Ladies and gentlemen, our new friend Guy is a "Calvinist" and engages in conversations with snarky, anthropomorphic stuffed tigers.  Cut him some slack!

(Sorry Guy, couldn't resist slipping in a Calvin & Hobbes jab there)

:^)

-HCG

He is probably in the bathroom.  Honestly, Brian37, you and a few others on this site are like theist colon cleanse medicine. 

 Sorry, I don't have anything more enlightening to add, but I think you and the others have covered it pretty well.

 I do not preach here, this is not the venue for it, this venue to me is one of fellowship.

I did, and I repented, keep reading, and check my past posts where I admitted my showing of "Bad Fruits" before he presented it to me.

But I have yet to see his apology for violaing my copyright, but then again, I am answering posts in order. I will see as I continue down the list. 

Why are xtians allowed to go around and preach and impose their beliefs?

Can't you people just respect the rest of us enough to maybe try not do this all the gently caressing time??

Throughout this whole thread you impose your beliefs on me.  I have proof!  (I am after all a freethinker)

You impose your beliefs on everyone here!

You keep doing it!  Almost every post!

Stop it damn it!

Stop making me post!

Don't get me all riled up by lying.  You are preaching.  You are imposing.  And that is the only reason why you are here.  You don't care about my philosopy or the practise of it.

It is you that has the double standard.  It is you that keeps misleadings and implying.  It is you that keeps preaching.

Why do xtians do this?  You guys do it all the gently caressing time! And then DENY doing it! 

Glad to hear you say that. But I your answer sounds more like "THERE I SAID IT, HAPPY NOW!"

Your post comes across just like white people objecting to Tigar Woods playing golf, "OK, BLACKS CAN PLAY GOLF, HAPPPY NOW? WHATS NEXT?"

I am not saying that is your intent, but it certainly comes across as an angrey consession rather than a mutial concusion of the rights of all humans. 

Nice start, but hopefully you'll really mean it someday insted of merely avoiding sounding like the bad guy.

Look, I dont want anything but neutrality for our goverment and it's courts and symbols. I dont want an atom symbol on our flag or money. I dont want to rid America of its diversity. I do want people to consider those outside their religious labels as demanded in our Constitution "No Religious Test".

 So although I am glad to hear you say that, I do wonder if you really mean it.

Read what I posted on that, and do the research!

LOL, PWNED!! 

Then I will post the link here upon its completion. And no, there will be no editing of the original post. The post will stand to show myself, and others the error that I made.

Nice to know that you have no respect for the works of other authors, and could not find it in your benevolence of trying to help poor misguided Christians like myself by being an example, and asking first about retransmitting my works.

I did read it(PWNED), I did the research(PWNED).

I still think you are faulty in your thinking it is copyright infringement. 

Tho interestingly enough, and if you have posted this elsewhere feel free to link me, why are you here?  What is your goal?  To debate your position?  To listen to others?  To find out how you can better debate your position by listening to others? 

 I think that might be what Maragon was asking.  What do you want to accomplish?  If its to learn and throw out your thoughts on things great.  If your goal is to come here and preach and try to grab some converts, I think you might be barking up the wrong tree (tho from it sounds like you generally don't do that as we would have to be elected anyways..)

See I thought it was the voters who put the leader in office. I mean, since people have free will, God can't choose for them who they vote for right? Oh well. More fool me. Incidentally there have been a fair few non-religious presidents George Washington wasn't religious nor was Thomas Jefferson (not a president I know, but a founding father). Also why would God choose a leader for one society whose constitution puts him out of power (i.e. The Separation of Church and State) but not do for other societies whose constitutions do the same.

Also, why would God put that bumbling idiot Mr Bush in power. He's clearly got a below average IQ! I'm glad my couontry has a slightly lesser idiot in power. In fact even this idiot has pushed through a fair amount of welfare reforms.

This got lost in the minor flame war. Could I get a response?

Oh, I do. Many of my brethren can attest that I am quite the rebel, and refuse to submit to the will of "Man's Dogma".

I am not the most liked in the far right wing circle that I defected from.

1.  If you have no evidence, then again goes back to why are you here if you have no evidence and feel that there should need not be evidence.  This implies that you can't/won't really discuss God or religion because to you, if your elected its implied on that person and if not, that person is lost anyways.

