Why do guys get turned on by lesbian love?

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Why do guys get turned on by lesbian love?

RRS is the perfect place to discuss wholesome family matters like porn, tits and other really important issues. So let's talk about lesbian love. Why do guys enjoy thinking about it? My better half and I were watching the movie Imagine Me and You with Piper Perabo (her prior claim to fame was Coyote Ugly) and Lena Headey (who played the queen in 300). Now this was the most definitive swan song of chick flicks (ie. no lesbotic porn, a lot of talking and crying). Yet I thoroughly enjoyed the film for the fine acting, tear jerking moments and humor but I was also completely turned on by the lead characters eventual intent of french kissing, tit massaging and mutual clitoral bliss (even though none of that was shown--dammit!!)

So why was I turned on by this flick? In contrast, my wife turned her head away while Jake Gyllenhaal took it up the ass from Heath Ledger in Brokeback Mountain. Why aren't women turned on by the thought of men having sex? Given the choice, I bet women would rather see two women go at it rather than two men. And even the most homophobic, sexually repressed, ultra-religious guy likely sins about Halle Berry giving Salma Hayek a sponge bath.

 If lust is an innate property the evolutionary intent of which was for reproduction, why would the male psych. think about non-reproductive sex among women? Or for that matter, why are men turned on by a woman masturbating? What is the evolutionary advantage of this? Why would the lust module have evolved via natural selection if it allows mental imagery of non-reproductive sexual thoughts? Mind you, among Bonobos lesbian sex is quite common and we're just a few nucleotides away from them. Lusty thoughts about lesbians are great but why?


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Back when I was single and

Back when I was single and watched porn occasionally, I would fast forward through the lesbian scenes.  So don't ask me.

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Because men have enough ego

Because men have enough ego to think they might get invited to participate?


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Some men are.  Some men are

Some men are.  Some men are not.  Why wouldn't men with heteroseual inclinations be turned on by women, though?  Even two women having sex with each other?

Some women actually do like watching gay sex.  My closest female friends find gay porn hot.  Don't know how they like lesbian porn.  I expect they don't care for it.

I can become aroused by straight porn, but it's no the woman who's arousing me (incidentally, there's a new gay porn fad where staight guys have sex with girls, but it's shot with the male as the focus rather than as in straight porn where the woman is the focus), just as for straight men it's not the guy who's turning them on... or not mostly Sticking out tongue.  Lesbian porn is a huge turn off though.

I would think that any sexual human could become aroused by any sexual material as long as they actually find the material arousing (which may be dependant on the gender of the people in the material as well as on other things).

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Because it is the expression

Because it is the expression of what is usually repressed in men


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4 boobs better is better

4 boobs better is better than 2?


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I am not turned on by men,

I am not turned on by men, I am turned on by women.  Because of that I find two women doing something sexual to be far more arrousing because I don't have to look at some random naked dude that I no desire seeing. 


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Let me give you my 0.02$

Let me give you my 0.02$ !

When it comes to porn flicks, you guys are turned on by lesbians scenes that are made for turning guys on. While girls may also find them exciting the targeted audience is obviously the males. Two sexy/ultra fem chicks rubbing each other with their long nails in completely unrealistic ways seems to get you guys going : "Oh yeah ! I could fuck them both ! The only thing missing in there is My cock !"

Try to watch a real lesbian porn movie, made by dykes for dykes and then come back again and tell me it turns you on.

Now why don't we like guy/guy scene in America? I think it's a cultural thing.

In japan, for instance, there is this genre of manga that always features gay boy sex that's called Shōnen-ai (boy love) and this kind of "literature" is targeted at a female audience. Why don't we see that here ? Cultural ways of looking at sex if the only thing I can come up with to explain why gay guys in our western world is considered to be "not sexy".

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Let me give you my 0.02$ !

When it comes to porn flicks, you guys are turned on by lesbians scenes that are made for turning guys on. While girls may also find them exciting the targeted audience is obviously the males. Two sexy/ultra fem chicks rubbing each other with their long nails in completely unrealistic ways seems to get you guys going : "Oh yeah ! I could fuck them both ! The only thing missing in there is My cock !"

