Olbermann: the beginning of the end of America

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Olbermann: the beginning of the end of America

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Hey Randal to make your new

Hey Randal to make your new html status work you have to click "Input Format" and then choose "full html."

I fixed this one for ya.

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Sapient wrote:Hey Randal to

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Hey Randal to make your new html status work you have to click "Input Format" and then choose "full html."

I fixed this one for ya.


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Sapient, I tried to do that

Sapient,
I tried to do that but it wouldn't work no matter what I tried, but thanks for fixing it for me.

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O'Reilly interviews George

O'Reilly interviews George W. Bush about the Millitary Commissions Act of 2006.
On FOX.

Oh, man.

O'Reilly: "Your administration has been accused of being fascist..."

Bush: *laughs*

O'Reilly: "...violating human rights, ignoring the Geneva convention, and it's been a fierce campaign against this policy. Why has it been so fierce?"

Bush: "I don't know. That's what...uh....observers of our society like yourself cannot figure out."

He... doesn't know? To at least address what the public fears would be nice. Doesn't know? O'Reilly brings up Hillary Clinton's fears regarding picking up people off the street and holding them indefinately without legal counsel. Bush feigns confusion and says, "The enemy off the street?"

O'Reilly: "She says 'people'."

Bush: "Well, I don't know what people she's talking about. We want to get people who are going to kill Americans."

Bush: "I have no idea who she's talking about."

This kind of scares me. To fail to address the point completely? What amounts to a "We only catch bad guys" statement......

Just, wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6ayi-iOEA


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Olbermann rules.

Olbermann rules.


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Bush is our modern day

Bush is our modern day hitler.

(When hitler firebombed his own building he set up Reich security or HOMELAND SECURITY), sounds familiar?

:: it should :: Raised Brow

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Bush is our

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Bush is our modern day hitler.

(When hitler firebombed his own building he set up Reich security or HOMELAND SECURITY), sounds familiar?

:: it should :: Raised Brow

At least we have finally found some common ground. Smiling

I don't subscribe to the notion that Bush was involved in a 9/11 conspiracy. He did take advantage of the situation, however.

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Didn't we already have one:

Didn't we already have one: the errancy of the bible.


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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Bush is our

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Bush is our modern day hitler.

(When hitler firebombed his own building he set up Reich security or HOMELAND SECURITY), sounds familiar?

:: it should :: Raised Brow

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Didn't we

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Didn't we already have one: the errancy of the bible.

Your right, we had that too.

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Bush and his policies are

Bush and his policies are nothing new, i already new this stuff would happen right after september 11, they would exploit sept 11 to do what they want and keep power, just as the Zionists exploit the holocost to commit attrocious crimes in Israel and the occupied territories of the Gaza and West Bank.

Yo man did you ever see the power of nightmares?

Its a long documentary by bbc about terror and dirty politics.

its very interesting (and not one of those micheal moore films.)

if you didn't see it you should check it out:

Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517&q=power+of+nightmares

Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7930933565201168&q=power+of+nightmares

Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240&q=power+of+nightmares

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Did you mean this?

Did you mean this?

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yea that's the one. but how

yea that's the one. but how do you embedd the video like that, i tried to take the embeded filename and post it but it didnt work.

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You have to be give access

You have to be give access by the Rationalresponder Gods to do an embedded code.

Having a relogious conservative party in control of the government and keeping its grip by using fear is what inspired the movie "V is for Vendetta"

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Randalllord wrote: Having a

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Having a relogious conservative party in control of the government and keeping its grip by using fear is what inspired the movie "V is for Vendetta"

Brave and awesome movie. Better comic, but they did a great job making it into a movie.
Awesome stuff. Very powerful.


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Here's my favorite clip from

Here's my favorite clip from the movie:

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Randalllord wrote: Having a

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Having a relogious conservative party in control of the government and keeping its grip by using fear is what inspired the movie "V is for Vendetta"

Vendetta will be similar to the future of America if neo-conservatives stay in power. Especially if they win the majority in both houses of congress during November 11 elections.

Who you think will win the majority and why?

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Randalllord

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Having a relogious conservative party in control of the government and keeping its grip by using fear is what inspired the movie "V is for Vendetta"

Vendetta will be similar to the future of America if neo-conservatives stay in power. Especially if they win the majority in both houses of congress during November 11 elections.

Who you think will win the majority and why?

Um, I wanted to ask, what is your view on a country ruled by sharia law? What is your ideal idea of the world? Is it an Islam based theocracy? Just curious.


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GlamourKat wrote:Um, I

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Um, I wanted to ask, what is your view on a country ruled by sharia law?.

Every country has the right to establish whatever government they want. The will of the people superseeds the will of the government.

If the people of a country want to be ruled by shari'a law, then that is their right. I believe that Muslim countries which the majority of the people want to be ruled by shari'a law have the right to do so.

