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Hey all, decided to post something thats been on my mind. not sure if this is where it belongs im sure someone might move it if this post isn't suppose to be here.

(I would like both christians and atheist to post what ever on here)

as one who is a believer in a God namely Christ - I have my doubts about whether or not I am doing something right or wrong. if I do one thing it seems as if I cause one group to be angered but if I do another the other group gets upset. honestly right now im dealing with part of the church calling me a idolizer rather than helping me out who supposely is "idolizing" they call me out and then they then leave me expecting me to find food on my own.

But, I think part of the reason why the jews didn't recognize Jesus for who he was is because they thought that he would come and be someone who enforces the law with power. though he does in the bible but not like what the pharisees thought.

I currently am finding out that (no matter if your a believer or not) anyone has the problem of breaking the law. I was pondering this: what if I some how became perfect on the out side that doesn't mean that the person in the inside is the same (dealing with my thoughts or feelings). recently been reading the bible(of course since im dealing with doubt, which I am fearful of doing since I don't want to miss read something out of contexts) I think God wants honesty rather than you being religious and everything else falls into place. you cant become a person unless your honest with yourself about being another person.

even in our human relationships it applies- wouldnt want a friend lieing to you unless that friend was doing it because he was trying to encourage you to keep trying but even still I think there is a way where you can encourage someone to keep tyring without the lie.  a relationship consist of two people working together (not trying to tell you how relationshps are suppose to be run) and if one isn't honest then the other isn't able to help. so yeah I think rewards come with honesty and that I see in some ways that atheist are doing - you guys arn't lieing about having doubt(if im using it in the right contexts) (hope im not flattering here. but its something I personally believe)

looking at it the harshes words Jesus ever said was towards the religious pharisees and not towards the sick. I believe its because the pharissess were the ones that were using that mask trying to be people that they weren't. instead of being honest and letting Jesus do what he said he would do which is change someones life(when it is time to change I think He changes someone) they were changing themselves into people who only changed there outside appearance and only looked at the law instead. I hope I havn't claimed the im perfect card just yet cause I am far from being that perfect.

but yeah. I think I said everything thats been on my mind and that I think needed to be said.

idk would like to know what you guys think personally.

"God didn't send us a doctrine to learn, or a religion to live, or a philosophy to debate. He sent us a brother to love, a madman to trust, a servant to serve, and a mystery to embrace." ~Steven James, STORY


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There's a lot of things that

There's a lot of things that Jesus taught that we agree with.
I also think that a good God would want honesty but that God that many Christians preach about tends to place obedience
as more important.

"Do as I say or burn in hell."

There is another thing I noticed in your post that reminds me of my main problem with Christianity. You seemed to be very guilt ridden. You seemed to think that you were likely doing something wrong and didn't know what, that you are trying to justify being yourself. Christianity teaches us that we are sinful and inherently 'bad' no matter how hard we try. It looks at our natural human nature and says "that's wrong, perverse and evil."
We are told of all the things we do that offend God without us realising and that it is all our fault.

Ofcourse, we only have to accept Jesus to be saved but do you see what they did there? They said that you have to accept their myth to be a person, that until you follow their dogma you have no worth and fill you with guilt for just being your human self.
Not that all Christians think that way but it is the basis around most Christian theologies.


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Strafio wrote: There is

Strafio wrote:

There is another thing I noticed in your post that reminds me of my main problem with Christianity. You seemed to be very guilt ridden. You seemed to think that you were likely doing something wrong and didn't know what, that you are trying to justify being yourself. Christianity teaches us that we are sinful and inherently 'bad' no matter how hard we try. It looks at our natural human nature and says "that's wrong, perverse and evil."
We are told of all the things we do that offend God without us realising and that it is all our fault.

Ofcourse, we only have to accept Jesus to be saved but do you see what they did there? They said that you have to accept their myth to be a person, that until you follow their dogma you have no worth and fill you with guilt for just being your human self.
Not that all Christians think that way but it is the basis around most Christian theologies.

The main point of Christian philosophy is this: there is a perfect God, all-powerful and all-knowing.  God created you, so you owe him your life.  You are not all-powerful and all-knowing.  You are not perfect through sin, rebellion from God.  So why should God let you come up and sit next to him in Heaven, a traitor in his eyes.  Answer: he shouldn't.  But he will anyways, and by accepting His grace, you shall be saved.

I hope that when the world comes to an end I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.


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xamination wrote: The main

xamination wrote:

The main point of Christian philosophy is this: there is a perfect God, all-powerful and all-knowing.  God created you, so you owe him your life.  You are not all-powerful and all-knowing.  You are not perfect through sin, rebellion from God.  So why should God let you come up and sit next to him in Heaven, a traitor in his eyes.  Answer: he shouldn't.  But he will anyways, and by accepting His grace, you shall be saved.

The inherrent flaw is that this is a disgustingly immoral view on reality. Noone ever blames the clock for being broken. They blame the manufacturer. If god created us, then god created us the way we are. God can't then expect us to be other than what we were created as. Therefore the only traitor is god, for turning on his creation, even though he knew exactly what he was doing and what was going to happen when he created the creation in the first place. Any act of evil created by man is gods responsibility, since god created the man.

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Vastet wrote: The

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The inherrent flaw is that this is a disgustingly immoral view on reality. Noone ever blames the clock for being broken. They blame the manufacturer. If god created us, then god created us the way we are. God can't then expect us to be other than what we were created as. Therefore the only traitor is god, for turning on his creation, even though he knew exactly what he was doing and what was going to happen when he created the creation in the first place. Any act of evil created by man is gods responsibility, since god created the man.


yeah, I think I know what your saying. I like to view God, if there is one, as one who though he is perfect of course knowing everything before we commit the act - any act whether good or bad.  that he is with you making you perfect and he that he is not indifferent or far away ready to judge. I think that understanding that God is the one who created me and you the way we are which is imperfect for a reason I guess kind of praises him. idk thats just my faith that I've been building alone.  realizing that yeah im a sinner(or imperfect) but that is me and nothing can change that unless God wants to change it. 

"God didn't send us a doctrine to learn, or a religion to live, or a philosophy to debate. He sent us a brother to love, a madman to trust, a servant to serve, and a mystery to embrace." ~Steven James, STORY