Kent's in jail so Eric takes over
Online (Hope this is the correct forum.)
Apparently, Kent Hovind's son has picked up his daddy's torch and is spreading YouTube propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUpx19JjWk
Where's that puking emoticon when you need it?
You gotta admit, he's pretty slick in this promo. No doubt he'll be raking in the tax-free dough just like his daddy. Maybe we should warn the IRS.
I think this illustrates why the Rational Response Squad is needed, and highlights the importance of rhetoric, and that we need to develop counter-rhetoric strategies.
Q: "Isn't it a miracle that the universe/life/consciousness/myself exists?"
A: "No."
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For any person P, question Q, and concept X
If the asking of Q depends on the existence of X, and P asks Q
Then X exists, and P should not be surprised of that
A few quick comments on his video
1) The fact that a claim has been researched for 30 years is NOT impressive.... what matters is whether the claim is based on the best, most updated info, and this is clearly not the case for creationist claims...
2) Why is an 'astronaut' voice being used to read Genesis?!
3) Why does Hovind still use the taxpayer complaint when his father went to jail for not paying taxes.
4) I see the old 'evolution = racism' card is still being played, I always found that one hell of an ironic complaint from a fundy who accepts the "ham' story as literal.
5) Why is a klansman shown, when klansmen are christians who tend to reject science too?
6) He's still giving the 'evolution is random' lie, and conflating evolution with a worldview.
7) He cites the bible as stating that man is 'wonderful' but leaves out that the same book holds that man is worthless, worthy only of eternal torture and unable to save himself.
8) The rest is just his continued inability to realize that evolution is a science and not a philosophy of life, it can't answer what it was never designed to answer.... meanwhile, his version of 'christianity' as an 'answer' is nothing more than an appeal to vanity...
and so on, and I didn't even watch the second half....
Those who know the good, do the good. - Socrates
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So does being a son of a tax cheat somehow make him a science expert? Here I was wasting my time in grad school while I could have just skipped on paying my taxes and I would have been just as qualified.
Vote McCain, he brought back Czechoslovakia and will veto beer. The Real McCain
According to the website: http://www.drdino.com/itinerary.php?id=346#entry346
which lists the itinerary for Eric Hovind, he has only 4 appearances listed over the next year. I checked the location of these churches on Google Earth and apparently only the church in Denison TX is the only large church on the list. The others are fairly small. Not much of an impact for an entire year.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca
To answer your #2 question, Todangst:
I can't say for certain, but I suppose that it's because astronauts can serve as a sort of symbol for scientific advancement, and the moon landing was a landmark in our history. I chalk it up to a feeble attempt to make his creation introduction sound more like science and/or real history.
I would have prefered a Darth Vader voice myself. If there really was a God, I would hope that's what he sounded like.
"When did I realize I was God? Well, one day I was praying and I realized I was talking to myself."
He's not the son of an ordinary tax cheat.
This tax cheat taught high school science for 15 years.
<do I really have to tell you that I'm trying to be a smartass?>
The astronauts of Apollo 8 (who where the first to travel to, but not land on, the moon) read Genesis 1 during a broadcast back to earth.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” -- George Orwell
Actually, that imples way more credit than he deserves. He had no credentials to teach high school anything. He had a degree from a non-acredited college in religious eduacation.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
I suspect the reason NASA had the astronaut read from the Bible was to garner more support for the average American for the space program. NASA gets its funding from congress and needs the average citizen perstering their congressman to support it. During the cold war many Americans became alarmed when the USSR bagan a space race and many Americans understood the danger of "being left behind". Congress began financial support of many science projects to catch up, but religious people were not very happy about this.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca
what a classic ^^
"evolution says we came from a hot soup, creationism says we're designed by a devine creator. the latter makes me feel better, therefore it's true"
now that's creation science, little kent?
"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts."
Billy Joel, 1993
And God spoke: You can stand under my umberella -ella -ella -eh -eh -eh ...
I find it particuaraly humorous when Kent Hovind makes fun of evolutionists when he says that they teach that your ancestors arose from a rock, yet he believes that God breathed on some dust (finely ground rock) and man arose.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca
We don't even know if we actually came from eroded rocks or rocks or dust, however we do know we are one of the results after life began on this planet. However we came about.....evolution is a fact, you don't have to like, you don't even have to believe in it, but it is a fact, and nature doesn't care if you like it or believe in it.
I imagine he's just getting started. The promo is less than a week old.