Try to watch a real lesbian porn movie, made by dykes for dykes and then come back again and tell me it turns you on.

Now why don't we like guy/guy scene in America? I think it's a cultural thing.

In japan, for instance, there is this genre of manga that always features gay boy sex that's called Shōnen-ai (boy love) and this kind of "literature" is targeted at a female audience. Why don't we see that here ? Cultural ways of looking at sex if the only thing I can come up with to explain why gay guys in our western world is considered to be "not sexy".

I'll agree with that. 


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I think that they are hot

I think that they are hot !

What about you guys ?

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I think that they are hot !

What about you guys ?

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Are you shittin me!?! From the still photos, those women are HOT!!!! If that's feminist/dyke porn, then I'd say let feminists rule over us. You've got a great eye for great porn.


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ragdish wrote: Are you

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Are you shittin me!?! From the still photos, those women are HOT!!!! If that's feminist/dyke porn, then I'd say let feminists rule over us. You've got a great eye for great porn.

You are probably a lesbian in the body of a man buddy !

At least you have good eyes to ! LOL

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I'll have to look later, at

I'll have to look later, at work atm so not able to =O


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Are you shittin me!?! From the still photos, those women are HOT!!!! If that's feminist/dyke porn, then I'd say let feminists rule over us. You've got a great eye for great porn.

You are probably a lesbian in the body of a man buddy !

At least you have good eyes to ! LOL

Laughing out loud

 

 

All right, I'll openly admit it to the world. I am coming out of the closet. I'm revealing my inner dyke. I'm a male with the mind of a lesbian who likes to watch lesbians fuck. Is there a word for folks like me? Am I malesbian? And if a malesbian likes women, is he gay? Or if a malesbian likes men, is he straight? And what do you call him if he wants include a midget and farm animals?


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ragdish wrote: Girl

ragdish wrote:
Girl Dancing In Orbit wrote:
ragdish wrote:

Are you shittin me!?! From the still photos, those women are HOT!!!! If that's feminist/dyke porn, then I'd say let feminists rule over us. You've got a great eye for great porn.

You are probably a lesbian in the body of a man buddy !

At least you have good eyes to ! LOL

Laughing out loud

 

 

All right, I'll openly admit it to the world. I am coming out of the closet. I'm revealing my inner dyke. I'm a male with the mind of a lesbian who likes to watch lesbians fuck. Is there a word for folks like me? Am I malesbian? And if a malesbian likes women, is he gay? Or if a malesbian likes men, is he straight? And what do you call him if he wants include a midget and farm animals?

That would be a malesbian with some weird fetish.

PS : Malesbian is actually a real word that describes exactly that... Did you come up with that on your own... Cause if you did, you are very cool !  

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omg there's a word for

omg there's a word for that...I thought it was just "normal".


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Girl Dancing In Orbit wrote:
ragdish wrote:
Girl Dancing In Orbit wrote:
ragdish wrote:

Are you shittin me!?! From the still photos, those women are HOT!!!! If that's feminist/dyke porn, then I'd say let feminists rule over us. You've got a great eye for great porn.

You are probably a lesbian in the body of a man buddy !

At least you have good eyes to ! LOL

Laughing out loud

 

 

All right, I'll openly admit it to the world. I am coming out of the closet. I'm revealing my inner dyke. I'm a male with the mind of a lesbian who likes to watch lesbians fuck. Is there a word for folks like me? Am I malesbian? And if a malesbian likes women, is he gay? Or if a malesbian likes men, is he straight? And what do you call him if he wants include a midget and farm animals?

That would be a malesbian with some weird fetish.

PS : Malesbian is actually a real word that describes exactly that... Did you come up with that on your own... Cause if you did, you are very cool !  

I honestly did not know "malesbian" is a real word. Thanks for the compliment. RRS is way to cool. But now if you'll excuse me it's time for me to download the The Bastard Fairies (12 tracks for free!!!!).