However you must bear in mind that many countries these days are very bias and racist, for example:

shari'a law they only enforce punishment on non-saudis.

When a non-saudi is caught selling drugs they execute him, when a saudi prince is caught with a jumbo jet full of drugs for sale they do nothing to him.

Double standards are not permitted in Islam.

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What is your ideal idea of the world? Is it an Islam based theocracy? Just curious

My ideal idea of the world is that the people adopt whatever government they want, democracy or socialism or sharia should not be brought by enforcement by other countries or foriegners.

The people themselves should enforce whatever they want. According to Islam, God created man with free will. you are free to do as you wish or establish the government you wish, as long as you don't force or impose that on other nations.

Shari'a is a type of theocracy, but it does not violate the freedom of others to practice their faith. Shari'a is the law of the caliphate, (caliphate is the religious scholar who rules the lands of shari'a law).

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:

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Vendetta will be similar to the future of America if neo-conservatives stay in power. Especially if they win the majority in both houses of congress during November 11 elections.

Who you think will win the majority and why?

Here's my advice:

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hhahaa what a coincidence im

hhahaa what a coincidence im watchin this right now Laughing out loud


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ALMALHAMAH wrote: My ideal

ALMALHAMAH wrote:

My ideal idea of the world is that the people adopt whatever government they want, democracy or socialism or sharia should not be brought by enforcement by other countries or foriegners.

The people themselves should enforce whatever they want. According to Islam, God created man with free will. you are free to do as you wish or establish the government you wish, as long as you don't force or impose that on other nations.

Ok, hypothetical question.
Say my country becomes an Islam nation. Say 51% of the people demand it? Or more, even 99.9%. I am in that .1% that denies it.

If I choose to walk around in public in scanty clothing and the muslim populace demanded me to be lashed, is that right?
If I chose to swear, or blaspheme, do I deserve to be lashed?
If I chose to have premarital sex do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?
If I got raped do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?

Say none of this stuff happens. Say, I just speak out against the theocracy.

Would you "merely" tell me to leave? Deport me from my home country? Is this right? Is this moral to you?


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GlamourKat wrote:Ok,

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Ok, hypothetical question.
Say my country becomes an Islam nation. Say 51% of the people demand it? Or more, even 99.9%. I am in that .1% that denies it.

If I choose to walk around in public in scanty clothing and the muslim populace demanded me to be lashed, is that right?

No, you should read the shari'a law and understand it, not what the misinformed tell you.

women are free to dress as they like, but if she is muslim it is required for her to wear hijab (or covering). If she doesn't you cannot punish her, you nor the government are God, if she doesn't wear it she is disobeying God, hence it is between them two. No other has the right to FORCE her to wear it or threaten her. Again this contradicts the notion of free will, this is why we were created with free will, in order to choose right from wrong.

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If I chose to swear, or blaspheme, do I deserve to be lashed?

No, but thats exactly what Fox news wants you to believe.

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If I chose to have premarital sex do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?

Islam lays a strong emphasis on modesty and chastity, but there is a lot of misunderstanding on this subject.

First in shari'a any MAN OR WOMAN who ADMITS TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT to a court to having nonmarital sexual intercourse will be whipped/lashed 100 times

for extramarital sexual intercourse the guilty would be stoned to death.

Bear in mind the court should be fair and according to the sharia law, one can only be found guilty of these actions if:

(a) The accused admits to his own actions (possibly out of repentance)

(b) He/She is found guilty by four seperate witnesses that have seen directly (the penis in the vagina).
If less than four are accused or they bear false witness, they will be the ones whipped (accusing men/women falsly of fornication is taken very seriously and dealt with strictly in Islam)

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If I got raped do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?

No where in Quran/hadith/Sharia does it say women who got raped are burned, that is probably something similar to the bible (Genesis 38).

How does it make sense for the victum to be persecuted or executed, this makes no sense and is completly against Islam.

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Say none of this stuff happens. Say, I just speak out against the theocracy.

Would you "merely" tell me to leave? Deport me from my home country? Is this right? Is this moral to you?

No, you can stay or leave its up to you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Wouldn't you agree?

The Future of the World and the United States can be summed up in one verse:

Quran 61:9
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ALMALHAMAH wrote:

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Ok, hypothetical question.
Say my country becomes an Islam nation. Say 51% of the people demand it? Or more, even 99.9%. I am in that .1% that denies it.

If I choose to walk around in public in scanty clothing and the muslim populace demanded me to be lashed, is that right?

No, you should read the shari'a law and understand it, not what the misinformed tell you.

women are free to dress as they like, but if she is muslim it is required for her to wear hijab (or covering). If she doesn't you cannot punish her, you nor the government are God, if she doesn't wear it she is disobeying God, hence it is between them two. No other has the right to FORCE her to wear it or threaten her. Again this contradicts the notion of free will, this is why we were created with free will, in order to choose right from wrong.

