

Umm....I think you answered your own question, Iruka.


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I wonder what ad hominem

I wonder what ad hominem attack little billy will go for this time around.

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I'm not convinced that the

I'm not convinced that the average Fox watcher can tell the difference between a valid point being made and an effective, albeit dishonest, debate tactic. If they could they probably wouldn't use Fox or O'Reilly as a news source. 

I wish Dr. Dawkins the best.

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Doesn't Bill O'Lielly tend

Doesn't Bill O'Lielly tend to do the same thing Laura Ingraham did - ie talk over people and cut their mike off?

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Yeah, he does cut peoples

Yeah, he does cut peoples mikes off, tries to correct them in a middle of a sentence. Doesn't let them finsh a point. Richard will get in 3 words if possible. Which will end up being "I'm an atheist" then bill will end it there.

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Family_Guy wrote: Umm....I

Family_Guy wrote:
Umm....I think you answered your own question, Iruka.

Oh yeah...good point! Duh!  


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I actually wish this

I actually wish this interview wasn't happening. Dawkins made a wise decision long ago to not participate in debates or interviews with fundys because a) the published product will be set up and edited to make him look bad with no regard for truth and b) engaging in these debates actually elevates the fundy because he can pretend his material is on the same level with Dawkins'. I don't know why Dawkins would think O'Reilly is any different. He's in for an unfair, predetermined hatchet job that will just leave all the christcons chuckling about how much smarter O'Reilly is than Dawkins. Undecided

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American Atheist wrote:

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Besides, if a theist tried to use that against me, they would feel stupid when I tell them that I was kidding.

 

Oh, I don't think it's people who use it on you that is the concern, you can probably handle yourself, it's people who use it out of context elsewhere to try and stack up their argument that 'Atheism is a Religion'. You know how dishonest things can get out there, in-jokes are just as valid in some peoples eyes as actual serious comments. Smiling

 

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Tilberian wrote: I actually

Tilberian wrote:
I actually wish this interview wasn't happening. Dawkins made a wise decision long ago to not participate in debates or interviews with fundys because a) the published product will be set up and edited to make him look bad with no regard for truth and b) engaging in these debates actually elevates the fundy because he can pretend his material is on the same level with Dawkins'. I don't know why Dawkins would think O'Reilly is any different. He's in for an unfair, predetermined hatchet job that will just leave all the christcons chuckling about how much smarter O'Reilly is than Dawkins. Undecided

Maybe.  I'm not sure.  I guess we'll wait and see.

You're absolutely right that O'Reilly is completely unfair to his guests and you're equally correct in your assessment of his fans.  My mother is one. Sad  When someone gets the better of O'Reilly, it goes completely under her radar.  It's amazing how she will uncritically accept anything O'Reilly (Limbaugh, Faux News, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell) spews.

I think I'm starting to get to her a little bit because at times she has shown an acceptance of evolutionary theory and has bemoaned the state of national discourse. (I haven't pointed out who started the nastiness.  Hint: it wasn't us.)  She's also watched a few of my favorite Colbert clips (only really tame ones).  I am NOT going to push it, though.  The woman is in her sixties. 

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I hope I rembmer to watch

I hope I rembmer to watch this. Should be interesting.

[ETA] Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if the Fox stations I get carry it... Oh well, I'm sure it'll be on YouTube either way. (Any anyway, that would probably be a better way to watch it, so I don't have to sit through the rest of the show waiting for it Eye-wink)


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Tilberian wrote:I actually

Tilberian wrote:
I actually wish this interview wasn't happening. Dawkins made a wise decision long ago to not participate in debates or interviews with fundys because a) the published product will be set up and edited to make him look bad with no regard for truth and b) engaging in these debates actually elevates the fundy because he can pretend his material is on the same level with Dawkins'. I don't know why Dawkins would think O'Reilly is any different. He's in for an unfair, predetermined hatchet job that will just leave all the christcons chuckling about how much smarter O'Reilly is than Dawkins. Undecided

I tend to agree with you. Unfortunately his core audience is what we seek to change. Maybe if we throw enough atheists on billy's pyre his audience will realize how repetitive and ineffective billy really is.