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Why do girls get turned on

Why do girls get turned on by lesbian love? And by girls I mean straight girls. As much as I love breasts and I do love breasts (mine included) I could never hit a homerun with a girl.  Let's just say this is something I know and skip over the part on how I know this...

 But watching girls? Wow!  Nothing makes me want a nice think male member like seeing two girls get it on.  Well, except seeing three girls get it on, that is.



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ragdish wrote: I honestly

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I honestly did not know "malesbian" is a real word. Thanks for the compliment. RRS is way to cool. But now if you'll excuse me it's time for me to download the The Bastard Fairies (12 tracks for free!!!!).

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Hot, naked chicks make guys

Hot, naked chicks make guys horny. Story at 11.

Also, just as an FYI, there's a slight difference between shonen-ai and yaoi. The former is more about the lovey-dovey relationship between two guys; the latter is more about the buttsecks. NTTAWWT

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I find this conundrum to be

I find this conundrum to be particularly interesting and have often wondered about it myself. I'm not going to get into specifics here, but I have had relationships with women, and I always felt slightly unfulfilled, as if something was missing. I really couldn't have a steady relationship with a woman for that reason.

That being said, I have always been attracted to women in the sense that I liked looking at naked women--well, at least some of them. (I must confess to being extremely picky and that may be a result of being a stripper and seeing thousands of naked women.) This feeling goes back as far as I can remember--even into prepubescence. I obviously have no problem with homosexuality, but I also find myself turned off by gay male sex. Actually, I don't even like porn with male/female anal scenes. (An interesting side note is that I don't like to watch porn with no man involved--too boring.)

Anyway, I think that we're neglecting the influence that societal concepts of eroticism and the taboos that go along with it has. I think that female/female sexual activity is something that has been sexualized in a much more general sense than male/male.

I don't think that it serves any evolutionary purpose--not every human behavior can be broken down in that way. If it did, I think that the closest correlation that could be made would involve the male seeking to solve the females obvious sexual frustration if he happened upon such an event. (Once upon a time when there were no bedrooms at least.) You can also look at anthropological history and see that the one man/many women family arrangement was very common, and there's no way that guy's actually pleasing all of his 17 wives. Maybe they resorted to pleasing each other in lieu of that?

You could extend this same argument to masturbation in general. Masturbation is essentially a waste of resources, but it is used as a substitute for more productive sexual activity. Or oral sex. Even various species of monkey/ape perform oral sex on male and female partners. (I saw a chimp giving another chimp a blow job at a zoo once. It was weird.)

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I think that my point is that sexuality is an extremely complex matter that doesn't necessarily always have an evolutionary origin that makes much sense. Society plays a large role in what is considered erotic. You can look at cultures in which breasts are not erotic at all and men laugh at the idea that they would be. They are, after all, intended to feed babies and have little in common with a vagina. (I know some of you are going to give me the ass=tits theory, but I really feel that the development of breasts as an outward sign of reproductive readiness is more plausible.)

Whatever. I'm too busy thinking about sex to remember my point.


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There is something out

There is something out there for everyone on the net today. There are women who like watching two guys, but that is rare compared to men who like watching two women.

But to be fair to reality, these people are paid preformers and most gay/lesbians in reality heterosexual people wouldnt be atracted to. The buff and hard bodies we see in porn are not the body immages that we see in reality.

A comedian a long time ago said, "I think they should call all porn movies the same thing. People doing things you will never get to do, having sex with people you will never have sex with". 

 

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Try to watch a real lesbian porn movie, made by dykes for dykes and then come back again and tell me it turns you on.

But do dykes having sex define what "real" lesbian sex actually is ?  ...ie, lip stick lesbians ?

( Likewise, do men who only like to have sex with morbidly obese women define what real hetero sex is ? Wink)

Ps, why do so many dykes seem to actually hate biological males ?