2.   This relates to one.  If you can't debate on God because you have no evidence and have no wish to show any evidence on the idea, then this would imply if you were to stick around to discuss something other than religion as you don't want to debate that.  We have things on science and politics as well as other subjects on irrational beliefs so you could stick around for that.  

3.  This is of course your choice and not much we can do about it apparently other than not be honest.   

I have no evidence, and NO Christian EVER will. And I am leaving just as you suggested after I at least show the courtesy of getting to the end of the thread. 

There can never be evidence, I cannot change that fact. 

To discuss it here requires evidence, which will never be! Ergo, I am forced out of the loop. 

I no nothing of science, my politics are wierd, and generally, the consensus is that others would feel more comfortable with my departure.

Causing strife is not my goal, ergo the strife I cause has upset the balance of the community. You did fine before I was here, and will do even better after my departure.

My interests are that of Bible, theology, chess, and homeschooling. Not much room for that here seeing as my main interest can never be proven.

But I leave you with this....

If a Christian claims that they have physical/tangible evidence of the existence of God, take it from a Christian. They are lying. 

My fellow Christians think me far from it! 

Even Chrisitains are used as tools of Satan when they fall into temptation. My post on the debate is the case in point. My criticism of all 4 debating people (Which you folks still left out Ray & Kirk to this very minute) was quite the bad showing overall.

It was good enough for the Lord, it should be good enough for me. 

Oops. Did I say that?

You are correct. I am definately not what passes for a traditional theist. If you wish to discuss it outside of this forum, visit my myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/wavefreak58). I have no desire to discuss religious themes here. 

Then leave!

Way to be a xtian!  Way to be blind too!  Way to read!

And gently caress you too!

(kill them with kindness)

now you are trolling.... now i won't hold back.... you fuck off.. you are not welcome here...  i will ask the mods to remove you... you are not contributing  anything constructive...

leave already!  didn't you say you were?!  Just go!

:P 

The both of you need to stop this childish shit. It helps no one, makes you look stupid and wastes my time dealing with it when I could also be contributing something meaningful. Nevermind breaking rules of the boards but it certainly breaks the original request of not using ad hominems.

I apologize. I lost it for a minute. Though it was strangely libertating to be childish fo a minute. Is their a sandbox around here? I want to play ...

Sue me, Guy. I'd love to bring this issue out in a court on public record. My countersuit would take your offering plate to the cleaners.

Your comment of:

should be directed to the Department of Homeland Security in my opinion.

I took a screen shot of your blog post just in case you did the typical thing of deleting it after caught.

You may have repented to your alleged lord and saviour, but my forgiveness comes harder.

I've been relatively nice to people like you, Guy. Perhaps for too long. You're making it increasingly difficult to be kind and compassionate regardless of ideology. Your pleas for tolerance of your own beliefs while denigrating others is nothing short of hypocrisy.

Contrary to any preconceived notions of yours, we strive to be as tolerant of individual beliefs as possible. Ad hominems are personal insults directed at an individual that are baseless. Your own blog entry provided the basis for attacking you and your alleged beliefs.

Denial of actions attributed to the belief structure of christianity does not lessen the effect of those actions on other humans.

In a Calvinist mindset, you would never have made those insults in the first place if you were truly one of the 'elect' in my opinion. Thank you for providing another anecdotal flaw in Calvin's doctrine. Repentance has so little meaning when you believe that you are chosen already.

I won't stop trying to bring people to reasoned judgments regarding their beliefs until I'm dead. Perhaps one day, your cries will be for mercy and it will be me there helping you. I'll do it, but only because I'd hate myself if I didn't. Certainly not because of some delusional story in a book.

Have a nice fucking day.

That was arlready done by some boneheaded buddhists who thought they were teaching humanity a lesson. All they did was commit suicide. I could understand that if they were terminal. But damn, lighting yourself on fire as a demonstration? That is just as retarded as slaming a plane into a building.

I do hope most Buddhists and Muslims wont copycat stupidity like that. I might find their beliefs to be silly, but I certanly dont think killing yourself when you are not ill does anything but needlessly shorten your life.

Please dont light yourself on fire. I get enough stupid stories about violence in the news on all the networks 24/7 already.

Gizmo touched on this already but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in.  Please don't assume a role akin to moderator if you aren't one.  It's an unkind threat and very undesirable.  We have enough mods to oversee everyone, including all the theists.  We're constantly juggling free speech vs. trolling and determining who should stay.  If you really have the need to write something like that again, just send it to a mod, the public threat is uncool.