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If I chose to swear, or blaspheme, do I deserve to be lashed?

No, but thats exactly what Fox news wants you to believe.

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If I chose to have premarital sex do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?

Islam lays a strong emphasis on modesty and chastity, but there is a lot of misunderstanding on this subject.

First in shari'a any MAN OR WOMAN who ADMITS TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT to a court to having nonmarital sexual intercourse will be whipped/lashed 100 times

for extramarital sexual intercourse the guilty would be stoned to death.

Bear in mind the court should be fair and according to the sharia law, one can only be found guilty of these actions if:

(a) The accused admits to his own actions (possibly out of repentance)

(b) He/She is found guilty by four seperate witnesses that have seen directly (the penis in the vagina).
If less than four are accused or they bear false witness, they will be the ones whipped (accusing men/women falsly of fornication is taken very seriously and dealt with strictly in Islam)

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If I got raped do I deserve to be stoned to death or burned?

No where in Quran/hadith/Sharia does it say women who got raped are burned, that is probably something similar to the bible (Genesis 38).

How does it make sense for the victum to be persecuted or executed, this makes no sense and is completly against Islam.

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Say none of this stuff happens. Say, I just speak out against the theocracy.

Would you "merely" tell me to leave? Deport me from my home country? Is this right? Is this moral to you?

No, you can stay or leave its up to you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Wouldn't you agree?

I have premarital sex. A lot. Fuck any laws that try to legislate my vagina.
You agree with deportation for your beliefs? So it would be ok with you if America banned Islam? And you had the choice to stop being muslim or leave? Wouln't you be pissed off?


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GlamourKat wrote:I have

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I have premarital sex. A lot. Fuck any laws that try to legislate my vagina.
You agree with deportation for your beliefs? So it would be ok with you if America banned Islam? And you had the choice to stop being muslim or leave? Wouln't you be pissed off?

its your body do what you want.

no i never agree to forcefully deport people based on their beliefs, if america banned islam (only a matter of time) then im going to live in another country.

I would be pissed of coarse.

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Bush is our

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Bush is our modern day hitler.

(When hitler firebombed his own building he set up Reich security or HOMELAND SECURITY), sounds familiar?

:: it should :: Raised Brow

Ding ding ding, Godwin's Rule has been invoked.

Stop it with the dishonest comparisons to Hitler already, dammit. I can't believe how many of you "freethinkers" condone this sort of thing.

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Stop it with the dishonest comparisons to Hitler already, dammit. I can't believe how many of you "freethinkers" condone this sort of thing.

call me crazy, but i dont think free thinkers are supposed to "stop it"

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ALMALHAMAH wrote:Insidium

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Stop it with the dishonest comparisons to Hitler already, dammit. I can't believe how many of you "freethinkers" condone this sort of thing.

call me crazy, but i dont think free thinkers are supposed to "stop it"

See bolded sections.

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It is not a dishonest

It is not a dishonest comparison first of all.

World domination is on both of these guy's agenda.

One for capitalism, the other for Nazism.

they both established homeland security.

they both took the rights of the people in order to assure them safetey.

they both carried out wars of conquest, both for different strategic agendas.

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It is a clouded and

It is a clouded and completely useless analogy for several reasons: 1. the United States now is not Nazi Germany in the 20s/30s. 2. Hitler is a historical figure who is completely despised in the western world, so any analogy to him is bound to be emotionally charged and possessed by far too many connotations. 3. Your analogy is laughably vague (see below) and not very accurate. 4. Why must there be a next Hitler? Is it necessary to always have a "today's" Hitler, Stalin, Mao in order to make sense of the world?

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World domination is on both of these guy's agenda.

Oh really? Nazi Germany wanted world domination: a unified empire of Aryan might. President Bush, at most, wanted to set up a bastion of US power in the Middle East or two, but failed quite miserably.

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One for capitalism, the other for Nazism.

Contemptably naive. How can you fight a war for capitalism? Capitalism is not an cultlike transformative ideology; it is a method of market mechanics. Wars are fought when it seems favorable to do so. Bush probably realizes the gain of maintaining a solid military presense in the Middle East, but his plan sucked.

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they both established homeland security.

Badoom-chsh. First of all, homeland security is a good thing, and most leaders seek to enhance it when possible, since it is usually favorable. Second, comparing the Gestapo, and the annihilation of "undermen" (based on a poor understanding of genetics, as well!) to what we have now (at worst, a few "examples," some of whom I'm sure will be guilty regardless) is fallacious.

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they both took the rights of the people in order to assure them safetey.

Have Jews recently lost the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? No. Plus, Hitler did not want to assure German safety; he tried to purity his nation.

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they both carried out wars of conquest, both for different strategic agendas.

So has every nation in history.

Whoop-tee-fucking-doo, your analogy is terrible and emotionally charged. Abandon it if you are not a blind dogmatist.

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