I was amazed when reading the "female seeking female" in an alternative newspaper that so many of the notices stated "no man haters"

 

 

 

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ProzacDeathWish wrote: But

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But do dykes having sex define what "real" lesbian sex actually is ? ...ie, lip stick lesbians ?

That's not what I meant. I was talking about what turned guys on in porn movies. I'm not saying that we all fuck in the same way, of course not we are all different, like straight people there are tons of different sexual practices that ppl do.

But Lipstick lesbians are what you guys usually and understandably want to see, hell, that's even what straight/bi and some lesbian girls like to see also. Just look at the L Word, most of the girls in there are really feminine, sexy and look straight. They have to do that if they want to get the maximum of people to watch the show and that's an aspect of this particular show that a lot of my friends (my self included) complain about, it's not really representative of us although I understand why they have to do that (I'm still addicted to it though).

But since lipstick dykes do not make for 100% of my community, saying that guys like to see lesbians have sex is an incomplete statement if you ask me, they like to see "lesbians" that looks like sexy straight girls that gives the impression that they would be available to them. I don't know a lot of guys (that goes for straight/bi girls also) that like to see a complete stone butch fucking a tomboy or a genderqueer (why the fuck do we have all of these labels anyways lol).

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Ps, why do so many dykes seem to actually hate biological males ?

I was amazed when reading the "female seeking female" in an alternative newspaper that so many of the notices stated "no man haters"

If there were so many notice that stated "no man hater" That should tell you that there are so many of us who don't hate men. Sticking out tongue

I love you guys and I actually get along way better with guys than girls.

 

 

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Looking at it from a very

Looking at it from a very reductionist point of view, most "lesbian" pornography boils down to a few distinct stimuli:

1. the visual of the female form 

2. the sounds of sexual arousal in female

3. the visual of sexual acts being performed on the female form

etc. 

Essentially, lesbian pornography has all the general stimuli of male-female works, but with twice the amount of visual stimuli. I don't really think that the lesbian act is the cause of the arousal so much as the pre-existing stimuli.

So really, I think guys are into it because there are more girls, and therefore more stimuli. The movie the TC was watching brought forth imaginings of the stimuli, which become stimuli in and of themselves.


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Well, if we break this down

Well, if we break this down a bit and try to answer your question...What turns men on in porn films ?

Partly, I think it's a sense of living vicariously through others.  To experience a world you truly desire but either cannot have or usually deny yourself.

Along w/ this vicarious experience we shouldn't underestimate the basic human (and especially male here) need to inflate their own ego, to gain self esteem.  Hint:  We don't do this w/ honesty.

The huge majority of video porn out there is manufactured for and consumed by heterosexual males.

So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

Heterosexual men are not interested in looking at that.

I think the answer is that the watchers of porn imagine themselves as "That Guy"...the good looking guy w/ the washboard abs who's hung like a donkey... giving it to the female who desperately wants it and I can copulate a dozen times in one hour.  We live vicariously through the porn actor.  It's pure fantasy.

The fact is, most of the time humans live by lying to themselves about themselves...(except for that virgin birth thing and the eternity in heaven where the streets are paved w/ gold). 

I think when men see two women getting it on (other than the hot visual of two naked women) they see an incomplete picture.  Obviously these two women desperately want sex, but are missing something phallic and when I show up on the scene they will be overwhelmed w/ desire for me. 

If I'm wrong about this situation above and there are two women wanting me....I answer all PM's. 

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I find this conundrum to be particularly interesting and have often wondered about it myself. I'm not going to get into specifics here, but I have had relationships with women, and I always felt slightly unfulfilled, as if something was missing. I really couldn't have a steady relationship with a woman for that reason.

That being said, I have always been attracted to women in the sense that I liked looking at naked women--well, at least some of them. (I must confess to being extremely picky and that may be a result of being a stripper and seeing thousands of naked women.) This feeling goes back as far as I can remember--even into prepubescence. I obviously have no problem with homosexuality, but I also find myself turned off by gay male sex. Actually, I don't even like porn with male/female anal scenes. (An interesting side note is that I don't like to watch porn with no man involved--too boring.)

