we accept your challenge
Offline hey everyone.....i go to liberty university. this past wednesday night one of our campus pastors, Ergun Caner, had a message where he talked about and directly to the RRS about the blasphemy challenge. everyone needs to see this video. here is the link......
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/liberty/cpo/campuschurch/20070207_cc_ec.wvx
[MOD EDIT: OUR LETTER TO ERGUN CANER.
Our challenge is to speak with us on our show, we can give you the same fairness decried to us in your video. No edits. Furthermore nobody from Liberty has properly contacted us, get us a phone number for Ergun Caner. We will not travel to Liberty, I know Dawkins wont either, maybe call Sam. Brian Flemming has re-issued a challenge to take Caner on one on one in a moderated discussion on our show. Furthermore we would talk with Caner, Falwell, and one more on our show with our whole team. Challenge accepted, now make it happen as if you really want to do this and have the big bosses actually contact us.]
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Christ created the universe.
I think it was the holy spirit, not christ.
Then again, maybe it was the Elohim.
No wait, Yahweh did it.
REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Lies! It was me.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
When you say Christ created the Universe, I have to ask, 'how'? Did Christ start tapdancing and the Universe came out of his slappin' shoes? Did Christ masturbate and the Universe is made of holy jism?
When you say something like "Christ created the Universe", that is begging the question unless you can also explain what it is you mean by 'create'. To 'create' implies that there was something that you made something out of the surroundings. So, what preexisted the Universe so that it could be 'created'?
The statement 'Christ created the Universe' is sorely lacking and pathetic. It is an attempt to end the discussion by saying something of such extreme ignorance that you hope others will just give up and walk away. It's ok for you to get some paint on your shoes - come out of the corner you're in.
Seriously, wtf?
"Like Fingerpainting 101, gimme no credit for having class; one thumb on the pulse of the nation, one thumb in your girlfriend's ass; written on, written off, some calling me a joke, I don't think that I'm a sellout but I do enjoy Coke."
-BHG
Well, he spoke it into existence.
pby can't actually give a real answer though. He/she hasn't even responded to our points about age of the universe.
A different poster asked me who I stated the Creator to be...I responded to her specific question by answering that Christ was the Creator of the universe (as stated in John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16). It was not an attempt to end the discussion, as you incorrectly stated...It was a specific response to a specific question.
Create means to speak into existence.
"Christ created the universe."
Still waiting for you to prove it, or even make sense of it. Did he create it with his hands, or machines? Or did he just think it into existence? How can he even do that without a brain? Or does Christ have a brain? What's it made out of? Where did it come from? If it existed before the universe, where did it exist?
See, I not only do have a brain, I use it. If Christians did that, they wouldn't be Christians any more.
Obviously it was the Great Cosmic Moose. I'm sick of your lies, Vastet. the Great Cosmic Moose will surely send you to the Dark, Foodless Forest of Nasty Insects. You blaspheme at your peril!
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
Christ was powerful enough to create the universe but his dad needed to raise him from the dead?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Ok, so if your claimed being has the ability to be all powerful, then by that sentence he could say, "All humans will from now on(from this nanosecond on) will have the ability to shoot lazer beams out of their eyes".
The only thing that has been created by merely speeking without evidence is credulity. It is why people fall for 3-card monteys and buy used cars because the salesmen seems nice.
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Yea, that makes sense. Dad/me/son/me/dad/me being separate but the same and not separate at the same time. Add a little "faith" to that and I could sell you a toxic waste dump and convince you it is beach front property.
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Evil heretic. I've been living in that forest for years! Your moose is not great. The Panda rules all, with his disciple and son The Beaver!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Hail the Beaver!
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
Oh shit, you got a girl too! Girls are like the backbone of religious movements! I thought I had the upper hand.
But you will be destroyed, nonetheless: you and your monochromatic-furred ilk.
...
Strangely, you've included the beaver, which ... actually muddies things a bit. The beaver is the same colour as the Great Cosmic Moose. Common ground might weaken the resolve of this religious war.
Someone find me some apologists! I need a reason to hate the beaver.
(Easily the most ridiculous thing I've ever written. Ever.)
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
Aha! You cannot deny The Son, The Beaver! Your apologetics will confirm its authenticity as the Divine Daughter!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Wait so are you saying that the Beaver is both the divine Son and Daughter at the same time? Does it have to be male in order to be female too? If so I think you have me sold but before I dedicate myself I'd like to see what logical fallicies the moose can pull off.
*sits back and waits*
I am not certain about who or what may have created the universe or why we are here; perhaps it was the Moose, perhaps it was the Panda and the Beaver. Perhaps it was both, or neither.
What I do know is that, every afternoon, the Ice Cream Truck drives by and bring me mint chocolatey joy, and I cannot believe that a universe with such Haagen-Dazs wonders was not brought about with no purpose.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
Not divine son, just The Son. Only daughters can be Divine. The beaver represents both as the epitomy of human kind. The Panda is sexless, as only a sexless creator could create everything.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Ah, but the Great Moose is responsible for ice cream.
Behold the Great Moose's Prayer for Ice Cream as evidence:
O Ice Cream,
Thou art Delicious and Holy in Thine Ways;
Thou art a gift from Cows, worshipped in India,
For it is so Fucking Hot there that they are in Great Need
Of your Divine Taste Sensation.
Seriously, I don't even know how you could live in India
It's way too hot for a moose.
But so Great is the Power of Ice Cream
That it might distract you from the Insane Heat
Of that cursed mooseless portion of The Globe.
All shall sing Your Praises for Eternity.
In the name of The Moose,
Amen.
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
Ice Cream.
Chucklehead over there has some sort of Son/Daughter thing going on, and we've got Ice Cream.
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence
Ha! The heretics don't even have the same quality of supplies that The Beaver provides! We have cake! And we let you eat it too!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
I don't know of any other way to deal with this other than Full-Scale Religious War
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
fabulae! nil satis firmi video quam ob rem accipere hunc mi expediat metum. - Terence