A simple, almost self-evident proof that I've never seen before
Hi again everyone,
Last time I posted, I posted about how I didn't believe that Christians really do have a "moral standard" as they claim. It was basically an argument for the problem of suffering/pain, in that they cannot seem to get over it and still have an omni-benevolent god. In any case, I realized that Christians (and probably other religions, I just don't know them as well as Christianity) not only don't have a moral standard as they claim, but they have one that is completely independent of the bible, or that it is an irrational, circular religion from the get-go. Let me know what you think!
Suppose Christians really do get their morals straight from the bible.
Due to the circularity of it, Christians cannot determine if the bible's morality is good or bad. For example, if you ask them to determine if it is a good thing that the bible says not to kill anyone, they shouldn't be able to respond to that rationally. Basically, they have to use some standard outside of the bible to judge the bible.
If they judge the bible, they're using a standard that is not part of the bible, unless they're being irrational (because of the circularity). If they're being irrational, we need not pay attention to them. This is not a contradiction, but it invalidates any arguments they can make. If they're really judging it, then they don't get their morals from the bible. This IS a contradiction, so the supposition is false.
The only thing I can see that they will use to try to throw a wrench into this argument is if they say that god instilled them with innate morals, and simply use the bible as a guide to understanding those morals. Aside from the fact that the bible disagrees with this, we can still see that unless their morals line up perfectly with the bible, then they didn't get their morals from god, unless he decided the bible was out of date and thought putting different morals into a person would make them go and change it.
Just for knowledge's sake, the bible doesn't agree with the above because it was evident that if morality exists as "Good is what god says to do, bad is what god says not to do", then Adam and Eve did not have morals to begin with, and as such there's no reason to suppose that we are born with morals in the same way either.
This proof was inspired by George H. Smith's Atheism: A Case Against God. I suggest everyone read it, especially Christians.
"Jesus -- the other white Moses" - Me.