Anyway, I think that we're neglecting the influence that societal concepts of eroticism and the taboos that go along with it has. I think that female/female sexual activity is something that has been sexualized in a much more general sense than male/male.

I don't think that it serves any evolutionary purpose--not every human behavior can be broken down in that way. If it did, I think that the closest correlation that could be made would involve the male seeking to solve the females obvious sexual frustration if he happened upon such an event. (Once upon a time when there were no bedrooms at least.) You can also look at anthropological history and see that the one man/many women family arrangement was very common, and there's no way that guy's actually pleasing all of his 17 wives. Maybe they resorted to pleasing each other in lieu of that?

You could extend this same argument to masturbation in general. Masturbation is essentially a waste of resources, but it is used as a substitute for more productive sexual activity. Or oral sex. Even various species of monkey/ape perform oral sex on male and female partners. (I saw a chimp giving another chimp a blow job at a zoo once. It was weird.)

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I think that my point is that sexuality is an extremely complex matter that doesn't necessarily always have an evolutionary origin that makes much sense. Society plays a large role in what is considered erotic. You can look at cultures in which breasts are not erotic at all and men laugh at the idea that they would be. They are, after all, intended to feed babies and have little in common with a vagina. (I know some of you are going to give me the ass=tits theory, but I really feel that the development of breasts as an outward sign of reproductive readiness is more plausible.)

Whatever. I'm too busy thinking about sex to remember my point.

Although there is no set standard for sexual attractiveness (ie. being sexy has more to do with attitude than soley on physical appearances), there are nonetheless some biological universals. In all societies, a low waist-hip ratio, healthy breasts (not necessarily the mammoth porn star size) and facial symmetry are features which indicate female reproductive readiness. This would include the vast majority of women of reproductive age. And reproductive readiness correlates with sexual attraction. It is an unfortunate myth which is still perpetuated that sexual attraction is purely a social construct. All that sexy clothes and cosmetic surgery do is only enhance the basic sexually attractive features which the vast majority of women of reproductive age share.

In those particular cultures wherein breasts are not considered erotic, there would have to be other reproductive traits (eg. larger hips) which are.


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kellym78 wrote: You could

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You could extend this same argument to masturbation in general. Masturbation is essentially a waste of resources, but it is used as a substitute for more productive sexual activity.

I don't believe masturbation is a "waste of resources" its more like sexual maintenance. If sperm isn't ejaculated at intervals of two days it grows old but if its under two days its too young. Either way its not at its fighting best. Masturbation also helps all the systems associates with ejacualtion and erection wich become more effective in sperm delivery.


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Anyway, I think that we're neglecting the influence that societal concepts of eroticism and the taboos that go along with it has. I think that female/female sexual activity is something that has been sexualized in a much more general sense than male/male.

Hmmm... I notice in passing that two of our biggest cultural sperm donors (Sorry...couldn't resist the metaphor) are Western European and Mediterranean/North African. In other words, Christianity grew out of one world, and then took over the other, and we have lots of influence from both cultures.

In particular, I'm thinking of the way that women have often had more than platonic relations with each other in Europe for a long time. Victorianism, for all it's propriety, held onto this tradition. If you've never read women's correspondence from that time, you're in for a shock. Women regularly shared beds and spoke of soft caresses and warm hot embraces and such.

This fits in reasonably well with the patriarchal male centered inheritance structure we received from the fertile crescent. Since two women getting it on has rarely produced offspring, it wasn't something that received a lot of attention.

Now, for whatever reason, the Greek concept of love did not stick in early Christian civilization. Judaism had long since given up on the Greek ideal, and this carried over. The Christians rejected the concept of sexuality as an expression of love for human beauty, and replaced it with a more rigid concept focusing solely on reproduction, and denying pleasure to the participants. It was all about keeping the land in the family. I'm not prepared to report on the societal influences that occurred during the transition from Greek to Judaic tradition, but the result is clear enough. Gay love was punishable by death, and more than that, it symbolized evil itself.