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That sucked, the interview

That sucked, the interview lasted 5 minutes.

 O'Reilly invoked Pascal's Wager within 30 seconds.  

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I wish i could have put

I wish i could have put money on the arguments O'Reilly was going to use. I knew he'd bring up Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.


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Hey guys, if you missed the

Hey guys, if you missed the interview you can check it out in my blog.


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Dawkins made some good

Dawkins made some good points, but it was like he didn't really wanna take the gloves off...most theists will claim victory, just because he didn't trounce Bill.

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You know, I get the same

You know, I get the same "should I, shouldn't I" feeling about watching this as I did when the Saddam hanging video was leaked.  I think I'm going to watch it anyways.  Away from anything I can throw.

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Notice how he brings up

Notice how he brings up right away Atheism AND Naziism rising in Europe (implying a connection?) Asshat.

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Here's a link to the

Here's a link to the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8etMHn4P6g

 

O'Rielly makes the argumetn that Hitler was an Atheist and one of the owrst murders of the 20th Century. Here's a rebuttal to that idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmeBAyN4EoU 

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The links are not working.

The links are not working.Frown


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Amazing. I think we are all

Amazing. I think we are all now stupider for having watched that interview. O'Reilly actually manages to make it an information-negative event. His sole and only purpose is to ask Dawkins questions that require longer answers than he can give on TV and thereby make it look like Dawkins is agreeing with him all the time. As a debating event, it was a non-starter. Dawkins didn't really even attempt to rise to his questions. For instance, the accusation that atheism requires faith has a number of easy responses (for instance, "What is it that you think I have faith in?&quotEye-wink and Dawkins used none of them.

As a political appearance, however, I think the interview was a success. Dawkins appeared affable by not aggressively engaging O'Reilly. He didn't say anything that christcons could find egregiously offensive - in fact, he said very little, meaning that the main take-away from the piece was the name of the book and the fact that it is wildly successful. All-in-all, a solid victory.

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Oh, whenever you get the

Oh, whenever you get the malformed id thinger, just copy paste the text instead of using the link.


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You know, I get the same "should I, shouldn't I" feeling about watching this as I did when the Saddam hanging video was leaked. I think I'm going to watch it anyways. Away from anything I can throw.

LOL...so did you watch one, neither or both? 

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I cheered when Mr. Dawkins

I cheered when Mr. Dawkins got that bit in about the U.S. being founded by secularists. All Billo could say was "No it wasn't and I got letters to prove it." Too bad he didn't give Richard enough time to reply show me where it is written in the constitution that America was founded on christianity.

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HealingBlight wrote: Oh,

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Oh, whenever you get the malformed id thinger, just copy paste the text instead of using the link.

Yeah, these forums have a habbit of adding spaces to the end of URLS etc which stuffs up the links to youtube. 

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Iruka Naminori wrote:

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You know, I get the same "should I, shouldn't I" feeling about watching this as I did when the Saddam hanging video was leaked. I think I'm going to watch it anyways. Away from anything I can throw.

LOL...so did you watch one, neither or both?

I did end up watching the Saddam video.  I've never seen that many ski masks in my life.  I'm getting stockholm syndrome just thinking about it.

I haven't watched the dawkins/ORLY video yet, but I plan to.  I do tech support for a living, so I've already had a nice, long day of listening to some of the stupidiest shit imaginable so I'm not quite up to it.  I'll bite the bullet soon.  Or maybe just a rolled up sock.   

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Even though I can't watch

Even though I can't watch it, watching these kinds of interviews merely make me wish I was the one being interviewed. People need to do the same to him as he does to others. Ask a hundred questions that can't be answered in less than 4 hours. Make generalizations and talk about how Hitler and Napoleon were theists. Though someone somewhere mentioned how Dawkins said something about Hitler and Stalin both having mustaches, but mustaches don't make people evil. That's a nice winger.

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It was kind of a waste i

It was kind of a waste i think, on O'Reily's part.

 You get one of the most influential minds of this day and age and interview him for only 3 mins.

 Dawkins did great, he didn't let O'Reily push him around like he does with everyone else, and he presented his points very well.

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