Q: "Isn't it a miracle that the universe/life/consciousness/myself exists?"
A: "No."
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For any person P, question Q, and concept X
If the asking of Q depends on the existence of X, and P asks Q
Then X exists, and P should not be surprised of that
Bloody preachers with their blinding teeth and bad tans. What's so galling isn't as much that they're spreading lies, but that they reinforce an attitude that critical thinking comes down to deciding who to believe. Step by step logic is hard work, but it's better than being that goofball that sends everybody e-mail forwards (you know one of them, I'm sure) about Bill Gates giving you $100.
John the baptist never told you what happened to your father.
He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
No, Jesus... I AM your father.
NOOOOOoooooo!!!!!
Those who know the good, do the good. - Socrates
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Todangst, that was seriously one of the funniest things I have ever read on these forums.....
That post wins the thread.
Notice at the beginning how he says that the debate between "Intelligent-Design" and Evolution are heating up? I think that if we stop debating them, then we may be able to gain more ground. All we are doing is giving them room to think that their "theory" is just as good as ours. We should start teaching the facts about Evolution and simply just check off creation "science" as a load of crap.
mod edit - double post
mod edit - triple post
Doesn't that just crank up their propaganda machine?
"The evolutionists are afraid to debate us because they know we have the truth" or some such garbage?
Friends,
I am normally a consumer of these dialogues, but could not let this idea pass without a response. Deli has a very good idea, not about stopping the debates, but about presenting the facts. I think if we concentrate on rock-solid facts and present them effectively it would tear down their position. Be aware to stay away from the fossil record though, they can rip us a new one on that point. How about enlisting some others in your board (I view myself as a normally silent outsider) to develop an outline of facts. Stay away from the emotional - appeal to the intellect - present truthfully. Any takers?
BTW, that video does look good.
I know this may be hard to believe, but I actually used to know Eric Hovind. Weird-o-rama.
they have now posted this, apparently in ersponse to "operation spreadeagle"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPer-FjPJJE
I noticed that the above video has this message: "Adding comments has been disabled for this video."
What a bunch of weannies.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca
In the short term yes. If you ignore a child, he will throw a tantrum in order to restore the status quo.
But continue to ignore and the behavior will be extinguished.
I agree with Deli, their main goal is to get a debate, period. As with the line from the old Wargames movie, the only way to win (for atheists) is not to play.
Because you can refute them over and over, as long as they are ignorant they won't posses the ability to know they've been refuted....
Those who know the good, do the good. - Socrates
: Operation Spread Eagle, Kent Hovind, Creation Science, Evangelism Ministries, Eric Hovind, Jo Hovind, Liar, Evolution, Copyright, Fraud, Youtube, Fair Use La
Refute them? With what? You're all acting like bunch of school girls! I've seen the load of crap that you've dumped on youtube. Do you children think that vulgar name calling will replace scholarship? Well, maybe when you ninnies finally grow up and take the reigns. You claim that because they posted a 15 second text message that they are 'responding to operation spreadeagle'. Either they are grossly uninterested in what you are doing, or, they are the ones holding your strings. Not one thoughtful response to my first post - what a shame. It would have been their gain if you 'homo non sapiens' were arguing for evolution in Kansas. Get off your thumbs and engage them with facts. You make it look as though the facts are all you lack. Speaking of censorship watch how fast this message disappears.
Hovind often whined how he couldn't find any evolutionists to debate him. Therefore it's only consistent that a Hovind would censor videos and prohibit comments. Alas, we already knew fundies were liars and hypocrites so I'd be teaching to the class if I just went further.
Vote McCain, he brought back Czechoslovakia and will veto beer. The Real McCain
Also of course its a well know fact that there was no racism in the world prior to Darwin. At that slavery stuff wot happened in America is just propoganda put around by an evil group of Godless atheists who re-wrote history.
Stay away from the fossil record? Are you kidding me? No creationist has ANY point EVER. Especially the regarding the fossil record. Want to stump them? Ask why there aren't bones of dinosaurs next to humans. When they tell you that the flood did it... they'll have to show evidence that that actually happened. The flood is a wonderful place to back a creationist against the wall with.
Oh, don't your panties in a knot and quit the ad homs. See, your post is still here, so stop acting like the RRS censors everything.
What about creationism is scholarly? It's all biblically based!
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Can we get this soul a theist band please? It appears to have taken that perspective.
"Tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven." -Lucifer