So, long story short, our mythology has been anti-gay for a long time, but we didn't really go out of our way to villify lesbianism.

 

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Hambydammit wrote: Since

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Since two women getting it on has rarely produced offspring, it wasn't something that received a lot of attention.

You mean in rare situations it has produced offspring?  Holy crap!

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Interestingly, the script

Interestingly, the script writing for the same sex scenes in movies has produced more memorable quotes predominantly in the male-on-male category. There seems to be more talking whilst ramming one's member or fist into male ass.

Such examples:

"Squeal like a pig, boy!"

"Ahh. Proculus, I see you are a virgin as well. In the name of the senate and people of Rome..."

"No more beans."

The entire script of 'The Birdcage'

 

Whereas lesbian movies or movies with lesbian scenes in them have not produced very many memorable quotes.

Clair de la lune - Mix of bull-dykes and lipsticks. Nothing. Great softcore.

Wild things - Duh. Neve Campbell+Denise Richards. No quotes. Great softcore.

 

Let alone the almost plot intrinsic component of lesbian couples wanting to have a child by in vitro.

 

Personally, I like the amateur stuff on y o u p o r n  especially the lesbian scenes. Cuts right to the good part and gives a link so you can e-mail the partner to plan for a 'nooner' or something.

 

 

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I think its partially because men consider women beautiful, and how they look when they are having sex is also beautiful. Thats one of the reasons probally.

I realize porn is in no way reality btw. Eye-wink

Also, I have heard that both straight and lesbian women are some of the biggest renters of gay porn, bdsm esp. I find that odd personally, but hey, to each their own. 

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So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

I don't agree with that at all. Actually, one of my biggest issues with porn is that the men aren't good looking enough and in real life could not get laid by the girl they're banging on screen. I hate shots that focus on the man's face or body usually--I just want the cock shots, k thx. And any movie or scene without the money shot just sucks, and not in a good way, either. (I shouldn't be telling you people this stuff. LOLZ!)


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Although there is no set standard for sexual attractiveness (ie. being sexy has more to do with attitude than soley on physical appearances), there are nonetheless some biological universals. In all societies, a low waist-hip ratio, healthy breasts (not necessarily the mammoth porn star size) and facial symmetry are features which indicate female reproductive readiness. This would include the vast majority of women of reproductive age. And reproductive readiness correlates with sexual attraction. It is an unfortunate myth which is still perpetuated that sexual attraction is purely a social construct. All that sexy clothes and cosmetic surgery do is only enhance the basic sexually attractive features which the vast majority of women of reproductive age share.

In those particular cultures wherein breasts are not considered erotic, there would have to be other reproductive traits (eg. larger hips) which are.

I didn't say it was a purely social construct, but rather that social constructs feed off of evolutionary origins, even if they differ. Part of that includes body parts that are hidden, and therefore desirable, in your culture. So, cultures where women walk around topless are less inclined to find breasts sexual because they aren't forbidden in the sense that they are here. Those men tend to find thighs sexy because women always cover everything above the knee. 

I agree with you in general, but what is wrong with porn-star sized breasts? Sticking out tongue

 


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I don't believe masturbation is a "waste of resources" its more like sexual maintenance. If sperm isn't ejaculated at intervals of two days it grows old but if its under two days its too young. Either way its not at its fighting best. Masturbation also helps all the systems associates with ejacualtion and erection wich become more effective in sperm delivery.

Ideally, though, your sexual maintenance would occur during actual sex. Not masturbation. I'm not knocking it--I happen to be a fan--but I'm just making the point that it isn't evolutionarily advantageous. 


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So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

Ron Jeremy?  Uggh. 


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Why guys like lesbian sex

Why guys like lesbian sex is pretty simple.

Women = hot

Sex = hot

Women+Sex=Superhot.

I agree that masturbation is sexual maintenance. I agree with Kelly that ideally this would occur during sex. But some of us are just simply single - I haven't been in a long term relationship for 2 years. *Sigh* Well there goes my self-esteem.


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So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

Ron Jeremy? Uggh.

Actually Ron was not a bad looking guy ( with or without reference to his "tool" ) in his younger days. 

Mother Nature is cruel.  Ageing is a destructive process and getting older rarely makes a person look more attractive as time passes ( plastic surgery anyone ? )

As far as ideal female beauty is concerned in relation to porn I'm really extremely flexible.  I can be aroused by thin, petite bodies all the way up chubby / fat body types. 

Even in my real-world relationships with the opposite sex I have had very satisfying sexual experiences with women who in no way could claim to be examples of classic beauty.....nevertheless ( smiles .)

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Ideally, though, your sexual maintenance would occur during actual sex. Not masturbation. I'm not knocking it--I happen to be a fan--but I'm just making the point that it isn't evolutionarily advantageous.

As a young boy going through puberty I didn't have too many converations with my wiener about evolutionary advantages....I just had to answer the call of my hormones or else walk around with a very obvious un-met need ! Wink

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shelleymtjoy wrote:
AmericanIdle wrote:

So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

Ron Jeremy? Uggh.

Actually Ron was not a bad looking guy ( with or without reference to his "tool" ) in his younger days.

Mother Nature is cruel. Ageing is a destructive process and getting older rarely makes a person look more attractive as time passes ( plastic surgery anyone ? )

 Maybe, but he didn't just 'age' he *totally* let himself go... Age and plastic surgery aside, I appreciate the aesthetic quality of people who are at least mildly interested in taking care of themselves.


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Actually Ron was not a bad looking guy ( with or without reference to his "tool" ) in his younger days.

Huh !

What ?

*blinks*

Ok if not looking bad to you means : not looking like a baboons ass then you are right, Ron Jeremy is not bad looking. But he was born with that face (mustache included). Even in the 70's he was amazingly ugly but don't get me wrong, next party I throw at my place, he'll be the first one invited.

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Actually Ron was not a bad looking guy ( with or without reference to his "tool" ) in his younger days.

Huh !

What ?

*blinks*

Ok if not looking bad to you means : not looking like a baboons ass then you are right, Ron Jeremy is not bad looking. But he was born with that face (mustache included). Even in the 70's he was amazingly ugly but don't get me wrong, next party I throw at my place, he'll be the first one invited.

I personally would not choose to look like Ron ( if such choices were possible ) but he must have appeal to at least some demographic, right ? You know, women who like hairy Jewish men ?

This has nothing to do with the porn aspect of this thread but I admire the looks of Hugh Jackman or the blond headed guy that portrays the newest James Bond. Rugged looking dudes that aren't pretty-boys...but, alas I wasn't blessed with those good genes ( sniff sniff, wipes away tear )

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I personally would not choose to look like Ron ( if such choices were possible ) but he must have appeal to at least some demographic, right ? You know, women who like hairy Jewish men ?

Even if Ron wouldn't appeal to any women at all, I'm sure there are a lot of good looking guys that would like to be in his shoes still. 

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Maybe, but he didn't just 'age' he *totally* let himself go... Age and plastic surgery aside, I appreciate the aesthetic quality of people who are at least mildly interested in taking care of themselves.

Yes, Ron really just detiorated.

IMO Gene Simmons is gross too but look at all the booty he supposedly claimed. I can't figure it out.

Edit: sorry, if I've steered this thread off topic ( too much caffeine )

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I personally would not choose to look like Ron ( if such choices were possible ) but he must have appeal to at least some demographic, right ? You know, women who like hairy Jewish men ?

I guess... If you're into insane stamina without little blue pills or a guy sucking his own dick. However I heard he got too chubby for that trick.


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So why are 95% of the male porn actors in hetero films:

- Attractive

- Well Built

- Well Endowed.

Ron Jeremy?  Uggh. 

He may be in contrast to the 1st two characteristics but not the 3rd.  He's merely an exception to the rule.  An attempt to give the porn consumer an "everyman" to relate to maybe.

I still say that the huge majority of male porn actors look like someone that Ted Haggard would give his credit card # to.

And now, how dare you blight such a glorious topic as beautiful lesbian lovemaking w/ the name and now the vision of Ron Jeremy ! 

Dang it Shelley !

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And now, how dare you blight such a glorious topic as beautiful lesbian lovemaking w/ the name and now the vision of Ron Jeremy !

Dang it Shelley !

Maybe GDIO can dig me out of the grave here with another NSFW link(?)... those were awesome. 


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Although there is no set standard for sexual attractiveness (ie. being sexy has more to do with attitude than soley on physical appearances), there are nonetheless some biological universals. In all societies, a low waist-hip ratio, healthy breasts (not necessarily the mammoth porn star size) and facial symmetry are features which indicate female reproductive readiness. This would include the vast majority of women of reproductive age. And reproductive readiness correlates with sexual attraction. It is an unfortunate myth which is still perpetuated that sexual attraction is purely a social construct. All that sexy clothes and cosmetic surgery do is only enhance the basic sexually attractive features which the vast majority of women of reproductive age share.

In those particular cultures wherein breasts are not considered erotic, there would have to be other reproductive traits (eg. larger hips) which are.

I didn't say it was a purely social construct, but rather that social constructs feed off of evolutionary origins, even if they differ. Part of that includes body parts that are hidden, and therefore desirable, in your culture. So, cultures where women walk around topless are less inclined to find breasts sexual because they aren't forbidden in the sense that they are here. Those men tend to find thighs sexy because women always cover everything above the knee. 

I agree with you in general, but what is wrong with porn-star sized breasts? Sticking out tongue

 

My sincere apologies to all mammoth porn-star breasted women. If I had in any way offended you by not including you in the milieu of women of reproductive fitness and sexual attraction, I am deeply sorry. I can see how hurt you all must feel. Mere words will not suffice. I think long hugs (and I mean loooong hugs) and kisses with me are in order at my place.  And of course feel free to sponge bathe in my hot tub. Who says atheists aren't compassionate.

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And now, how dare you blight such a glorious topic as beautiful lesbian lovemaking w/ the name and now the vision of Ron Jeremy !

Dang it Shelley !

Maybe GDIO can dig me out of the grave here with another NSFW link(?)... those were awesome.

How can I say no to that ? lol

Here you go ! 

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And any movie or scene without the money shot just sucks, and not in a good way, either. (I shouldn't be telling you people this stuff. LOLZ!)

At the risk of pulling this a bit off topic, this brings a question to mind, and I truly don't have any idea what the answer might be.

"Money shot" has two connotations, and I don't think there's ever been a clear distinction. When I hear money shot, I think of a girl's face covered in sperm. I've always heard "cum shot" for anyplace else, and "cream pie" for internal. However, I think some people think of money shot as pretty much any ejaculation. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not in the porn business.

Anyway, that's the terminology I'm going to use, because I need to be able to differentiate to ask the question.

So, for me, I find the money shot to be mostly unappealing. It seems to me to be mostly a power play. It just doesn't seem like that would be appealing or pleasurable to the woman. I mean, damn... sperm in the eye... ick. So, jollies for the man, and a less than thrilling climax for the woman.

Now, I've known a lot of women who get into men ejaculating on them, but not in the face -- what I call cum shots. I also agree with Kelly that porn just isn't as good without um... evidence that it was good. Also, there seem to be a lot of creampie videos out these days. I confess there's nothing particularly appealing to me about watching a woman squeeze jizz out... but, there's something pretty cool about the orgasm being more like real person sex.

Anyway, having given out entirely too much information about my own porn preferences, here's what I'd like to know, from both men and women.

1) Do you like to see money shots (facial)?

2) Do you like to see cum shots (non-facial)?

3) Do you like to see creampies (internal)?

4) If you answer yes to more than one, which is the most appealing to you?

Of course, all of this is in the name of science. Actually, it kind of is... if you haven't read my piece on Myth, Culture, and Sexuality, pop over to the RRS Authors section and have a look. I'll warn you, it's not nearly as interesting as porn.

 

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